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#941 MabusIncarnate

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:20 PM

We can go back and forth about Jarnkrok all we want, but the fact is no one knows how good or bad of a trade this was for at least another 3-4 years and we can actually see what Jarnkrok does at an NHL level. 

 

Smith was supposed to be a future top 2 defender for us. Cory Cross was drafted 1st round 1st overall. A lot of times guys just don't work out, sometimes they do. It's very difficult to debate about a player's unknown future when it is so far off and no one here is psychic. 


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:06 PM

According to some people Poille looks as stupid as Garth Snow for letting go very good player Legwand for injury prone bottom liner Eaves,future bottom liner Jarnkrok and a pick :confused:



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:23 PM

According to some people Poille looks as stupid as Garth Snow for letting go very good player Legwand for injury prone bottom liner Eaves,future bottom liner Jarnkrok and a pick :confused:


Legwand didn't want to re-sign with them

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:34 PM

According to some people Poille looks as stupid as Garth Snow for letting go very good player Legwand for injury prone bottom liner Eaves,future bottom liner Jarnkrok and a pick :confused:

 

He really only let him go for 20 games though. 

 

To get a prospect, a decent bottom sixer and potentially a 2nd round pick for those 20 games seems pretty good to me.  Especially since I think Legwand had a NTC and could pick where he would go. 



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:34 PM

Legwand didn't want to re-sign with them

David legwand did not ask to be traded,he wanted to play in nashville,but the preds weren't gonna offer him a contract,so instead of letting him walking in the offseason,like suter did and got nothing for him,They decided to trade legwand,he had other offers from other teams,but detroit is where he wanted to go,so the preds found a way to get him to detroit



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

David legwand did not ask to be traded,he wanted to play in nashville,but the preds weren't gonna offer him a contract,so instead of letting him walking in the offseason,like suter did and got nothing for him,They decided to trade legwand,he had other offers from other teams,but detroit is where he wanted to go,so the preds found a way to get him to detroit

 

That bodes well for his chances of re-signing with Detroit. 



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:39 PM

David legwand did not ask to be traded,he wanted to play in nashville,but the preds weren't gonna offer him a contract,so instead of letting him walking in the offseason,like suter did and got nothing for him,They decided to trade legwand,he had other offers from other teams,but detroit is where he wanted to go,so the preds found a way to get him to detroit

 

I believe you, but out of curiosity why weren't they offering Legwand a contract? 

 

He's 33 and still probably has a few good years in him, is a career Predator (wasn't he their first ever draft pick?)  and was their leading scorer at the time of the trade.  

 

Seems like the kind of player you'd want to offer at least a 2 or 3 year deal to. 



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:51 PM

 

I believe you, but out of curiosity why weren't they offering Legwand a contract? 

 

He's 33 and still probably has a few good years in him, is a career Predator (wasn't he their first ever draft pick?)  and was their leading scorer at the time of the trade.  

 

Seems like the kind of player you'd want to offer at least a 2 or 3 year deal to. 

They wanted to get younger and save some money.  Even if he took less money, they'd still have to pay him $4 mil or so.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

 

He really only let him go for 20 games though. 

 

To get a prospect, a decent bottom sixer and potentially a 2nd round pick for those 20 games seems pretty good to me.  Especially since I think Legwand had a NTC and could pick where he would go. 

I was sarcastic though.Good moves by Poille.Swapped Erat for Forsberg then Legwand for Jarnkrok ;)



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 06:14 PM

I was sarcastic though.Good moves by Poille.Swapped Erat for Forsberg then Legwand for Jarnkrok ;)

 

excuse me if i do not understand, but how were you being sarcastic, you either heard that people were saying that about Poile, or you made it up, and I have not heard anyone calling Poile dumb yet... not sure if you understand sarcasm or...


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what you said was not sarcasm, rather just a weirdly made up non fact, a sarcastic way of saying it would have been, man I bet Nashville fans wish Poile had gotten them the deal Holland got us, or some other parting shot like that

 

EDIT: Grammar 


Edited by Euro_Twins, 08 March 2014 - 06:15 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 06:15 PM

On the difficulties of starting fresh with a new team for traded players [Backhand Shelf]

 

Makes you really appreciate what Legwand did last night. Guy's played his whole NHL career with one team, one coach, one system. He gets traded to a very different thing in the Red Wings and it takes him all of one game to figure s*** out and be a force.

