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#2001 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 01:07 AM

Ales Hemsky's rights are being shopped by Ottawa now that he rejected a 3 year 10 million dollar deal per Lebrun.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:23 AM

Ales Hemsky's rights are being shopped by Ottawa now that he rejected a 3 year 10 million dollar deal per Lebrun.

 

Yea, don't overpay for that garbage. He should have taken that money and ran with it. He fit really well in Ottawa

 

Having thought about Gus coming back on a 1 year deal, actually it makes a lot of sense: 

 

  • Gus played well and carried us last year for a good portion when Howie was out and struggling. Nothing wrong knowing you've got a capable backup there who can step in. Plus, I thought he played well on very short notice in the playoffs.
  • Mrazek only has 11 games NHL experience. I know, I know, I think he'll be our number 1 guy in 3 years time, but is there really the need to rush him? I'm postulating here, not stating this as my opinion - I'd personally like to see Mrazek as the backup
  • This is the last year of that Mrazek is waiver exempt, so this is likely the last chance he'll get to have some 'seasoning' and say for example, he started struggling if the Wings brought him up, they could send him back down to GR to work on his game. 
  • Not suggesting this is the way the Wings operate, but as Mrazek is an RFA next season, if he doesn't play many more NHL games, he hasn't got a lot of bargaining power. I think the Wings might be fully aware of the fact that this guy is going to be damn good, and now they've got Howard locked up for 5 years, I don't know if they'd want to face the scenario where Howard's got 3 years left on his deal and Mrazek is already showing he's a better goalie. Keeping Mrazek down for another year means the Wings can better control his salary increments so that it doesn't clash too much with Jimmy. Just my thoughts 

As for Clearly, if it's a 2 way deal then fine. Just as long as he plays well if/when he gets called up to Detroit. 


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#2003 DeGraa55

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 05:54 AM

People are surprised? This will be the same story again this year as last.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 06:39 AM

People are surprised? This will be the same story again this year as last.

Why so negative, bro?


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(AtomicPunk @ February 4, 2010 - 12:16AM)

Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

#2005 wings4thecup06

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 07:02 AM

I don't think it will be though. Cleary was awful last season, and if he's really that bad, he won't make the team out of camp and if they do sign him to the 2 way deal, he'll go down to GR. I don't see how he'll make the roster at all this year with the development of the kids and how they've come on, and the logjam we currently have, with or without Alfie. 

 

That said, if KH signs him to a 1 year, NHL deal without a 2 way element, I will not be happy, and I think it'll cloud every other move KH makes this summer on this board for sure. 


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:09 AM

Cleary on a one year, two-way contract definitely isn't a bad thing in my opinion. Added depth is never bad, as long as he doesn't push out any of the better, youth. Having young guys down in Grand Rapids seeing the heart and determination of Cleary, and watching him go about his daily routine on and off the ice definitely can't hurt. Like the guy or not, he is a warrior. He could definitely help the development of some of the kids. Personally, I would love to see Cleary get a job with the training staff helping out Pete Renzetti with the strength and conditioning of our players but another year, helping out the kids down in Grand Rapids doesn't seem like such a bad idea either.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:12 AM

Didn't they offer Maltby a two way contract in his final year as well?  It was basically, make the team or retire?  I could be wrong. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:16 AM

Didn't they offer Maltby a two way contract in his final year as well?  It was basically, make the team or retire?  I could be wrong.


Yup, and he signed it.... Pretty much knowing he was going to GR to work with the kids. Cleary is round 2

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:25 AM

Is it starting to become clear to anyone else that with the exception of some lame ass acquisition like Dan Boyle or Tom Gilbert we're going to have the EXACT same team as last year? 

 

All the resources in the world won't make a difference if there's no will to use them.  Puke.

 

Expect D and Z to be hurt again, expect the kids to have good but not great seasons, expect Alfie to be re-signed and then be hurt/run out of gas, and expect our defense to be poor again.  Lather, rinse, repeat. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:32 AM

Is it starting to become clear to anyone else that with the exception of some lame ass acquisition like Dan Boyle or Tom Gilbert we're going to have the EXACT same team as last year? 
 
