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#21 Internet.Unknown

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:48 PM

 

Yeah, and you're pretty short sighted to not see that once the Blackhawks started to play the Wings seriously it was over. After game 4 the the Wings scored 5 goals in 3 games, it wasn't as close as people like to pretend it was.

 

Cute! I must have hit a nerve.

 

Did I say anything about the Hawks being the better team? Nope. They were and it played out that way. What I did say was that the Wings took them to a seven game series. It was exciting. It was fun. It was playoff hockey.

 

I'll take 14 thrilling postseason games over an earlier trip to the draft day podium every year.

 

Meanwhile, the Detroit Lions would be happy to have another "fan" who wants their team to lose in the hopes of acquiring a higher draft pick.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:49 PM

 
Yeah, and you're pretty short sighted to not see that once the Blackhawks started to play the Wings seriously it was over. After game 4 the the Wings scored 5 goals in 3 games, it wasn't as close as people like to pretend it was.


Yeah play them seriously ey? What they weren't trying when they lost back to back one goal games....
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#23 Shaman

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:51 PM

 

Cute! I must have hit a nerve.

 

Did I say anything about the Hawks being the better team? Nope. They were and it played out that way. What I did say was that the Wings took them to a seven game series. It was exciting. It was fun. It was playoff hockey.

 

I'll take 14 thrilling postseason games over an earlier trip to the draft day podium every year.

 

Meanwhile, the Detroit Lions would be happy to have another "fan" who wants their team to lose in the hopes of acquiring a higher draft pick.

 

Yep, and in order to sell a few more beers, a few playoff tickets, the wings have jeopardized their future. On top of that they are not in a better position to win the Cups as they still haven't fixed their defense. Sorry if a meaningless streak is less important to me than the long term viability of the Wings as a team that that could win the Stanley Cup. 


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#24 Internet.Unknown

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:52 PM

Okay, again in the NHL over 50% of the teams make the playoffs. 

 

To give you an idea how easy it is lets compare it to the NFL and MLB

 

In the MLB there are 30 teams, 8 make the playoffs. Percent of teams that make it any given year: 26%

 

In the NFL there are 32 teams, 12 teams make the playoffs. Percent of teams that make it any given year: 37.5

 

In the NHL has 30 teams, 16 make the playoffs. Percent of teams that make it any given year: 53%

 

 

Not really as big a deal compared to other leagues, now is it? 

 

You're doing a lot of google research but missing the point. No team has ever made the playoffs for 30 years in a row, the NHL included. The Wings are 7 years away. Doesn't matter if "over 50% of the teams make the playoffs." It matters that no team has ever done it. No in any sport. Not in the history of the world.

 

Keep rooting for your team to lose, though, that's what true fans do.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:52 PM

 
Cute! I must have hit a nerve.
 
Did I say anything about the Hawks being the better team? Nope. They were and it played out that way. What I did say was that the Wings took them to a seven game series. It was exciting. It was fun. It was playoff hockey.
 
I'll take 14 thrilling postseason games over an earlier trip to the draft day podium every year.
 
Meanwhile, the Detroit Lions would be happy to have another "fan" who wants their team to lose in the hopes of acquiring a higher draft pick.


It's these arm chair GM wannabes that want us to tank. I'm happy the franchise has a commitment to make the playoffs. It's called a winning environment and we're not trying to take any short cuts to success

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:53 PM

Future>Past... get the lotto pick imo



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:55 PM

Go watch the NBA if you want to see teams just give up on the season for high draft picks. You'll have 40 percent of the league hoping to lose

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:57 PM

It's these arm chair GM wannabes that want us to tank. I'm happy the franchise has a commitment to make the playoffs. It's called a winning environment and we're not trying to take any short cuts to success

Commitment to winning or commitment to being mediocre, same difference it seems.

 

I want this team to commit to winning a Stanley Cup. Barely making the playoffs every year and then not going anywhere isn't success in my mind. And if the team can't realisitically compete for a cup that season, I want the team to put itself in a position to compete for it in the future. If that means cutting some veterans and letting the youth get a chance to learn the NHL game, so be it. If that means that a streak is sacrificed so the team doesn't throw away picks and prospects for bandaides, so be it. This move by Holland does not make this team a Cup contender, it makes it first round fodder, and it makes it a less viable team in the near future as well.  


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#29 DickieDunn

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:09 PM

Jarnkrok is a kid. He would not have made an impact next year. Or the year after. Maybe in 3 years. Unless he pulls a Ryno and runs home or never develops. So much angst for a prospect who may or may not be good. How many "can't miss" prospects have we seen not come close to their potential over the years? Jarnkrok isn't even can't miss.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:12 PM

When fully healthy and operational:

 

Zetty- Datsyuk- Bertuzzi (This line was amazing at the start of the year)

Franzen- Weiss- Alfie (I truly think this line will get it together and when Weiss comes back from injury, I think this will be the line until Pavs and Hank are back)

Nyquist- Legwand- Tatar (I think this would be a fantastic 3rd line... 2 kids who have chemistry together and a solid veteran)

Abby- Helm- Sheahan/Miller

 

Say what you want, but that team can totally compete against the Boston Bruins and Penguins. All we have to do is get into the playoffs and our team, when healthy, can make anything possible.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:16 PM

When fully healthy and operational:

 

Zetty- Datsyuk- Bertuzzi (This line was amazing at the start of the year)

Franzen- Weiss- Alfie (I truly think this line will get it together and when Weiss comes back from injury, I think this will be the line until Pavs and Hank are back)

Nyquist- Legwand- Tatar (I think this would be a fantastic 3rd line... 2 kids who have chemistry together and a solid veteran)

Abby- Helm- Sheahan/Miller

 

Say what you want, but that team can totally compete against the Boston Bruins and Penguins. All we have to do is get into the playoffs and our team, when healthy, can make anything possible.

