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#2201 Shaman

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 04:42 AM

Obviously Points are everything.

Pulk has a good shot,
But that's about it.

Jurco has size, speed, grit, and amazing hands.

And sorry for thinking you're a troll,but saying Teemus going to pass jurco on the depth chart seems crazy.

 

Have you followed the development of either player at all? Pulks has been committed to improving any weakness in his game without question. He came into Grand Rapids being told to work on his defense, and he really became over the last year a very competent two way player, especially for a player that as you point out, use to be known for only his shot. Also if you didn't know this before his knee injury in his draft year he was projected as being the top 1 or 2 European draft picks and being taken in the top 5. 


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 05:26 AM

Yes. I've followed both pretty closely,...
Pulks looks slow and awkward skating to me.
And everyone's clamoring for bigger stronger players, which teemu is not.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 06:01 AM

Yes. I've followed both pretty closely,...
Pulks looks slow and awkward skating to me.
And everyone's clamoring for bigger stronger players, which teemu is not.

 

Hmm, while I think his game on the surface might seem one dimensional (I.e Slaphot) I haven't seen that myself. I mean, at this point I feel Jurco's game is more well rounded (considering how he's adapted to the physical side and shown a willingness to use his body). But I think that Teemu has good speed and he's got a nose for the net and that instinct for goal scoring that you just can't teach.

 

What I guess I'm getting at is, both are different players. Comparing them as the same player is worthless because they are not. Jurco looks like he might become a good two way forward with excellent size and a physical element to his game while Pulkkinen appears (at least right now) to be more offensively minded and a power play specialist who could pot 30 goals. 


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 06:23 AM

Obviously I hope they both turn out, it would be awesome for teemu to be a 30 goal scorer.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 07:05 AM

I watch 70-80% of Griffins games every season while never ever missing a Wings game, and I'm high on both players, but definitely a LOT higher on Jurco. I think Pulkkinen has the potential to be a pretty solid player in the NHL, I hope he can become somewhat of a power play specialist and use that amazing shot along the left faceoff dot, a la Ovechkin. But in the end, I see him more as a Jiri Hudler type, 2nd or 3rd line player. Jurco on the other hand, I think has the potential and all the tools to become something really special. I think he has the ability to become every bit of a player in the mold of a Marian Hossa. He has the size, he will gain the strength, he has the drive, he definitely has the hands and foot speed, he has a pretty decent shot that will get better, I think he is going to be a top line two-way player in this league for a long time.



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Posted 23 June 2014 - 08:07 AM

Jurco plays with an edge...just ask Alexei Emelin.



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Posted 23 June 2014 - 08:12 AM

How good of a skater was Hull? Homer? Pulk can skate better than either of them. he also shoots and scores, something we can use more of. Now that does not mean I wouldn't move him in the right deal, because I would. Anyone can be traded if the deal is right.



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Posted 23 June 2014 - 08:14 AM

Jurco is going to be the man!!


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 08:24 AM

I don't really think this needs to become a Jurco vs. Pulkinnen debate.  They're both good players.  Neither of them would be where they are if they weren't good players. 

 

I'm more reluctant to lose Jurco because I know how long this team has been looking for a big, strong, fast, goal scorer.  Now that we have what looks to be one (actually two with Mantha) I'd prefer to see what we've got and hang on to him while he develops.

 

But I understand why people would hate to lose Pulkinnen.  You don't see a shot like that everyday.  If we already had a handful of big bodied forwards (who could score, sorry Abby), I'd definitely prefer to keep Pulkinnen.  But we don't, so Jurco is the greater organizational need right now. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 09:04 AM

Well if Ansar Khan is to be believed, the Wings aren't likely to get a top defenseman or a top forward.  Instead, only a "secondary scorer" and a "lower cost" defenseman.  So that's good.  Because everybody knows the elite teams around the league are that way because of all the cut rate players they stock up on. 

 

I've still got my fingers crossed, but it's getting harder and harder to keep my head buried in the sand. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 09:35 AM

Well if Ansar Khan is to be believed, the Wings aren't likely to get a top defenseman or a top forward.  Instead, only a "secondary scorer" and a "lower cost" defenseman.  So that's good.  Because everybody knows the elite teams around the league are that way because of all the cut rate players they stock up on. 

 

I've still got my fingers crossed, but it's getting harder and harder to keep my head buried in the sand. 

 

Yeah, I read that Mlive Q&A as well.

