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#1141 Euro_Twins

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:10 AM

I fixed my post lol ... Iron hook?

Ok never mind your right he didn't help win the Calder cup but he still played with nyquist jurco sheahan and was familiar with them not like he'd come to detroit and lack having any chemistry with the kids in my mind

I think he would of been more than fine here ... And he plays a 2 way game like legwand does


In English jarnkrok translates to iron hook.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:12 AM

In English jarnkrok translates to iron hook.


Ha ... Thx didn't know that

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:14 AM


It's definetly a sign of things to come ... I was being pissed ...now I just want him to be star , it'll make us think twice next time we think of giving away a top prospect for nothing


He was on a major hot streak in the AHL too at the point where he was traded - like 19 points in 16 games. I will always see this as a panic move by Holland to try to make the playoffs. You'd think after Sheahan, Nyquist, Tatar all came up and played very well and produced he would have had faith in the farm system and that a high end player like Jarnkrok could pan out too. Now we have nothing at C in GR. To add insult to injury - Calle is a RH C which we haven't had in so long in our Top 6. 



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:37 AM

I don't think the problem with guys like Bert and Cleary is their desire...they're just done physically.  Legwand's lack of effort on Vanek's deflection probably cost us a point against Montreal the other night.  You're playing in your home town, the team is fighting for a playoff spot and you don't have a contract for next year and that's the effort you provide?

 

In Holland's defense...He knew what he had in Jarnkrok, he knows what  he has in guys like Janmark, Nestrasil (playing C in GR, has 17pts in his last 14 games) and Athanasiou (playing LW this year, can play C)  so he might regard our depth at C differently than the fans.



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 11:23 AM

 
Settle down he isn't going anywhere.
 
 
And without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot. You have to give up something to get something back.


Without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot?!?!?! Based on what?! Did Jarnkrok had a chance to prove that he can play in the NHL?!

Kenny's trade proposals are just awful:
Nyquist, Mantha and Smith for Edler... anyone?!

Kids who can play pretty well (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan) are kept in GR... why?

Legwand, a 3rd C is our savior??? Give me a break...
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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:17 PM

Without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot?!?!?! Based on what?! Did Jarnkrok had a chance to prove that he can play in the NHL?!

Kenny's trade proposals are just awful:
Nyquist, Mantha and Smith for Edler... anyone?!

Kids who can play pretty well (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan) are kept in GR... why?

Legwand, a 3rd C is our savior??? Give me a break...

My true beef is that Kenny said we wouldn't trade our youth at the deadline and especially wouldn't be acquiring a rental...


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:54 PM

My beef with Holland and this trade is the same, first he mentioned we aren't going after rentals NOR trading youth and then he goes out and does exactly that. I don't know how thrilled or happy Legwand is but he for sure doesn't show the type of effort people were expecting/hoping to get out of him constantly. This team is fighting for their playoff hopes with a fantastic kid line but the vets need to support them, kids can't do it all alone.

 

My second beef is the way this team is build: there are too many europeans and not enough hardworking NA guys andd I truly believe having more good ol michigan kids would help getting the fanbase excited and more "into it" again. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Tatar, Nyquist but I think the make up of the team should be a bit more NA styled COUPLED with highly skilled euros. Mantha, Sheahan, Dekeyser are good starts. The best Wings teams always had a good mixture of NA guys mixed with some highly talented euros. So I'd rather use Athansiou, Janmark and Marchenko as trade chips in order to get a solid top 4 pairing guy.

 

Its so hard these days finding and enjoying local clubs with local kids, my hometown team is a good example we are still good at it but having way too many foreigners on our roster and our league is just bush league compared to the NHL powerhouse.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:56 PM

Without that trade we would not be in a playoff spot?!?!?! Based on what?! Did Jarnkrok had a chance to prove that he can play in the NHL?!

Kenny's trade proposals are just awful:
Nyquist, Mantha and Smith for Edler... anyone?!

Kids who can play pretty well (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco and Sheahan) are kept in GR... why?

Legwand, a 3rd C is our savior??? Give me a break...

 

 

You don't get good players for Ferraro, Callahan, Miller, and a 3rd, which is all a lot of the people screaming to make a trade want to give up.  Legwand has been the Pred's best forward pretty much his entire career, and is at worst a second line center.  Jarnkrok is a 22 year old prospect who the guys who constantly evaluate their prospects and monitor them far more closely and accurately than anyone outside of the organization, much less a random fan posting on a message board, were comfortable trading for Legwand.  This reminds me of the rants we heard every time Matthias or any other prospect the Wings gave up had a good game, until a couple years passed and people realized oh, he's not as good as we thought he'd be.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:57 PM

 

 

You don't get good players for Ferraro, Callahan, Miller, and a 3rd, which is all a lot of the people screaming to make a trade want to give up.  Legwand has been the Pred's best forward pretty much his entire career, and is at worst a second line center.  Jarnkrok is a 22 year old prospect who the guys who constantly evaluate their prospects and monitor them far more closely and accurately than anyone outside of the organization, much less a random fan posting on a message board, were comfortable trading for Legwand.  This reminds me of the rants we heard every time Matthias or any other prospect the Wings gave up had a good game, until a couple years passed and people realized oh, he's not as good as we thought he'd be.

 

This is still different Jarnkrok wa the only prospect with top 6 center potential, nobody said something like that about Mathias.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:05 PM

maybe this was the deal to help Kenny aquire Weber in a trade? well just a thought lol


i still say that we have the russian kid lined up to come over.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:07 PM

maybe this was the deal to help Kenny aquire Weber in a trade? well just a thought lol


i still say that we have the russian kid lined up to come over.

