Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Have the Wild Hit Their Ceiling?


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 Dabura

Dabura

    Everydayer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,011 posts
  • Location:In an octopus's garden

Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:08 PM

It recently occurred to me that the Wild, for all their big acquisitions, are basically where we are, at least far as the standings are concerned. Which is kinda crazy. I thought about maybe doing some research and number crunching and such, but I realized I didn't care enough. Thankfully, Adam Gretz exists:

 

The Minnesota Wild, the playoff bubble, and the importance of homegrown talent [Adam Gretz, SBNation]

 

chart_1__8_.jpg

 

Thoughts?

 

Did the Wild "do it the wrong way"? Are they doomed? Are we going to have the last laugh? Etc.


Edited by Dabura, 10 April 2014 - 12:38 PM.

Don't Toews me, bro!


#2 frankgrimes

frankgrimes

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,749 posts

Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:23 PM

If the Wings would still be playing in the West they'd be out of the playoffs picture. The Wild are fare away from hitting their celling Suter, Parise are in their prime Brodin, Granlund are two very promising young players and they are certainly going to add another big UFA this year...the Wild could become a scary team in a few years.


kftx.jpg

 

The Offseason of truth ...

Welcome to hockeytown Jonas aka Lundquist 2 Gustavsson!

blank cheque for The Captain or Jim Star Nil please..


#3 marcaractac

marcaractac

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,324 posts
  • Location:St. John's, newfoundland

Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:52 AM

If the Wings would still be playing in the West they'd be out of the playoffs picture. The Wild are fare away from hitting their celling Suter, Parise are in their prime Brodin, Granlund are two very promising young players and they are certainly going to add another big UFA this year...the Wild could become a scary team in a few years.

 

That's hard to say. There are also less teams in the West, which increases the odds of making it. You'd have to think the Wings would be able to hang with the likes of the Stars and Yotes for a wild card spot.



#4 rick zombo

rick zombo

    Grit

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,913 posts

Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:10 PM

If the Wings would still be playing in the West they'd be out of the playoffs picture. The Wild are fare away from hitting their celling Suter, Parise are in their prime Brodin, Granlund are two very promising young players and they are certainly going to add another big UFA this year...the Wild could become a scary team in a few years.

 

Or the NYRs of the West.


"In Detroit, every day is a good day to win"

#5 LeftWinger

LeftWinger

    42 years in Detroit! Time to spend the rest in paradise!

  • Silver Booster
  • 8,591 posts
  • Location:HART - MI

Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:37 PM

if the Wings were still in the west, they'd be in 8th place, the second wild card position. Hmmmm, not quite out of the playoff picture if you ask me. Wild have topped out, Suter regrets his decision. Starting next season, Wings will finish far ahead of them. Poor Suter, I hope your in-laws were worth it.


Don't Be Jealous, But I Live Here...

www.thinkdunes.com

 

Aww You Mad Bro? Are You Butt Hurt?


#6 martinezsvsu

martinezsvsu

    3rd Line Checker

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 441 posts

Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:43 PM

heatley sucks and the rest of those guys are not that old. they have some good young players so they will be good for a few more seasons.



#7 LeftWinger

LeftWinger

    42 years in Detroit! Time to spend the rest in paradise!

  • Silver Booster
  • 8,591 posts
  • Location:HART - MI

Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:44 PM

as a matter of fact, Wings only have one less ROW than the Wild. So, when you look at all the fanfare that came along with what the Wild were trying to do and considering the Wings were the Griffins for a big chunk of the year, ya, we're laughing way out loud!


Don't Be Jealous, But I Live Here...

www.thinkdunes.com

 

Aww You Mad Bro? Are You Butt Hurt?


#8 rick zombo

rick zombo

    Grit

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,913 posts

Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:56 PM

if the Wings were still in the west, they'd be in 8th place, the second wild card position. Hmmmm, not quite out of the playoff picture if you ask me. Wild have topped out, Suter regrets his decision. Starting next season, Wings will finish far ahead of them. Poor Suter, I hope your in-laws were worth it.

 

 

1. You can't transfer the Wings record to the West and put them ahead of Dallas. They played mostly Eastern Conference teams this season. The idea that they'd have the same record playing Chicago 4 times vs Buffalo is illogical.

