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Well this is interesting. Apparently Campbell is not lovin' the Florida weather.

Everyone has been saying a puck moving D-man is what this team needs. I'm pretty sure that albatross of a contract will be ok with all cap room next year.

I'm a little afraid of signing anyone from Florida. Everyone whose come out of there recently has flopped. Weiss, Sammy, Booth

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....adding Campbell and Booth would seriously better our team. As long as there are more additions to bolster the team. By that, I don't mean re-signing Gustavsson or Cleary. I would love another hometown kid on this team and he has already played with Weiss and together they scored a great amount of points. I am reminded of when Philly traded Richards and Carter (who were lights out together) to different teams, not much was heard from them, but when LA reunited them, viola! 2 out of the last 3 Stanley Cups. PLUS they both found some of that scoring magic back. I am not saying that Weiss and Booth are Richards and Carter (although together they had some very impressive numbers in Florida) but a little familiarity goes a long way!

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Nyquist

Booth - Weiss - Franzen

Jurco - Sheahan - Tatar

Helm - Glendening - Abdelkader

Miller/Andersson

keeping in mind something would have to be done with Ferraro, Callahan and AA if he doesn't bolt for Sweden. I also do not know what it would take to acquire Campbell, maybe not too much considering his age and only 2 years left on that contract is nice too. Obviously Q is gone and Kindl gets traded somewhere for some tape or a puck. Add to the D mix, Derek Morris and we are in business.

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I'm a little afraid of signing anyone from Florida. Everyone whose come out of there recently has flopped. Weiss, Sammy, Booth

I'm not sure about that. Weiss has been hurt the last 2 years so that's a non starter, Sammy was just plain old and washed up, and Booth. Meh.

Still, adding Campbell could be a good one, may have to ship Kindl the other way to make it work. Thoughts?

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If Florida would take Kindl and lets say AA for Campbell, I say bring it! I think it may cost our 1st rounder though, because that is what Holland does, overpays. He would offer Kindl, AA and our first citing that AA has threatened to go back to Sweden and Kindl has no place on this team, so its basically a 1st for Campbell...

Again, I do think Booth and Weiss together would re-ignite some flames and help this team...more-so than re-signing Alfie and Cleary...

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If Florida would take Kindl and lets say AA for Campbell, I say bring it! I think it may cost our 1st rounder though, because that is what Holland does, overpays. He would offer Kindl, AA and our first citing that AA has threatened to go back to Sweden and Kindl has no place on this team, so its basically a 1st for Campbell...

Again, I do think Booth and Weiss together would re-ignite some flames and help this team...more-so than re-signing Alfie and Cleary...

So how about Kindl, AA, Andersson and Ferraro? If we're going to unload our baggage, might as well get on with it!

I don't think KH will sacrifice our 1st when it's the highest we've picked in a long time. That said, it's not a great draft so I could see it happening. I'd want it to be spent on someone a bit higher up the food chain than Campbell though

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jurco on line 4?

that's genius. bravo.

Not sure if serious. It's probably a bad idea (defensive shortcomings), but I wasn't putting much thought into the actual line combinations. The point was that we'd have a number of big bodies in the mix. Slightly more realistic:

Zetterberg Datsyuk Jurco

Franzen Weiss Wheeler

Pouliot Sheahan Nyquist

Miller Helm Abdelkader

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So I'm looking through this article about the top 30 UFA's on Bleacher Report, and while I'm taking their summaries with a grain of salt, there are some interesting options for the Wings if we lose certain players.

If we're forced to part with Tatar in a trade, would Michalek be a suitable replacement? Seems like a similar player but with a bigger frame. His ceiling might not be as high as Tatar (he's 29 and probably as good as he'll ever be) but it seems like he would fit in on our third line.

If Alfredsson doesn't come back, Cammalleri might be a good replacement. Similar points,short-term contract, similar cap hit. Moulson could be a more long-term replacement, too.

On defense, I'm no longer sure we would go after Niskanen. If his defensive game still requires improvement, $6+ at 7 years might be way too pricey. If Holland can talk him down to the 5 mil range and a shorter term, then there's a chance. Otherwise, it looks like trading is the only way we'll improve our top 4.

I ignored the likes of Stasny and Iginla, who are likely to re-sign with their teams. Maybe Cammalleri will re-sign, too.

In short, there are some options that will improve this team, but there really isn't a Plan B if our targets don't sign with us. We can't afford to stand pat, either, so Holland better get cozy with the idea of trading some of our prospects and roster players.

I wouldn't be happy with Michalek for Tatar. The biggest concern is he's got wonky knees, which eliminates his greatest asset - his North-South speed. Additionally, he doesn't play an especially physical game; he's always played alongside Spezza (Can he produce when he's not slotted next to a supremely talented 1C like Spezza?), he's injury-prone; his best years are probably behind him (though, in fairness, he's coming off his second-best season as a Senator, in terms of points); and he lacks Tatar's dynamic, game-changing ability. Plus, Tatar would become a Senator, so we'd be seeing a whole lot of him for years to come. And you just know he'd haunt us.

I like Cammalleri and Moulson, but don't we have enough veterans? Z and D and Franzen and Weiss - four of our top six forwards are at least 30 years old and injury-prone and slowing down, which would be completely unacceptable if Z and D weren't every bit as good as they are.

