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#2561 krsmith17

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 02:09 PM

Lol I'm sure you must hate how well Pulkkinen is doing... :lol: 

 

I'm still hoping Frk can turn things around this season. I think he will have another slow start but finally find his game half way through this season. I predict he finishes this season with around 50 points with the Griffs...



#2562 DeGraa55

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 03:27 PM

 
The issues Hank have been having have been repaired. Weiss will be fine. He was stubborn and played hurt, and made things worst. He will be healthy and good to go this season. The extra long summer will help  Datsyuk a lot. There are also no olympics to cause him to keep playing hurt so he can represent his country. Franzen being out from time to time won;t be the end of the world with the depth in the system. In the end, it is highly unlikely these guys combined miss anywhere close to what they did last year. Wouldn't be a foolish bet what so ever.



I certainly hope you're right. Just consider me a realist or in the wait and see crowd. Cause the only thing we have to go off is their recent history.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:47 PM

I certainly hope you're right. Just consider me a realist or in the wait and see crowd. Cause the only thing we have to go off is their recent history.


A realist would realize just how bizarre last season was when it came to injuries

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:08 PM

A realist would realize just how bizarre last season was when it came to injuries

 

exactly, no way andersson plays top 6 minutes again, guys were dropping like flies last year, and the olympics didn't help. This year we can expect a much more resilient team, and a better outcome at the end of the year



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:23 PM

Holland should get Jeremy Welsh signed to a two-way contract like he did with Porter.  He would be great depth in GR and can be used for injury callup's...last year showed you cannot have enough centers in the system!


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

 

Moves will be made when the time is right. It is the right move to let the kids show what they can do first. The team has a nice mix of youth and vets right now as it is, so the team will be fine. When they are on the cusp of being able to make a run, moves will happen. 

 

I agree with this!  I don't think Holland does, though.  Retaining and/or adding veterans doesn't give the kids a chance, it shuts them out.  That's been his M.O. for the last few off-seasons, despite what the younger guys have shown.

 

 

Not much progress seems to have happened when looking at the teams stats, but when you look at the roster, they have come such a long way. The team was able to reload quickly when the cap era began, as the defense was still led by #5. This reload is taking much longer, as the bulk of the defense right now is very young. But they'll get there. I said it many times before, but I'd bet money this season is when we start to see the upswing.

 

In some ways, I agree here also.  The D is young and promising.  In a couple years, they'll have some pieces to trade away, as they won't have room for everyone.  The reload is a long process, but it leads to frustrating seasons where the team is good enough to challenge for a playoff spot, but not good enough to make a run.  Holland doesn't make moves to bolster the team for a playoff run or to accumulate assets for the future.  He almost seems content with the status-quo.  I'd be OK with making moves to get Datsyuk and Zetterberg one more Cup, I'd be better with moving some vets out to make room for more young guys to get a shot.  Holland leans one way and then the other, but never really commits to a direction./

 

That was just bad, unlucky timing. Holland had high hopes of landing one of the UFA's, and by then Stuart was already moved. But them's the breaks

 

Just like not knowing why free agents don't come here, it's his job to be on top of that stuff.  He can't have tunnel vision.



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

A realist would realize just how bizarre last season was when it came to injuries


But it's not just last year it's the last couple years really...

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:32 AM

16th ranked offense last year due to probably the most bizarre rash of injuries to key players we've ever witnessed.

16th ranked defense last year due again to significant injuries, but mostly because of our young blue line getting accustomed to the NHL.

 

*** Please do not say that we are going to be more injured than last season because all of our players are a year older... It just won't happen.

I will bet most if not all of Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Weiss, Ericsson and DeKeyser will play more games than last season.

 

Our roster is not "over full", although I would like to rid ourselves of a couple spare parts (Andersson, Kindl). I'm one of the few that would like to see all of Jurco, Pulkkinen and Mantha start the season in Grand Rapids.

 

We are not "out of cap space already". We should still have over 6 million after Tatar and DeKeyser are signed.

 

As of today, I would bet we could challenge for the Division but more realistically we would finish around 4th or 5th in the Conference.

We have had serious injury issues for three season now. Yes getting rid of Bert and Sammy will help. But the others are still here. Do I expect D and Z to play more games this season? yes i do. But that alone will not make a dramatic improvement in our team. Even when healthy we are not a great team, we are average at best. Plus the more they play the less others will play. The minutes have to come from somewhere.