 

Yeah until you look at the defense and the goaltending. Honestly, outside of Kronwall, and at times Ericcson, the defense has been bad this season. Dekeyser and Smith are both young, and in a few years will be able to step to top 4 roles, but right now both are just not quite there. Kyle Quinecy and Kindl both need to be dropped as soon as possible. Boston and Pittsburgh would have a field day against this D.


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#32 barabbas16

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

Commitment to winning or commitment to being mediocre, same difference it seems.

 

I want this team to commit to winning a Stanley Cup. Barely making the playoffs every year and then not going anywhere isn't success in my mind. And if the team can't realisitically compete for a cup that season, I want the team to put itself in a position to compete for it in the future. If that means cutting some veterans and letting the youth get a chance to learn the NHL game, so be it. If that means that a streak is sacrificed so the team doesn't throw away picks and prospects for bandaides, so be it. This move by Holland does not make this team a Cup contender, it makes it first round fodder, and it makes it a less viable team in the near future as well.  

 

Yes, I think we fully understand your line of thinking.  A commitment to losing now is a commitment to winning later.  And, you think that automatically will turn Detroit into the new Pittsburgh and Chicago.  The main problems that I have with that are that (as has been pointed out to you already), top draft picks do not always lead to Stanley Cups or even general success.  There are more examples of teams that drafted high for multiple seasons and it didn't work out that well for them than the other.  And, I don't think losing purposefully for any reason is respectable and I can not and will not buy into it.  I don't root for my team to lose - that's what fans of the other teams do.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:38 PM

 

Yes, I think we fully understand your line of thinking.  A commitment to losing now is a commitment to winning later.  And, you think that automatically will turn Detroit into the new Pittsburgh and Chicago.  The main problems that I have with that are that (as has been pointed out to you already), top draft picks do not always lead to Stanley Cups or even general success.  There are more examples of teams that drafted high for multiple seasons and it didn't work out that well for them than the other.  And, I don't think losing purposefully for any reason is respectable and I can not and will not buy into it.  I don't root for my team to lose - that's what fans of the other teams do.

You obviously don't understand my line of thinking.


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:51 PM

Last year we made a playoff push because we had Datsyuk and Zetterberg to lead the team at the end.  

 

This year, we have David Legwand and Joakim Andersson to lead us to..............................


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

You obviously don't understand my line of thinking.

 

So, you didn't say that you'd rather see the Wings finish dead last than 7th-10th?

 

And, that doesn't qualify as wanting the Wings to lose?


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#36 Shaman

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:05 PM

 

So, you didn't say that you'd rather see the Wings finish dead last than 7th-10th?

 

And, that's not wanting the Wings to lose?

I'd rather see a clear plan and not half measures. The current plan is purely half measures, not wanting to either do what it takes to compete for a cup nor actually put the effort into a real rebuild. And to be honest I think that it will cause it to take more years to do it this halfassed way than it would to actually commit to a rebuild.


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#37 barabbas16

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:31 PM

I'd rather see a clear plan and not half measures. The current plan is purely half measures, not wanting to either do what it takes to compete for a cup nor actually put the effort into a real rebuild. And to be honest I think that it will cause it to take more years to do it this halfassed way than it would to actually commit to a rebuild.

 

I guess I've been still holding out that this 'rebuild on the fly' deal that they're been trying to pull off would work out.  It would be way more awesome if they were able to retool the lineup and get back into Cup contention without missing the playoffs.  It seemed like it was going pretty well until they ran into all of these injuries this season and last.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:45 PM

 

Yeah, and you're pretty short sighted to not see that once the Blackhawks started to play the Wings seriously it was over. After game 4 the the Wings scored 5 goals in 3 games, it wasn't as close as people like to pretend it was.

Really can't get much closer than OT in game 7. Regardless of what would have happened if Chicago (or Anaheim) had played their best the whole series, or how easily they might have had it had they been more "serious", the fact is we were one shot away from beating them. One lucky bounce, one good snipe, one little mistake from them...

 

Commitment to winning or commitment to being mediocre, same difference it seems.

 

I want this team to commit to winning a Stanley Cup. Barely making the playoffs every year and then not going anywhere isn't success in my mind. And if the team can't realisitically compete for a cup that season, I want the team to put itself in a position to compete for it in the future. If that means cutting some veterans and letting the youth get a chance to learn the NHL game, so be it. If that means that a streak is sacrificed so the team doesn't throw away picks and prospects for bandaides, so be it. This move by Holland does not make this team a Cup contender, it makes it first round fodder, and it makes it a less viable team in the near future as well.  

False dilemma. Realistically, this trade probably means next to nothing in regards to our future.

 

We were desperate for an NHL center. We got one. Maybe at a steep price, depending on what Jarnkrok does. It may or may not help in the short term, May or may not create other options in the future. Most likely it doesn't make much difference to anything.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 09:51 PM

We have a pretty darn good NHL center in Legwand. Yeah we gave up Jarnkrock to get him, but c'mon ya have to give something to get something. He can step in and hold the fort until Pav or Helm or Weiss gets back going. I really think this team will compete in the playoffs of healthy. These last 21 will also show us how good Bab's really is. If he can take this rag tag bunch of misfit toys and get into the playoffs, how is he not coach of the year?!!!!
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:06 PM

I'd rather make the playoffs.  You can't win the cup if you don't make the playoffs.  It's a small but important step. 







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