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#41 matt198913

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:19 AM

He's been great lately other than that one mess up. I really feel he's the dman with the most upside. If he can just keep himself from being stupid he would be an outstanding defenseman.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 10:52 AM

PP should be

Kronwall - Smith
Quincey - Kindl

PK should be

Kronwall - Ericsson
Quincey - DeKeyser

Yeah I put on Q on both units, I don't share LGW's overblown hate from him.

Completely agree.
He plays tough minutes, he makes some dumb mistakes, but its bound to happen playing that many minutes.
I'm not a huge fan of his cap hit, but he's clearly the whipping boy of lgw.

All in all, there is better #4 d men out there, but theres also a lot worse.

As for smith.
I think he should be playing forward, but it developing defensemen takes a lot longer then forwards, we need to be patient.

#43 wings87

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 11:09 AM

This ret*ard has been banished to the third pairing (where he belongs) and he still can't make a decent pass against bottom six talent on a s***ty team.  I honestly can't believe the people complaining about how he needs more PP time/How his game is negatively influenced by Quincey.  I'll give a nice hefty back slap to the person who starts the "Poor Brian Lashoff, having to Play with Smith" thread. 

 

As always, he'll get get better.  But god knows why so many people make excuses for this dips***...oh wait...he occasionally (but rarely) fights guys.  Durrrr....

 

Smith will make a stupid pass and take at least one stupid penalty most games, but Kronwall has made some stupid mistakes over the years and yet we have a thread that discusses how great he is (and he is one of the top defenders in the NHL). I remember the uproar when E signed his contract a few years back, but since then he has been our best defenseman not named Kronwall. Just to be clear I'm not comparing Smith to Kronwall or E, but the fact remains that if Smith is put into situations that fit his skills he should improve. Smith is not a great defender but he does have offensive skills that have been underutilized, our PP is a mess and if Smith gets some time on it--it won't be the end of the world it might even help.   


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:32 PM

 

Smith will make a stupid pass and take at least one stupid penalty most games, but Kronwall has made some stupid mistakes over the years and yet we have a thread that discusses how great he is (and he is one of the top defenders in the NHL). I remember the uproar when E signed his contract a few years back, but since then he has been our best defenseman not named Kronwall. Just to be clear I'm not comparing Smith to Kronwall or E, but the fact remains that if Smith is put into situations that fit his skills he should improve. Smith is not a great defender but he does have offensive skills that have been underutilized, our PP is a mess and if Smith gets some time on it--it won't be the end of the world it might even help.   

 

Why not change the entire structure of the team for Brendan?  Hell, if he only got offensive zone starts, and played on the first pair, and had PP time, and were allowed to pinch whenever he wanted, he'd put up WAY more points than he has.  Nevermind whether he's earned any of that, or what the other guys on the team need for their development/success.  F*ck them, lets get Brendan some numbers!

 

On this team, with this coach, you earn your time by playing the right way.  Brendan doesn't...that's why he's not on the PP.

 

Edit:  I'm not going to dwell on this too much, but saying "I'm not comparing Smith to Kronwall and E" right after you compare them, doesn't actually mean you aren't comparing them.  It just means you're aware that it's tenuous. 


Edited by kipwinger, 16 March 2014 - 12:35 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:21 PM

 

Why not change the entire structure of the team for Brendan?  Hell, if he only got offensive zone starts, and played on the first pair, and had PP time, and were allowed to pinch whenever he wanted, he'd put up WAY more points than he has.  Nevermind whether he's earned any of that, or what the other guys on the team need for their development/success.  F*ck them, lets get Brendan some numbers!

 

On this team, with this coach, you earn your time by playing the right way.  Brendan doesn't...that's why he's not on the PP.

 

Edit:  I'm not going to dwell on this too much, but saying "I'm not comparing Smith to Kronwall and E" right after you compare them, doesn't actually mean you aren't comparing them.  It just means you're aware that it's tenuous. 

 

To be fair there might have been a small comparison to them as players but mostly I'm comparing the fan reaction to them. 

 

As far earning playing time, give me a break. What has Quincey done to deserve all of his playing time? How is Abby more deserving, especially with all the injuries, to play on the 1st line ahead of Alfie? The only guy that sucked that deserved all his playing time was Cleary. 

 

Not saying Babs need to change the entiref****** system, but come on did you watch the PP last game? It was af****** disaster, how is trying Smith on the PP could make it any worse? 


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:34 PM

Kronwall makes tons of mistakes, many of them boneheaded. But he makes up for it by being our best defenseman and one of the 20ish best defensemen in the league. You're getting a fair amount of bad, but you're also getting oceans of good.

 

Smith, you're mostly just getting bad. Well, that's not fair. He plays the game well. But is it anything that your average third-pairing defenseman couldn't give us?

 

Hopefully he grows into a good top-four defenseman who puts up enough points to make whatever mistakes he makes acceptable. He's got about a year to do that.