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I wouldn't be happy with Michalek for Tatar. The biggest concern is he's got wonky knees, which eliminates his greatest asset - his North-South speed. Additionally, he doesn't play an especially physical game; he's always played alongside Spezza (Can he produce when he's not slotted next to a supremely talented 1C like Spezza?), he's injury-prone; his best years are probably behind him (though, in fairness, he's coming off his second-best season as a Senator, in terms of points); and he lacks Tatar's dynamic, game-changing ability. Plus, Tatar would become a Senator, so we'd be seeing a whole lot of him for years to come. And you just know he'd haunt us.

I like Cammalleri and Moulson, but don't we have enough veterans? Z and D and Franzen and Weiss - four of our top six forwards are at least 30 years old and injury-prone and slowing down, which would be completely unacceptable if Z and D weren't every bit as good as they are.

I didn't mean trade Tatar for Michalek. I meant if we had to trade Tatar to get someone else, would Michalek be a suitable UFA replacement? But you answered that. No speed, no thanks.

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I sincerely dont mean any offens when I say this.

But if thats your idea of a voice of reason, you should go get some help.

This goes to almost every one on here.

I dig the passion for the wings and all, but, its a game.

Its supposed to bring you enjoyment, not cause irrational panic.

I get you all have your ideas on how to make the perfect team and all that, but the people that you're constantly cursing are largely recognized around the NHL as the best coach, and gm.

Can you say you honestly believe you could do a better job than ken Holland has done consistently over the past 20+ years?

I don't think you understood me at all. I know humor/sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet.

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I sincerely dont mean any offens when I say this.

This goes to almost every one on here.

I dig the passion for the wings and all, but, its a game.

Its supposed to bring you enjoyment, not cause irrational panic.

BULLCRAP YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG PUCK IS LIFE WHO DUNKED ON YOU WHAT IS THIS EVEN I CAN'T

OFFENS

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A lot of focus has been on who the Wings will add, but I'm curious what you guys/gals think some of the RFA's are going to get in in terms of cap and length of deal. My best guesses/hopes are something along the lines of:

Sheahan: 2.2-2.4 million per, 3 years.
Tatar: 2.8-3.4 million per, 3 years.
DeKeyser: 3.5-3.8 million per, 4 years.

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A lot of focus has been on who the Wings will add, but I'm curious what you guys/gals think some of the RFA's are going to get in in terms of cap and length of deal. My best guesses/hopes are something along the lines of:

Sheahan: 2.2-2.4 million per, 3 years.

Tatar: 2.8-3.4 million per, 3 years.

DeKeyser: 3.5-3.8 million per, 4 years.

I'll be really sad if those numbers come to fruition, because it'll just epitomise how ridiculous pro athletes salaries are. 1 year in the league and you can make big bucks.

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A lot of focus has been on who the Wings will add, but I'm curious what you guys/gals think some of the RFA's are going to get in in terms of cap and length of deal. My best guesses/hopes are something along the lines of:

Sheahan: 2.2-2.4 million per, 3 years.

Tatar: 2.8-3.4 million per, 3 years.

DeKeyser: 3.5-3.8 million per, 4 years.

I expect Sheahan and Tatar to both make in the 2M range (3.4 for Tatar is high IMO).

Dekeyser will be around 3M.

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If you're looking for FA acquisitions, yes, you'll be sorely disappointed. The kids will be another year better and our vets will indeed have injuries, although I don't think those can get any worse than last year.

We are shedding Bertuzzi, Sammy, possibly Q, and likely sending Cleary to the minors. That should bring smiles to everyone around here.

Well, seeing as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and Kronwall are all a year older and on the unhappy side of 30 expecting them to carry the team is becoming less and less feasible. Couple that with Nyquist likely not exploding this year, Sheahan returning to form and Tatar putting up similar numbers as he did last season and finally the the defense being mediocre they could easily be worse than last year.

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Well, seeing as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and Kronwall are all a year older and on the unhappy side of 30 expecting them to carry the team is becoming less and less feasible. Couple that with Nyquist likely not exploding this year, Sheahan returning to form and Tatar putting up similar numbers as he did last season and finally the the defense being mediocre they could easily be worse than last year.

You're always such a ray of sunshine.

I know I know...you're a realist...

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You're always such a ray of sunshine.

I know I know...you're a realist...

I am a realist, and I am also a person who wants Detroit to win a Cup every season, and as such any season where I don't feel they are either A) Contenders for the cup or B) Taking actual steps to become contenders, I will not be happy.

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I expect Sheahan and Tatar to both make in the 2M range (3.4 for Tatar is high IMO).

Dekeyser will be around 3M.

I am probably a little higher on the Tatar estimate than I should be. Killorn just got 2 years, 2.5 million per from Tampa, so I imagine Tatar will be slightly under/around there. If DK signs on for a little extra term, I can see him going up to that 3.5 area. The kind of deal where a player is going to grow into his deal - something similar to Kronwall's deal in 2007-08.

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Well, seeing as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and Kronwall are all a year older and on the unhappy side of 30 expecting them to carry the team is becoming less and less feasible. Couple that with Nyquist likely not exploding this year, Sheahan returning to form and Tatar putting up similar numbers as he did last season and finally the the defense being mediocre they could easily be worse than last year.

So you're expecting Dats, Zetterberg, Sheahan to only play half the season again. Ericsson and Franzen will miss 30 games again. Nyquist won't play in 25 games again. Weiss will only play 26 games again.

Cause all those things will have to happen again for us to be worse than the past year

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