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#61 kipwinger

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:53 AM

Yes that Federov. The one that disappeared for weeks at a time, showed no heart in 25% of the games he played. The guy that might have been the second most talented hockey player in terms of natural talent all time, that pouted around and didn't care much of the time. Yes that Fedorov. The guy that we brought Liranov in to motivate, that Fedorov. It is amazing how soon people forget who and what he was and the hockey worlds take on him.

 

You weren't talking about his attitude.  You said he didn't play defense.  That's just not accurate.  Now you're trying to change your tune and make it about his attitude or motivation or something.  I'd agree with what you said about Shanny or a young Stevie Y not playing defense.  But  Fedorov was one of the most talented two way forwards in the history of the game and his defensive skills have never been criticized by anyone (other than you).  I don't know what else he'd need to do defensively if you aren't convinced by the two Selke Trophies or the fact that he actually played defenseman for three different National Hockey League teams. 


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#62 Richdg

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:07 AM

Here is a nice old story about how Stevie and fedorov learned to play D and the enigma that was fedorov. Of course it is from the lier MA but what the heck.

 

http://mitchalbom.co...ped-hockey-star


 

You weren't talking about his attitude.  You said he didn't play defense.  That's just not accurate.  Now you're trying to change your tune and make it about his attitude or motivation or something.  I'd agree with what you said about Shanny or a young Stevie Y not playing defense.  But  Fedorov was one of the most talented two way forwards in the history of the game and his defensive skills have never been criticized by anyone (other than you).  I don't know what else he'd need to do defensively if you aren't convinced by the two Selke Trophies or the fact that he actually played defenseman for three different National Hockey League teams. 

No I didn't, but with the way I wrote it I can see how you thought I said that. Fedorov was either on and giving effort in every part of the game or he was off and should have been left in the locker room. He played D and O when HE wanted to.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:41 PM

http://prohockeytalk...it-on-the-play/

 

“It is what it is,” said the Capitals’ captain, per CSN Washington. “He’s the head coach. I get the blame for it. In that moment I think everybody quit on the play.”

 

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#64 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:44 PM

 

I understand why they did it from a marketing perspective, but from a team perspective it was a big mistake to name Ovechkin captain.  He'd be better served being able to be a loose cannon and not have to worry about answering for or leading the team.  Then it's at least more of a sideshow instead of the main event. 

 

After being singled out for quitting on the play (which he absolutely did), his response is to say everyone quit.  He's a joke of a captain.  Maybe try leading by example OV?



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 02:06 PM

I agree, harold.

 

What really amazes me about Washington is their total lack of quality veteran leadership. Guys who've been around the block, been deep in the playoffs, know what it takes to win. A roster that lacks true leadership and experience can very easily fall into the trap of self-delusion and denial and "shifting goal posts" (as Mike Gillis puts it) and such. I think that's largely what we're seeing in Washington. Who in that organization can really step up and call the team out without everyone thinking, "Wait, remind me how much you've won at the NHL level...? Oh, right - nothing." I mean, this may not be fair, but even Adam Oates - while truly a phenomenal player (and, ironically, one of the all-time great set-up men) - never won the Cup.


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#66 wings4thecup06

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 05:42 PM

I don't know where you can pin the Caps lack of success, but they sure as hell are a mess. I was really happy when Ovechkin started scoring loads again, as there's no greater sight than watching a true sniper bury the biscuit on a night to night basis. 

That said, I'm slowly losing my respect for AO, and this is another example. Personally, I believe you put in what you get out, and with Ovechkin, his lack of effort of D is really hurting. NOt only that, but his captaincy has appeared to be 'token' more than anything. He was clearly the only one who quit on that play, to then call out the rest of his team to cover his own rear end is a joke. This team is in a fight for their playoff lives, and the captain can't even take one for the team? 


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#67 Dabura

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:42 AM

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 11:45 AM

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#69 wings87

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 12:04 PM

The Caps should just swallow their pride and take the Captency away from Ovie. Give it to Backstrom.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

Alex Ovechkin of Capitals makes excuses [Allan Muir, SI.com]

 

It should have been a lay-up.