 

2. They'd still be in ninth because Columbus would be in 8th, with Dallas in 10th. Know what I mean?

 

3. Who know what Suter is thinking? I sure don't. Did he say he regretted signing in Minny?


"In Detroit, every day is a good day to win"

#9 Dabura

Dabura

    Everydayer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,011 posts
  • Location:In an octopus's garden

Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:58 PM

Basically, the potential problem I'm seeing is that they've pushed all their chips into the middle for a veteran core. A forward's prime years are 25ish-30ish. Parise is 29. Koivu is 31. Pominville is 31. Moulson is 30. Vanek - since everyone's so sure he's headed to Minnesota - is 30. They have good young talent, but with all of their leaders having already played their best hockey, I'm kinda scratching my head here. To me, this looks like about a five-year window of opportunity, Cup-wise, and that's assuming they make some incredible progress in the ultra-tough West. Something in me says that's not at all what they were going for when they signed Suter and Parise and traded for Pominville and everyone said, "Oh s***, these guys are building the next Wings. They'll be competitive forever." (OK, maybe no one said that. But you get my point.)

 

You can say that we wouldn't make the playoffs in the Western Conference. (Personally, I think we would.) But how does that validate the Wild? We're in a transitional stage; just making the playoffs is a pretty big deal. The Wild? They want the Cup. Relative to their expectations, a first-round exit = abject failure.

 

I just find it weird. Like...this is it? This is the Minnesota Machine that everyone's been raving about? This is the team that's going to be a contender for years and years and years to come?


Don't Toews me, bro!


#10 joesuffP

joesuffP

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,927 posts

Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:57 PM

 
 
1. You can't transfer the Wings record to the West and put them ahead of Dallas. They played mostly Eastern Conference teams this season. The idea that they'd have the same record playing Chicago 4 times vs Buffalo is illogical.
 
2. They'd still be in ninth because Columbus would be in 8th, with Dallas in 10th. Know what I mean?
 
3. Who know what Suter is thinking? I sure don't. Did he say he regretted signing in Minny?


The wings are easily better then the west's bubble teams Dallas and Phoenix and probably better then the wild. We have terrible records against non playoff eastern teams and if we weren't a dumpster fire at the shootout we get at least another 7 points. Not to mention the injuries

#11 HadThomasVokounOnFortSt

HadThomasVokounOnFortSt

    Hi

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,067 posts
  • Location:Cloudy Town, Minnesota. 762.20 miles from the Joe Louis Arena

Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:00 PM

Living in Minnesota it's about all I can talk about with friends with very little talk about the Red Wings. I thought it was really funny after there clinching win Wild fans were damn near partying. I got slammed for saying I suppose you have to party when you will get another 1st round exit this year again. Some agreed, some disagreed. All year long fans have been calling for Mike Yeo to be fired. And I watch a lot of there games and I agree they won't go anywhere with him coaching. They still need someone who can score goals. 1st round exit for years to come!
hadthomasvokounonfortst.jpg
Follow me on Twitter: @W2G4U

#12 Shaman

Shaman

    Die hard Red Wing fan and realist.

  • Silver Booster
  • 3,840 posts
  • Location:Kalamazoo Michigan (WMU)

Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:57 PM

Basically, the potential problem I'm seeing is that they've pushed all their chips into the middle for a veteran core. A forward's prime years are 25ish-30ish. Parise is 29. Koivu is 31. Pominville is 31. Moulson is 30. Vanek - since everyone's so sure he's headed to Minnesota - is 30. They have good young talent, but with all of their leaders having already played their best hockey, I'm kinda scratching my head here. To me, this looks like about a five-year window of opportunity, Cup-wise, and that's assuming they make some incredible progress in the ultra-tough West. Something in me says that's not at all what they were going for when they signed Suter and Parise and traded for Pominville and everyone said, "Oh s***, these guys are building the next Wings. They'll be competitive forever." (OK, maybe no one said that. But you get my point.)

 

You can say that we wouldn't make the playoffs in the Western Conference. (Personally, I think we would.) But how does that validate the Wild? We're in a transitional stage; just making the playoffs is a pretty big deal. The Wild? They want the Cup. Relative to their expectations, a first-round exit = abject failure.

 

I just find it weird. Like...this is it? This is the Minnesota Machine that everyone's been raving about? This is the team that's going to be a contender for years and years and years to come?

The Wings are in the same boat, their forward core are all well past 30 and to say the Wings are in a transitional stage seems to fly in the face of facts. Going after Weiss and Legwand at the expense of youth is evidence Holland is in a win-now mode.


Edited by Shaman, 11 April 2014 - 11:59 PM.

Feuer und Wasser kommt nicht zusammen
Kann man nicht binden sind nicht verwandt
In Funken versunken steh ich in Flammen
und bin im Wasser verbrannt
Im Wasser verbrannt

#13 GoalieManPat

GoalieManPat

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,363 posts
  • Location:Swartz Creek, MI

Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:19 AM

Its amazing how quickly Heatley turned to s***. Only Cheechoo has had a more recently bad turn downhill.







Similar Topics Collapse

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users