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:06 AM

 

To be fair there might have been a small comparison to them as players but mostly I'm comparing the fan reaction to them. 

 

As far earning playing time, give me a break. What has Quincey done to deserve all of his playing time? How is Abby more deserving, especially with all the injuries, to play on the 1st line ahead of Alfie? The only guy that sucked that deserved all his playing time was Cleary. 

 

Not saying Babs need to change the entiref****** system, but come on did you watch the PP last game? It was af****** disaster, how is trying Smith on the PP could make it any worse? 

 

I realize that around here it's customary to bash Quincey for the fun of it, but he's WAY better than Brendan Smith.  Way better.  The fact that he actually plays defense is a big reason why.  Brendan hasn't quite figured out that the word "defense" in his position isn't simply a coincidence. 

 

Secondly, Abby isn't on the first line...Nyquist-Legwand-Franzen is the first line.  But even if he were, it would prove my point.  To earn time on this team you need to play a responsible 200 ft. game.  Abby does.  Brendan doesn't.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 10:41 AM

 

I realize that around here it's customary to bash Quincey for the fun of it, but he's WAY better than Brendan Smith.  Way better.  The fact that he actually plays defense is a big reason why.  Brendan hasn't quite figured out that the word "defense" in his position isn't simply a coincidence. 

 

Secondly, Abby isn't on the first line...Nyquist-Legwand-Franzen is the first line.  But even if he were, it would prove my point.  To earn time on this team you need to play a responsible 200 ft. game.  Abby does.  Brendan doesn't.

 

 

 

So, after playing for 17 years in Ottawa and having a good first half of the season Alfie doesn't deserve to play on the first or second lines? Or should Emmerton be on the first line instead of Legwand, since he has been here longer?

 

I know you watch the games and have seen the embarrassment that our power play has become, how can trying Smith on it make it any worse? He makes dumb plays and takes stupid penalties (although lately the penalties have stopped) but I've never seen him hot dog it on the ice. I'll even take it one step further, how is it that E (who has a decent shot) has not at least been given a chance on the power play. Hasn't he deserved to at least get a look? E had 0 PP time last game. 

 

I'll buy what your selling, but with all the injuries this is the perfect time to give a chance to a kid who the Wings for so high on just a couple years go, and if not Smith at least give E a chance. 


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 11:53 AM

 

So, after playing for 17 years in Ottawa and having a good first half of the season Alfie doesn't deserve to play on the first or second lines? Or should Emmerton be on the first line instead of Legwand, since he has been here longer?

 

I know you watch the games and have seen the embarrassment that our power play has become, how can trying Smith on it make it any worse? He makes dumb plays and takes stupid penalties (although lately the penalties have stopped) but I've never seen him hot dog it on the ice. I'll even take it one step further, how is it that E (who has a decent shot) has not at least been given a chance on the power play. Hasn't he deserved to at least get a look? E had 0 PP time last game. 

 

I'll buy what your selling, but with all the injuries this is the perfect time to give a chance to a kid who the Wings for so high on just a couple years go, and if not Smith at least give E a chance. 

 

Honestly. Would you trust Smith on the back end of a PP? IMO that's a short-handed goal deathwish right now.

 

Other guys (DeKeyser, for example) might not have as much offensive punch, but Babcock trusts them to not have melt-downs with the puck.  


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:18 PM

 

Honestly. Would you trust Smith on the back end of a PP? IMO that's a short-handed goal deathwish right now.

 

Other guys (DeKeyser, for example) might not have as much offensive punch, but Babcock trusts them to not have melt-downs with the puck.  

 

Do I have concerns about his D? Absolutely, but the power play is lifeless, I would welcome any changes at this point. And if trying Smith on the power play is not in the cards now, when everyone is injured, then when? I don't think he'll ever be a sure handed D-man but he might provide some offensive support which may be his only way of helping this team. If Babs doesn't think Smith can help offensively, and we know he can't help defensively, then Smith should have a seat in the press box and let someone else play. Recall Almquist or Ouellet and try them out, if Smith is not the future then with less then 20 games left he shouldn't be the present either.

 

I like that DD gets power play time but I wish that E would also get a chance. He has shown that he can be trusted with the puck and E does have a decent shot. 


Edited by wings87, 17 March 2014 - 12:23 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:54 PM

 

So, after playing for 17 years in Ottawa and having a good first half of the season Alfie doesn't deserve to play on the first or second lines? Or should Emmerton be on the first line instead of Legwand, since he has been here longer?

 

I know you watch the games and have seen the embarrassment that our power play has become, how can trying Smith on it make it any worse? He makes dumb plays and takes stupid penalties (although lately the penalties have stopped) but I've never seen him hot dog it on the ice. I'll even take it one step further, how is it that E (who has a decent shot) has not at least been given a chance on the power play. Hasn't he deserved to at least get a look? E had 0 PP time last game. 