 

Basically, he speculates that Holland won't overpay either in UFA dollars or in tradable assets. So no Niskanens, no Boyles, no Keslers, or Yandle type guys.

 

Honestly, I'd be happy with Tom Gilbert. He'smobile, has a great first pass, can eat up a ton of minutes, and has that right shot.

 

One of the "secondary scorers" he mentioned was Jussi Jokinen. I will be absolutely furious if we sign that guy.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 09:49 AM

Well if Ansar Khan is to be believed, the Wings aren't likely to get a top defenseman or a top forward.  Instead, only a "secondary scorer" and a "lower cost" defenseman.  So that's good.  Because everybody knows the elite teams around the league are that way because of all the cut rate players they stock up on. 

 

I've still got my fingers crossed, but it's getting harder and harder to keep my head buried in the sand. 

 

I'm not saying the Wings should go out and sign or trade for some superstar, but a secondary scorer and a 5 or 6 dman with all that cap space would be really disappointing.  We just keep getting lower and lower in the standings to the point where we're barely making the playoffs.  You can't just sign a couple scrubs to cheap deals and expect that to improve.  We don't have to sign players to make a run at a Cup right now, but let's at least make qualifying for the playoffs a little less exciting.



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Posted 23 June 2014 - 09:57 AM

 

Yeah, I read that Mlive Q&A as well.

 

Basically, he speculates that Holland won't overpay either in UFA dollars or in tradable assets. So no Niskanens, no Boyles, no Keslers, or Yandle type guys.

 

Honestly, I'd be happy with Tom Gilbert. He'smobile, has a great first pass, can eat up a ton of minutes, and has that right shot.

 

One of the "secondary scorers" he mentioned was Jussi Jokinen. I will be absolutely furious if we sign that guy.

...but in the same breath he mentions Moulson and Stastny.  Those are names I could live with.

 

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Possibilities include Dan Boyle, Anton Stralman, Derek Morris, Tom Gilbert and Stephane Robidas.

As far as defense goes... Those are fine.  Not what I really want, but Stralman has simplified his game and would be a solid piece.  Morris and Gilbert are decent puck-movers.  Can't complain too much.  If we're not going for broke I don't see why we'd want to take on Boyle (he wants cash and term) and Robidas is just aged and broken down. (38 and 48 games played in the last two years)


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:01 AM

I don't even know what to think.  We've got all the money in the world.  We've got so many young assets that we don't have spots for them all.  We've got a trade market flush with high end players because ten other teams are looking to shake up their rosters too. 

 

If this isn't the perfect time to make substantial moves then I don't know when is.  I'm all for the idea of drafting and developing as a means to success, but surely Holland doesn't believe that you should exclusively do that and only augment your team with role players. But it's starting to look that way. 

 

I'm just confused.  I have no idea where his head's at or what he's thinking. 


...but in the same breath he mentions Moulson and Stastny.  Those are names I could live with.

 

As far as defense goes... Those are fine.  Not what I really want, but Stralman has simplified his game and would be a solid piece.  Morris and Gilbert are decent puck-movers.  Can't complain too much.  If we're not going for broke I don't see why we'd want to take on Boyle (he wants cash and term) and Robidas is just aged and broken down. (38 and 48 games played in the last two years)

 

I'm not sure how adding mediocre pieces to a mediocre team makes us better.  I think he's hedging his bets that we'll be better with the growth of the young guys.  But their growth is entirely offset by the decline in our vets.  Does anybody really think that Dats, Z, Franzen will be healthy this year?  And if they aren't, does anybody really believe that the kids will offset that?  Even with the additions of Stralman or Boyle or Jokinen? 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:06 AM

Zetterberg and Datsyuk aren't getting any younger. To me, it makes no sense to hold onto all our prospects. They won't all make the Wings, there just won't be the room for em all. Package a few of them up with a roster player or picks and add some quality hockey players. We're not that far away, but you have to be willing to give to get. Coupled with how much space we have, it just seems like the perfect time. I see a 3 year window we have with Z&D still at a high level and Babs still the coach. Take your shots now Kenny, please!