 

Also. Been sniffing around the Preds community. Seems a number of fans feel Trotz doesn't understand how to utilize high-end, top-six forwards. Like Legwand. Maybe instead of a 2C good for 40+ points, he's actually a 1C good for 50+ points.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:15 PM

On the difficulties of starting fresh with a new team for traded players [Backhand Shelf]
 
Makes you really appreciate what Legwand did last night. Guy's played his whole NHL career with one team, one coach, one system. He gets traded to a very different thing in the Red Wings and it takes him all of one game to figure s*** out and be a force.
 
Also. Been sniffing around the Preds community. Seems a number of fans feel Trotz doesn't understand how to utilize high-end, top-six forwards. Like Legwand. Maybe instead of a 2C good for 40+ points, he's actually a 1C good for 50+ points.


He's currently on pace for 54 I believe

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:31 PM

He's currently on pace for 54 I believe


And people say he's a 3rd liner at best? I'd say fourth line...

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:59 PM

 

excuse me if i do not understand, but how were you being sarcastic, you either heard that people were saying that about Poile, or you made it up, and I have not heard anyone calling Poile dumb yet... not sure if you understand sarcasm or...


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what you said was not sarcasm, rather just a weirdly made up non fact, a sarcastic way of saying it would have been, man I bet Nashville fans wish Poile had gotten them the deal Holland got us, or some other parting shot like that

 

EDIT: Grammar 

So basically,you have problem with one of my (non)sarcastic post,but you don't mind listening,hearing,reading one spin after another first from Ken and then from some ppl here how our top,Hank like prospect,turned into expendable bottom liner just over night.

 

I respect your choice,really do(not being sarcastic nor ironic)



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:23 PM

And people say he's a 3rd liner at best? I'd say fourth line...

 

Legwand still may ultimately end up centering the third line if Pav and Weiss ever come back, this season or if Legwand sticks around. Not that he is a third line quality center (though, I would say second is more appropriate than first), but that's where he might be slotted given the Red Wings depth up the middle. Playing with Mule and Gus doesn't hurt his cause right now either. 


Edited by GoWings1905, 08 March 2014 - 08:23 PM.

 
 
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:26 PM

 
Legwand still may ultimately end up centering the third line if Pav and Weiss ever come back, this season or if Legwand sticks around. Not that he is a third line quality center (though, I would say second is more appropriate than first), but that's where he might be slotted given the Red Wings depth up the middle. Playing with Mule and Gus doesn't hurt his cause right now either. 


Definitely a 2nd liner. Good insurance for if Weiss does completely bust on us

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:41 PM

He's topped 50 before. I'm just talking his approximate average. Actually, I don't even want to be that specific. My point was simply that David Legwand the Red Wing may be > David Legwand the Predator. Maybe he's got another level that he could never really hit as a Pred, given their system and such. Some Preds fans certainly think so.

 

Consider Flip. He was good for us, but the Bolts seem to be a better fit for him. Actually, maybe that's a bad example, since the implicit understanding in what I'm saying is what Barry Melrose (of all people!) has often said: wearing the Winged Wheel brings out the best in players (except Quincey).


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

So basically,you have problem with one of my (non)sarcastic post,but you don't mind listening,hearing,reading one spin after another first from Ken and then from some ppl here how our top,Hank like prospect,turned into expendable bottom liner just over night.
 
I respect your choice,really do(not being sarcastic nor ironic)


You made a post saying everyone was unhappy, then said later it was sarcasm. It made no sense, I was trying to show you the difference. Didn't mean anything by it.

Jarnkrok was promising but he's also 22 already and hasn't really shown his potential at all. I wish him the best but too many guys already ahead of him. If it came down to sheahan or jarnkrok I would take sheahan any day.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:58 PM

This is the first time for me chiming in on this trade.

While it was far from glamorous, I think it was an alright deal. People are calling it a "panic" move. It wasn't. It was a move to fill a massive hole at center on a team ravaged by injuries in a dog fight to make the playoffs. If Holland had done nothing, most of us would be losing our minds.

I liked Jarnkrok as prospect. I defended the s*** out of him in the "Dirty Harry" Callahan thread a while back. But the fact is, right now, the Wings have too many B-B+ prospects. Make no mistake, that's what Jarnkrok was. They could afford to make this deal.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:00 PM

Not true, I knew you were going to say that.

 

It's very difficult to debate about a player's unknown future when it is so far off and no one here is psychic


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