All the resources in the world won't make a difference if there's no will to use them.  Puke.
 
Expect D and Z to be hurt again, expect the kids to have good but not great seasons, expect Alfie to be re-signed and then be hurt/run out of gas, and expect our defense to be poor again.  Lather, rinse, repeat.


If you're looking for FA acquisitions, yes, you'll be sorely disappointed. The kids will be another year better and our vets will indeed have injuries, although I don't think those can get any worse than last year.

We are shedding Bertuzzi, Sammy, possibly Q, and likely sending Cleary to the minors. That should bring smiles to everyone around here.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:37 AM

Why so negative, bro?


Well toucan call it negative I whatever. But I said the same thing last off season. Said we would finish in the 6th through 10th range and look what happened.

Now were doing the same s*** again just now they're all a year older lol.

#2012 kipwinger

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:42 AM

If you're looking for FA acquisitions, yes, you'll be sorely disappointed. The kids will be another year better and our vets will indeed have injuries, although I don't think those can get any worse than last year.

We are shedding Bertuzzi, Sammy, possibly Q, and likely sending Cleary to the minors. That should bring smiles to everyone around here.

 

Not really, those guys didn't play for huge chunks of the season last year.  The only way they hurt us was by taking up roster and cap space that could be used better elsewhere.  But it's clear that the roster and cap space aren't going to be used better elsewhere so what difference does it make. 

 

You can blame Sammy, Bert, and Cleary until you're blue in the face, but they weren't the ones getting dominated by the Bruins.  It was our defense who is either too dumb, unskilled, or weak to advance the puck, and a forward corps which both A) too small and one dimensional and B) either not mature enough, or too old, to play against guys in their prime.  I don't see how bringing Alfie back and picking up some mediocre puck mover is going to help that.  Christ, we've had two mediocre puckmovers in the last 3 years.  Why not just hang on to White or Colaiacovo if you want a 2.5 million dollar, smallish, puckmover?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:57 AM

What should happen:

 

-Compliance Buyout TooToo (guaranteed)

-Re Sign RFA's (guaranteed)

-Re Sign Alfie (as being reported - see Detroit Free press )

-Trade Jurco, Andersson and 1st to VAN for Kesler (as being reported -  http://hometownhocke...ckey/HH0548.php )

-Trade Tatar, Kindl, Oulette and 2015 1st to Van for Myers (no reports here, but its June 17th why the hell not?)

-Evaluate Weiss status and if ineligible for LTIR - use a normal buyout on him. (only if #2 Center is acquired)

 

ZETTERBERG - DATSYUK  - ALFIE

FRANZEN        - KESLER     - MANTHA

NYQUIST         - SHEAHAN  - PULKINNEN

ABDELKADER - HELM         - MILLER

 

KRONWALL - ERICSSON

DEKEYSER  - MYERS

SMITH          - MARCHENKO

 

HOWARD

MRAZEK

 

21 - GLENDENNING

22 - LASHOFF

23 - CALLAHAN

 

I know everyone is going to laugh but I feel that everything (with exception to the Myers trade) has substance to it. I know this is a dream scenario, but our team retains its BEST young players in Nyquist, Dekeyser and Mantha and gives us a RH handed shot on almost every line.

 

That trade for Myers might be an overpayment but remember that Defenseman (especially his size) take a lot longer to develop into superstars than forwards do. See Chara, Pietrangelo, and even Chris Pronger didn't have 40 points until his 6th NHL season. I would even add Abdelkader or Anthanasiou to that trade.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 08:59 AM

Not really, those guys didn't play for huge chunks of the season last year.  The only way they hurt us was by taking up roster and cap space that could be used better elsewhere.  But it's clear that the roster and cap space aren't going to be used better elsewhere so what difference does it make. 
 
You can blame Sammy, Bert, and Cleary until you're blue in the face, but they weren't the ones getting dominated by the Bruins.  It was our defense who is either too dumb, unskilled, or weak to advance the puck, and a forward corps which both A) too small and one dimensional and B) either not mature enough, or too old, to play against guys in their prime.  I don't see how bringing Alfie back and picking up some mediocre puck mover is going to help that.  Christ, we've had two mediocre puckmovers in the last 3 years.  Why not just hang on to White or Colaiacovo if you want a 2.5 million dollar, smallish, puckmover?


