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#61 number9

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 02:53 AM

Rich, I was so fond of discussing +/- with you, why do you ignore our counter points? Do you really believe E is better than Kronwall?

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 08:06 AM

Another game and another -2 for Kronwall. He was on the ice for our goal, so defensively he was -3 last night. Which is the point. He is average to below average as a defender. No it is not all on him, but we also have to be realistic. He is best served as a 2nd pair Dman. Of course that means we need a new top pair....



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 09:01 AM

Another game and another -2 for Kronwall. He was on the ice for our goal, so defensively he was -3 last night. Which is the point. He is average to below average as a defender. No it is not all on him, but we also have to be realistic. He is best served as a 2nd pair Dman. Of course that means we need a new top pair....

DeKeyser and Lashoff were even last night, guess they shoulda been our top pair eh rich?

EDIT: a little light reading for you, http://www.washingto...n-be-deceiving/ and http://blogs.edmonto...lus-minus-stat/

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 09:24 AM

Another game and another -2 for Kronwall. He was on the ice for our goal, so defensively he was -3 last night. Which is the point. He is average to below average as a defender. No it is not all on him, but we also have to be realistic. He is best served as a 2nd pair Dman. Of course that means we need a new top pair....

 

He wasn't a -3 defensively last night.  The Wings goal was on the PP, so Kronwall doesn't get a +1 for that.

 

Furthermore if you had actually watched the game you'd know that Kronwall wasn't a factor in any of the goals against.  The first one he was on the ice for, Abby got confused out at the point and covered the wrong guy, leaving Keith wide open.  Then Kronner's second -1 was a result of Mule screwing up at the point on the PP, leading to a shorthanded goal.

 

There may be an argument for Kronwall not being a number one D man, but plus minus isn't it.  Especially when you're incorrect about how it works. 



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

I did watch the game, he was bad. But, as I said it wasn't all his fault. Was very clear about that. The point in all of this is, while kronwall is pretty good with the puck, he can't handle other teams top scoring lines. In the end, that is what true #1 or top pair Dmen are supposed to do.

As for the others mentioned, yes Dekeyser is our best defensive Dman, and he is only going to get better. As he does that he may very well become part of our top pair, which is GREAT for us.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:36 PM

Dekeyser still makes a lot of mistakes.  When he continues to make the same mistakes next year, although probably not as often, people will start ragging on him because he isn't new and shiny anymore.  When Ouellet and Sproul and Marchenko are called up, they will get a similar grace period before people start saying that they're terrible.  It's just what fans do.  The new and unknown is always better than what they've already seen.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:54 AM

I did watch the game, he was bad. But, as I said it wasn't all his fault. Was very clear about that. The point in all of this is, while kronwall is pretty good with the puck, he can't handle other teams top scoring lines. In the end, that is what true #1 or top pair Dmen are supposed to do.
As for the others mentioned, yes Dekeyser is our best defensive Dman, and he is only going to get better. As he does that he may very well become part of our top pair, which is GREAT for us.


And what was so bad about his game? As Harold pointed out, none of the goals were his fault, and he wasn't "minus 3" as you suggested. Kronwall IMO is particularly good at D. Rarely do you see D zone mistakes from him.





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