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#21 superstarsingh

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:17 AM

IMO i think we need a puck mover, so yes a point guy, but even a corvo or zidlicky type guy would be good. I expect Kindl Smith to take steps forward next year

While Zidlicky is a good defenseman, seeing him this week kind of makes me uneasy of him ever being a Red Wing. He was all over the place in a negative kind of way. He was caught out of position many times due to bad pinching decisions. I do not believe he is what this team needs. Fayne on the other hand could help our defensive core...just as long as Quincey goes.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:34 AM

Dekeyser is not RHed, he is a lefty. That is why Fayne makes a ton of sense. with Fayne being 27 and Dekeyser being 24? they should be a good pair for 7 or 8 years.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

List all defensemen better than Kronwall. Aaaaaaaand go.

 

Since you asked.....

Hjalmersson

Keith

Seabrook

Suter

Weber

Shattinkirk

Pietrangelo

Fowler?

Doughty

OEL

Yandle?

J Johnson

McDonagh

Girardi

martin?

Orpik

Letang-pre stroke

Carlsson

Chara

Subban

karlsson

Hedman

Gudas

Phanenf

 

Now some are clear cut and some it is personnel preferences-better on O or on D. But of those 24, they only one that Kronwall would be able to bring back in a trade by himself is Letang due to his stroke. Now in some cases the talent is close and age/contract becomes a bigger factor. But yes, that is 24 guys of the top-(ok it took me 5 mins) that are feel are better than Kronwall. A year from now the list will change again as older players decline and young guys develop. Bogo could move ahead, Dekeyser will move ahead, Braun with SJ, etc....

 

Biggest issue however is, none of these guys are available.


Edited by Richdg, 08 March 2014 - 09:15 AM.


#24 Nevermind

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:36 AM

 

Since you asked.....

Hjalmersson--No

Keith--Yes

Seabrook--No, not offensively

Suter--Yes

Weber--Yes

Shattinkirk--No

Pietrangelo--Yes

Fowler?--Not yet

Doughty--Yes, but not defensively

OEL--Not yet

Yandle?--No, not defensively

J Johnson--No, no hockey sense at all

McDonagh--Comparable

Girardi--No, not offensively

martin?--No, not offensively

Orpik--Hell no

Letang-pre stroke--No, fourth forward

Carlsson--Not yet

Chara--Yes

Subban--Yes, but not defensively

karlsson--Yes, but not defensively

Hedman--No

Gudas--No way hahahahahah

Phanenf--No, ask a Leafs fan

 

But yes, that is 24 guys of the top-(ok it took me 5 mins) that are feel are better than Kronwall.

 

Different doesn't necessarily mean better.


Edited by Nevermind, 08 March 2014 - 10:40 AM.


#25 Nev

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

Too many people say "number 1 defenceman" when they actually mean Franchise Defenceman.  And you've got fingers to spare if you start counting those guys.


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#26 Richdg

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:46 AM

 

Different doesn't necessarily mean better.

True. Many have different talents.  Some better at scoring others better at prevention. The point was, NONE ARE AVAILABLE. The rest is personnel opinions. After another year, there is a good chance that Kronwall isn't even the best Dman on our team.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:04 PM

 

Different doesn't necessarily mean better.

 

Doughty is as good or better than Kronwall defensively. 

 

 

As for Dmen to bring in, I'd be interested in Matt Greene.  Big physical defensive defenseman who's not afraid to drop the gloves when necessary, right handed, Michigan guy.  His contract is up this season.  He's been a healthy scratch a few times under Sutter so he may have soured on that relationship a bit.  

 

He had concussion problems in January though and I think an upper body injury, so I'm not totally sure where his health is at right now.   He's also pretty slow, which will only get worse with age.  But if he can be had for a decent price it could help bring some experience to the blueline. 



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:13 PM

Not for five years. I don't want any defenseman for more than two years unless they're exceptionally good. We already have Kronwall and Ericsson, Dekeyser probably, Smith possibly. Even Kindl signed for three more years. Then we have five (six if you want to count Nedomlel) kids who come due after two more years, plus Almquist this summer.