 

Meeting with the Washington media today for the first time since being called out for quitting on a play by his coach, Adam Oates, all Alex Ovechkin had to do was offer a note of remorse. Just the slightest hint that he grasped his culpability on a goal that snowballed into a crushing 5-0 loss to Dallas on Tuesday night.

 

Something simple, like this:

 

“You know what? Oatesy was right. My lack of hustle on that play was inexcusable and it cost us a goal. As the captain of this team, I have to hold myself to a higher standard. I owe that much to my teammates, my fans and the organization. I’ll never be a defensive wizard, but I can be better than I’ve shown. And I will be.”

 

Instead, Ovechkin offered this as an excuse:

 

“He’s the head coach and I get the blame from it, but in that moment I think everybody quit on the play.”

 

Ho. Lee. Sheet.

 

It's time to strip the C off Alex Ovechkin [Muir]
 

But new faces or even a new direction won’t be enough to cure what ails this organization.

 

Its culture needs a reboot.

 

And that starts with ripping the C off the sweater of captain Alex Ovechkin.

 

There are 70 million reasons why that’s the tough call — one for every dollar that remains on the contract that pays him $10 million per year through the 2020-21 season — not to mention that embarrassing your franchise player is a seriously risky move.

 

But there is one very compelling reason why the Capitals have to do it anyway. For all his charisma and once-in-a-generation scoring touch, Ovechkin has shown time and again that he’s just not cut out for the role of team leader.

 


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#71 wings87

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 01:27 PM

Ovie just can't stay at captain, if the Caps want to win.

Here's an interesting question: Not that I get the impression he wants to go back to Russia, but if the Caps strip the C from him; would he be embarrassed enough to want to go play in the KHL?

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 03:41 PM

Ovie just can't stay at captain, if the Caps want to win.

Here's an interesting question: Not that I get the impression he wants to go back to Russia, but if the Caps strip the C from him; would he be embarrassed enough to want to go play in the KHL?


He would most certainly demand a trade at the least. I can't see him not being Pissed.

#73 wings87

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 05:27 PM

He would most certainly demand a trade at the least. I can't see him not being Pissed.

 

I can't think of a team that would take him, his ego, and his contract in a trade. The only GM crazy enough to do it might be Snow. 


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#74 Dabura

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 06:28 PM

Bump him down to an A, give Backstrom the C. IMHO.


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#75 wings87

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:02 PM

Bump him down to an A, give Backstrom the C. IMHO.


But a lowercase a.

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#76 anthonyn66

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:13 PM

 

I can't think of a team that would take him, his ego, and his contract in a trade. The only GM crazy enough to do it might be Snow. 

 

There are definitely a lot more teams that would pull off a trade for him than not... elite goalscorer and the second most marketed player in the NHL...


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:42 PM

I really don't think he cares that much about the C.  If he did, his attitude would be much different.  A leader doesn't pass the buck and point fingers at everyone else.  Whether everyone else quit or not isn't the point.  The Captain has to step up and say this is on me.  When you lead, others follow.  His piss poor attitude is probably infecting the whole team. 



#78 wings87

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:54 PM

There are definitely a lot more teams that would pull off a trade for him than not... elite goalscorer and the second most marketed player in the NHL...


There are teams that would like him, but considering the cost to acquire him along with his cap hit; I don't think there are as many teams that could realistically make a trade for him.

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#79 frankgrimes

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 08:17 PM

There are definitely a lot more teams that would pull off a trade for him than not... elite goalscorer and the second most marketed player in the NHL...

There are teams that would like him, but considering the cost to acquire him along with his cap hit; I don't think there are as many teams that could realistically make a trade for him.


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#80 DeGraa55

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:52 PM

Guy will soon be Kovalchuk 2



I'm still hoping he wants to come back to nhl and wants to play with dats again after the Olympics.





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