If we are talking about Niskanen and Boyle here, like I assume, IMO both are far ahead in puck movement ability than White or Colo ever were. White had a good slapper but couldn't play D without Lids. Colo couldn't stay healthy. I think Boyle or Niskanen would immediately play top pairing minutes and would greatly improve our defensive depth from the get go. On top of that we have numerous young kids all on the cusp of breakout seasons. Even one breaking out could help us immensely

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:05 AM

Is it starting to become clear to anyone else that with the exception of some lame ass acquisition like Dan Boyle or Tom Gilbert we're going to have the EXACT same team as last year? 

 

All the resources in the world won't make a difference if there's no will to use them.  Puke.

 

Expect D and Z to be hurt again, expect the kids to have good but not great seasons, expect Alfie to be re-signed and then be hurt/run out of gas, and expect our defense to be poor again.  Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

It might feel like the same team, but it won't be.  The kids will be better.  Maybe still just good and not great, but they're heading in the right direction.  The defense... its a work in project.  Most teams in the NHL are having a tough time with defensemen, which is why they get so much in free agency these days.  Zetterberg and Datsyuk probably will get hurt again, but it can't be as bad as it was this year.  Rebuilding is a slow process, but at least we can say we're going in the right direction.  We could be watching Z and D get older with a bunch of UFA bands aid filling out the other lines because we don't have anything in the minors worth promoting.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:17 AM

If we are talking about Niskanen and Boyle here, like I assume, IMO both are far ahead in puck movement ability than White or Colo ever were. White had a good slapper but couldn't play D without Lids. Colo couldn't stay healthy. I think Boyle or Niskanen would immediately play top pairing minutes and would greatly improve our defensive depth from the get go. On top of that we have numerous young kids all on the cusp of breakout seasons. Even one breaking out could help us immensely

 

I'll agree about Niskanen, but not about Boyle.  Boyle put up 36 pts. on a team which was second in the league in goals per game.  San Jose is WAY more offensively capable than we are.  There's no way he duplicates those numbers.  The guy's washed up and his highly skilled offense pulled him along.  He'd put up terrible numbers for Detroit, and our defense would remain small and slow, and after getting manhandled in the playoffs next season we'd all be wondering "what happened?".  What happened was we were cheap and took a flier on a guy who anybody could see was done. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:22 AM

I'll agree about Niskanen, but not about Boyle.  Boyle put up 36 pts. on a team which was second in the league in goals per game.  San Jose is WAY more offensively capable than we are.  There's no way he duplicates those numbers.  The guy's washed up and his highly skilled offense pulled him along.  He'd put up terrible numbers for Detroit, and our defense would remain small and slow, and after getting manhandled in the playoffs next season we'd all be wondering "what happened?".  What happened was we were cheap and took a flier on a guy who anybody could see was done.


You're right, I just think Niskanen might price himself out of Detroit, and if that happens id be willing to chance it on Boyle. We need a defensive puck mover unless a kid steps up.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:13 AM

Rumor has it the Habs are open to moving 24-year-old Swedish defenseman Magnus Nygren. (Link)

 

What Hockey's Future has to say about Nygren:

 

Nygren is a right handed shooter for the power play with an excellent shot that gets through traffic and hits the net a large percentage of the time. He has good mobility and offensive skills but has become more than just a power play specialist with his improved defensive positioning and the reduction of high risk plays in his end of the rink. He still needs to work on not over pursuing the puck carrier and his net front coverage to play at the NHL level.

 

http://www.hockeysfu.../magnus_nygren/

 

Color me interested. Would they be interested in...Jordin Tootoo?


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:27 AM

Rumor has it the Habs are open to moving 24-year-old Swedish defenseman Magnus Nygren. (Link)
 
What Hockey's Future has to say about Nygren:
 

 
http://www.hockeysfu.../magnus_nygren/
 
Color me interested. Would they be interested in...Jordin Tootoo?


Not even Nashville wants Tootoo

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 11:27 AM

Nygren is lame, very low compete level.





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