 

Great and if he doesn't get his way he is back to the KHL...yxeah a real upgrade on Jarnkrok..


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:12 PM

 

This is still different Jarnkrok wa the only prospect with top 6 center potential, nobody said something like that about Mathias.

 

Yes they did.  

 

Matthias, meanwhile, was ranked the 12th-best prospect in the world by The Hockey News in the magazine’s Future Watch publication in March.

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I remember people losing their minds over that trade, just like they're losing their minds over Jarnkrok.  Just because he was their best center prospect, that doesn't mean he was truly a legit top line center, and the odds are a lot higher that he's going to be a 40 point a year guy than a guy who's going to come in and come close to a point a game.

 

Let me reiterate that the Wings have employees whose main job is to evaluate their own prospects.  I don't care how many good things they've said about the kid in the press, they say good things about every prospect.  The fact that they were willing to trade him for Legwand tells me that they weren't nearly as high on him as a lot of the fans are.  If they were, they could have moved anyone of a number of other kids instead of him.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:16 PM

 

Yes they did.  

 

 

 

I remember people losing their minds over that trade, just like they're losing their minds over Jarnkrok.  Just because he was their best center prospect, that doesn't mean he was truly a legit top line center, and the odds are a lot higher that he's going to be a 40 point a year guy than a guy who's going to come in and come close to a point a game.

 

Let me reiterate that the Wings have employees whose main job is to evaluate their own prospects.  I don't care how many good things they've said about the kid in the press, they say good things about every prospect.  The fact that they were willing to trade him for Legwand tells me that they weren't nearly as high on him as a lot of the fans are.  If they were, they could have moved anyone of a number of other kids instead of him.

 

I get what you are trying to say I really do but you know desperate times are calling for desperate actions and once desperation is getting the best out of you...rational thinking takes a backseat. Holland himself said their goal was trying to get defensive help or do nothing but then further injuries happened and Wings had to change their plans.

 

It is what is now but I will say this, I PRAY Jarnkrok becomes a star so a mistake like that won't happen twice.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:24 PM

 

I get what you are trying to say I really do but you know desperate times are calling for desperate actions and once desperation is getting the best out of you...rational thinking takes a backseat. Holland himself said their goal was trying to get defensive help or do nothing but then further injuries happened and Wings had to change their plans.

 

It is what is now but I will say this, I PRAY Jarnkrok becomes a star so a mistake like that won't happen twice.

 

 

The problem with your argument is that you're starting with it's a mistake, because "GOOD PROSPECT."  If he doesn't develop into a top line player, it's not a mistake, it was selling a guy the team cooled on while his value was at its peak.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:27 PM

Maybe Jarnkrok can score a GWG tonight and "help out his old team" by keeping the Caps on the outside looking in.

 

btw: So over this trade.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:31 PM

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My second beef is the way this team is build: there are too many europeans and not enough hardworking NA guys andd I truly believe having more good ol michigan kids would help getting the fanbase excited and more "into it" /quote]

Michigan boys like Legwand?

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:51 PM

 

I get what you are trying to say I really do but you know desperate times are calling for desperate actions and once desperation is getting the best out of you...rational thinking takes a backseat. Holland himself said their goal was trying to get defensive help or do nothing but then further injuries happened and Wings had to change their plans.

 

It is what is now but I will say this, I PRAY Jarnkrok becomes a star so a mistake like that won't happen twice.

Yeah, it was a desperate situation. Fighting for a playoff spot, Weiss having a setback, losing Datsyuk and Helm (and uncertain if any of the three would be back healthy this year), plus Zetterberg already out for the year, plus Franzen just coming back, and it was our last chance to add anything. 

 

And you are suggesting that the "logical" thought in that situation is play yet another kid with no NHL experience (and not exactly lighting up the AHL) rather than a proven performer who had 40 points already this year.

 

The desperation likely contributed to the overpayment. Good job by Poile to recognize he had us in a bad spot and take advantage. However, given how well Sheahan has done, as well as Glendening looking like a quality 4th-liner, and all the other good looking prospects we have, I'd say we could afford it. Jarnkrok had one more year of waiver exemption. We have Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, and Glendening as center options for 3+ years. Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and maybe Mantha in the same time frame as Jarnkrok. Then add several 4th line/reserve options. There wasn't much of an opportunity here for him. Even had we kept him it would have cost someone else an opportunity. 

 

Regardless of whether Jarnkrok becomes a top line player, or even a bona fide star, making the trade was a solid decision. And good decisions are as important as results. You shouldn't judge everything based on hindsight and speculation. We'll never know if we could have done the trade without including Jarnkrok so there's no point in speculating. What we do know is we had an immediate need and more "future potential" than we have spots for. You trade from strength to address a weakness, and that's exactly what we did. How it works out is also important, of course, but just not the only important factor.



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:58 PM



Michigan boys like Legwand?

 

 Well yeah  but in their prime or prospects :-)

 

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You trade from strength to address a weakness, and that's exactly what we did. How it works out is also important, of course, but just not the only important factor.

 

Thats why I've wanted defense :-)


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:05 PM

This thread is still going? My god...

 

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 03:25 PM

[quote name="frankgrimes" post="2503524" timestamp="1396209500"]

 
 Well yeah  but in their prime or prospects :-)
 
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You trade from strength to address a weakness, and that's exactly what we did. How it works out is also important, of course, but just not the only important factor.
 
Thats why I've wanted defense :-)[/quote]

Yeah, I think he'll look better when we (if we ever do) have a full roster. I'm ok with the trade, as hard as it is to lose a good prospect.

And for the record I hope Jarnkrok is a super star, that'll give me that much more confidence in our drafting.





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