 

I'll buy what your selling, but with all the injuries this is the perfect time to give a chance to a kid who the Wings for so high on just a couple years go, and if not Smith at least give E a chance. 

 

Ok, one at a time.  Nowhere, at all, did I ever say that Alfie didn't deserve to be in the top six.  But in your first post you didn't say top six, you said top line.  Also, Neither Alfie or Abby should be on the top line given the fact that Franzen and Nyquist are our two best scoring wingers and they're both healthy.  But if we're talking about the whole top six now, its not surprising that Babs has Abby in the top six given that he values defensively responsible guys.   

 

Secondly, I agree our PP is terrible.  But given that our powerplay is terrible, and throughout the season Babs has preferred Kindl, Eaves, Samuelsson, and just about everyone else to Smith (or E) on the point, doesn't that tell you something about how good he is there?  Or whether the coach feels he's earned a spot?  Now, I'm open to the idea that Babs is just being a big ol' bully and trying to hold Smith back, but probably it's just that he either a) doesn't trust him, or b) Smith isn't good on the PP. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

 

Ok, one at a time.  Nowhere, at all, did I ever say that Alfie didn't deserve to be in the top six.  But in your first post you didn't say top six, you said top line.  Also, Neither Alfie or Abby should be on the top line given the fact that Franzen and Nyquist are our two best scoring wingers and they're both healthy.  But if we're talking about the whole top six now, its not surprising that Babs has Abby in the top six given that he values defensively responsible guys.   

 

Secondly, I agree our PP is terrible.  But given that our powerplay is terrible, and throughout the season Babs has preferred Kindl, Eaves, Samuelsson, and just about everyone else to Smith (or E) on the point, doesn't that tell you something about how good he is there?  Or whether the coach feels he's earned a spot?  Now, I'm open to the idea that Babs is just being a big ol' bully and trying to hold Smith back, but probably it's just that he either a) doesn't trust him, or b) Smith isn't good on the PP. 

 

Hey, look at that we agree on something for a change. Babs doesn't trust Smith, its evident and annoying at the same time; given the fact that he kept running Sammy out their on the PP. Babs is used to working with veterans, but with the team full of youngsters he needs to learn to go more on faith and less on trust. Just think how long it took him to give Tatar a chance. Babs needs to be a little quicker on the uptake, and tweak whats about to break and not what until its already broken.  

I can't judge Smith on the PP since I've never seen him on it, all I'm saying is that: what we have obviously doesn't work. And if Babs genuinely thinks that Smith can't be relied on in any facet of the game, the Wings need to bring someone else up and try them out. 


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:49 PM

Once this season is officially burned I have a feeling Mr. Smith will get a lot of garbage time.

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:55 PM

 
I realize that around here it's customary to bash Quincey for the fun of it, but he's WAY better than Brendan Smith.  Way better.  The fact that he actually plays defense is a big reason why.  Brendan hasn't quite figured out that the word "defense" in his position isn't simply a coincidence. 
 
Secondly, Abby isn't on the first line...Nyquist-Legwand-Franzen is the first line.  But even if he were, it would prove my point.  To earn time on this team you need to play a responsible 200 ft. game.  Abby does.  Brendan doesn't.


Ya Quincey IS SO MUCH better. So much better that his only hit of the game took smith and himself out of the play and hossa had an easy goal.




And you guys are worried about giving up short handed goals? Hell out pp(Franzen). All ready is so what's it matter?

Trying new things when something isn't work IS WHAT A GOOD COACH WOULD DO. You don't keep trying the same god damn thing if it isn't working.

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:49 AM

For those of you who've been saying Smith should play at forward (which I think is a terrible idea), maybe you'll get your wish??  :blink:
 

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Abdelkader (lower body injury) not skating today. Bertuzzi is skating. Oddly, Smith is wearing white jersey, skating with bottom 6 forwards.

 



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:26 AM

smith is indeed practicing as a LW per Khan. Does anyone else have a weirdly good feeling about this?



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:31 AM

smith is indeed practicing as a LW per Khan. Does anyone else have a weirdly good feeling about this?

 

How could you not feel better knowing that Smith won't be relied upon to defend National Hockey League forwards anymore?  Though I am a bit afraid of how many turnovers he'll have now that passing will be required of him more often. 


Edited by kipwinger, 18 March 2014 - 10:42 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

 

How could you not feel better knowing that Smith won't be relied upon to defend National Hockey League forwards anymore?  Though I am a bit afraid of how many turnovers he'll have no that passing will be required of him more often. 

I think his brother should give him a call and let brendan know what its like to meet and/or exceed expectations.. Looking forward to seeing smitty on the forecheck tho, being his first game at forward id like to see him playing the body tn as much as possible. 



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:00 AM

Lining up at forward tonight? I can't say it is such a bad thing.

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:04 AM

Lining up at forward tonight? I can't say it is such a bad thing.

 

Like I said, have you seen him pass?  It might well be a bad thing.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 






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