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:07 AM

I am still liking the idea of Derek Morris for a secondary defenseman... But if I know Holland and his choices, Quincey will be our secondary defenseman...I don't know who we could target for our secondary scoring, but I am sure Holland is thinking Alfie and Cleary...because we all know he considers Franzen our primary scorer... I Will Hate Ken Holland (more) if he re-signs any more of our UFAs!!!  He already failed to upgrade our goaltending...f*** him and his Swedish love! I have nothing against Swedish players, especially if they make our team better, but WTF is with Ken Holland and his man-love on ALL Swedish players whether they are good or not? Ken, just because they are Swedish doesn't mean the are the right choice!!! GET THE f*** OVER IT! I am very close to wishing that Holland would take his "Team Model" elsewhere so we can get someone here that actually takes EVEYONE in to consideration...not Swedes first just because!!! Monster sucks and he is TOO injury prone and will miss even MORE games this season...

 

 

On the other end, he does mention Moulson and Stastny...but I think would cost a ton on July 1st...I like Stastny, but for his secondary scoring, he may break the back.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:07 AM

 

Yeah, I read that Mlive Q&A as well.

 

Basically, he speculates that Holland won't overpay either in UFA dollars or in tradable assets. So no Niskanens, no Boyles, no Keslers, or Yandle type guys.

 

Honestly, I'd be happy with Tom Gilbert. He'smobile, has a great first pass, can eat up a ton of minutes, and has that right shot.

 

One of the "secondary scorers" he mentioned was Jussi Jokinen. I will be absolutely furious if we sign that guy.

 

So Niskanen would cost one thing $ ---and is by far the best available defenseman, so if we pass on him who does fill the top 4 pairing problem ? Dekeyser, Kronwall and Ericsson is solid but after that there is a huge dropoff and injuries are going to happen no matter what. So I'm a bit surprised with these comments. I understand not wanting to give up assets but not wanting to pay a good defenseman ? That's just stupid.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:13 AM

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

I honestly think that in Holland's mind Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still 29 or 30 years old.  I think that when he envisions his roster he thinks to himself "I've got two of the best two way players on earth to build around.  I've just got to add around the edges". 

 

Sadly, they aren't that.  Not anymore.  Without significant help they won't get it done anymore.  And should we wake up one day to find that Nyquist and Tatar are the next Filppula and Hudler (rather than the next Eurotwins) we're in real trouble. 

 

It's not everyday that players as good as Kesler become available during the primes of their careers.  To avoid pursuing a guy like that because he'd cost too many prospects or mid-tier roster players is nuts. 


"Wait for it.... Waittttt forrrr itttttt" -KH

 

Haha, story of the last 5 years.  At what point does Holland finally realize that the price for talented players isn't going to come down?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:21 AM

I don't even know what to think.  We've got all the money in the world.  We've got so many young assets that we don't have spots for them all.  We've got a trade market flush with high end players because ten other teams are looking to shake up their rosters too. 

 

If this isn't the perfect time to make substantial moves then I don't know when is.  I'm all for the idea of drafting and developing as a means to success, but surely Holland doesn't believe that you should exclusively do that and only augment your team with role players. But it's starting to look that way. 

 

I'm just confused.  I have no idea where his head's at or what he's thinking.

 

I'm not sure how adding mediocre pieces to a mediocre team makes us better.  I think he's hedging his bets that we'll be better with the growth of the young guys.  But their growth is entirely offset by the decline in our vets.  Does anybody really think that Dats, Z, Franzen will be healthy this year?  And if they aren't, does anybody really believe that the kids will offset that?  Even with the additions of Stralman or Boyle or Jokinen? 

I'm starting to doubt, as well.  I'm still going to keep my fingers crossed and say, speculation is just that and we'll see what KH does when the opportunity is upon him.

 

That being said, I think we're looking at a real turning point for this franchise. 

If Ken Holland stands pat or just adds minor pieces it's not going to be enough to make us a true contender. 

We can continue to make the playoffs, but we won't be any closer to the Cup. I truly believe that.

 

Will Babcock see this and move on to another team? 

Will Mr. I see finally see Ken Holland as a proven winner, but not capable of leading this franchise to the future? 

This might be the last season of Holland being able to "hedge his bets" and play it safe.

 

As far as players discussed,I won't call them mediocre.

I do believe that Stralman, Morris, or Gilbert would be better than Kindl or Quincey on defense.

Enough to elevate the defense to the level we need?  No, probably not.

 

Moulson would be a legit piece for our top six. 

Stastny is young and coveted Center.  Neither of them are mediocre. 

I'd take either of them over Thornton or Spezza.  Not only are they younger, they'll "cost" less.


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