 

Go after a vet stopgap or two, for one or two years, leave at least a couple spots for the kids. There will always be other UFAs if we have a hole to fill.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:54 PM

 

Doughty is as good or better than Kronwall defensively. 

 

 

As for Dmen to bring in, I'd be interested in Matt Greene.  Big physical defensive defenseman who's not afraid to drop the gloves when necessary, right handed, Michigan guy.  His contract is up this season.  He's been a healthy scratch a few times under Sutter so he may have soured on that relationship a bit.  

 

He had concussion problems in January though and I think an upper body injury, so I'm not totally sure where his health is at right now.   He's also pretty slow, which will only get worse with age.  But if he can be had for a decent price it could help bring some experience to the blueline. 

 

Yeah, but I think Doughty plays better when paired with a solid defensive type, like Vlasic in the Olympics. Even Kronwall makes mistakes, but I still think he's a bit more consistent than Doughty.

 

I wouldn't want Matt Greene though. He's a 3rd pairing guy and would get caught up in a glut of defenseman here (Smith, Kindl, Lashoff, Almquist, etc.) He's more solid defensively than any of our kids, but doesn't have enough upside to stay in the lineup IMO.

 

We need a true top 4 type to join Kronwall, Ericsson, and DeKeyser. Basically we need D-man much better than Quincey to take his spot. That should be the main priority as I think all the kids will essentially fight for the bottom 2 spots.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:06 PM

 

Yeah, but I think Doughty plays better when paired with a solid defensive type, like Vlasic in the Olympics. Even Kronwall makes mistakes, but I still think he's a bit more consistent than Doughty.

 

I wouldn't want Matt Greene though. He's a 3rd pairing guy and would get caught up in a glut of defenseman here (Smith, Kindl, Lashoff, Almquist, etc.) He's more solid defensively than any of our kids, but doesn't have enough upside to stay in the lineup IMO.

 

We need a true top 4 type to join Kronwall, Ericsson, and DeKeyser. Basically we need D-man much better than Quincey to take his spot. That should be the main priority as I think all the kids will essentially fight for the bottom 2 spots.

 

I agree about Doughty.  When paired with a more defensive guy he's able to jump into plays and is a more dynamic player.  Often when his production dips it's because he's without someone like Willie Mitchell to be paired with, so he has to play more conservatively. 

 

All good points regarding Greene. I'm probably biased because I've always liked the way he plays.  He's an old school "ram you facefirst into the glass over and over as you hold the puck along the boards" kind of player.    The Wings could use more of that.  Though Lashoff could potentially be a Matt Greene type player anyway.  I keep forgetting he's only 23.  

 

A more consistent Quincey-like player would make a big difference.  Kindl is a plug at this point who only warrants icetime if there's injuries.  Unfortunately he's a plug they signed until 2017, but I wish they'd cut bait with the guy and give his icetime to players that still have some hope of developing (Smith, Lashoff, Almquist).



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:50 PM

A more consistent Quincey-like player would make a big difference.  Kindl is a plug at this point who only warrants icetime if there's injuries.  Unfortunately he's a plug they signed until 2017, but I wish they'd cut bait with the guy and give his icetime to players that still have some hope of developing (Smith, Lashoff, Almquist).

 

I want no part of a Quincey-like player. :hehe:

 

But yeah, it'd be great if a better player took his role on the team. Kindl looked so emotionless out there in his first game back. It almost seems like he doesn't even care about being in the lineup when he's making nearly $10 million over the next 4 years. If he doesn't get his act together, I do hope we trade him.

 

Next year, I hope we have:

 

Kronwall--Ericsson

DeKeyser--UFA/Trade

Smith--Lashoff

Almquist (and maybe a cheap, solid veteran for injuries/depth)

 

Who we pair with DeKeyser clearly makes or breaks the whole defensive corps. Hopefully it's someone who can comfortably play on the top pair with Kronwall as well.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:19 PM

HS, yes greene would also be a good pick up. In fact lets dream a little and sign Fayne and Greene. That would give us the following BL corp:

 

E-Kronwall

Dekeyser-Fayne

Lashoff-Greene

Almqvist

 

Not bad. But maybe more important, this would free up Smith and Kindl for trades to improve the F group.







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