 

As for the cap, the best guess is on cap geek. per cap geek we have 6.5 million left in cap today BEFORE resigning Tatar and Dekeyser. Resigning those 2 will eat up another 3.5-4 million. That will leave us around 3 million heading into the fall, baring any other moves. If/when Alfie and Cleary are resigned, most of that will be gone. You have to keep in mind we are 3 million short in cap space this year because of bonuses paid for last season-most of which goes to Alfie. So yes my original statement stands: roster is full and we are out of cap space. Could moves be made to change that? Yes. Will any happen? Doubtful. 


A realist would realize just how bizarre last season was when it came to injuries

Its been a 3 year issue, which of course you know. same cast of players is not going to fix that problem. make all the excuses you want, but we will have 250+ man games lost by the end of the 2014/15 season. 



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:40 AM

We have had serious injury issues for three season now. Yes getting rid of Bert and Sammy will help. But the others are still here. Do I expect D and Z to play more games this season? yes i do. But that alone will not make a dramatic improvement in our team. Even when healthy we are not a great team, we are average at best. Plus the more they play the less others will play. The minutes have to come from somewhere.
 
As for the cap, the best guess is on cap geek. per cap geek we have 6.5 million left in cap today BEFORE resigning Tatar and Dekeyser. Resigning those 2 will eat up another 3.5-4 million. That will leave us around 3 million heading into the fall, baring any other moves. If/when Alfie and Cleary are resigned, most of that will be gone. You have to keep in mind we are 3 million short in cap space this year because of bonuses paid for last season-most of which goes to Alfie. So yes my original statement stands: roster is full and we are out of cap space. Could moves be made to change that? Yes. Will any happen? Doubtful. 

Its been a 3 year issue, which of course you know. same cast of players is not going to fix that problem. make all the excuses you want, but we will have 250+ man games lost by the end of the 2014/15 season. 


Actually with the bonuses factored in (which capgeek already does) we have just over $10mil in cap space. So no were not up against the cap

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:56 AM

Actually with the bonuses factored in (which capgeek already does) we have just over $10mil in cap space. So no were not up against the cap

Actually, it's just under not over $10million.  Either way, here's the link:  http://capgeek.com/redwings/

 

See. There are good things on the internet.

 

EDIT:  Also, I just noticed that there are only five little lock icons denoting NTC/NMC on our roster.  Is this correct?

Dats, Weiss, Kronner, Ericsson, and Howard.


Edited by e_prime, 09 July 2014 - 08:59 AM.

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(AtomicPunk @ February 4, 2010 - 12:16AM)

Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:57 AM

Sorry just under.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:41 AM

All this talk about Green, what about any of the other solid right handed defenders in the league? Obviously a lot of the guys we would want would be close to untouchable but what about a young kid like Jacob Trouba from Winnipeg? What do people think it would take to get him, and would it be worth it? I personally think the kid is going to be unreal in a few years, and I'm guessing the Jets probably feel the same about him. So it may be costly, but how much would it cost us?

 

What about a trade something like:

 

To Detroit - Jacob Trouba

To Winnipeg - Tomas Tatar, Jakub Kindl, Xavier Ouellet, Landon Ferraro, 2015 2nd (or 1st if that's the only way the deal gets done)

 

Imagine a top 6 in a couple years of:

 

DeKeyser - Trouba

Smith - Sproul

Kronwall - Ericsson / Backman / Marchenko



#2573 DickieDunn

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:54 AM

That would be a huge overpayment

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#2574 frankgrimes

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:55 AM

All this talk about Green, what about any of the other solid right handed defenders in the league? Obviously a lot of the guys we would want would be close to untouchable but what about a young kid like Jacob Trouba from Winnipeg? What do people think it would take to get him, and would it be worth it? I personally think the kid is going to be unreal in a few years, and I'm guessing the Jets probably feel the same about him. So it may be costly, but how much would it cost us?

 

What about a trade something like:

 

To Detroit - Jacob Trouba

To Winnipeg - Tomas Tatar, Jakub Kindl, Xavier Ouellet, Landon Ferraro, 2015 2nd (or 1st if that's the only way the deal gets done)

 

Imagine a top 6 in a couple years of:

 

DeKeyser - Trouba

Smith - Sproul

Kronwall - Ericsson / Backman / Marchenko

 

That guy combined with Scheifele is probably at the top of Cheveldayoffs untouchable list.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

Dickie, I definitely would give up that package for Trouba. I think this kid has Doughty potential all over him. So what about all those pieces, minus the draft pick?

 

I agree Frank, that's why my offer would be so high. Any deal can get done, but what would it cost us?...



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:18 AM

Dickie, I definitely would give up that package for Trouba. I think this kid has Doughty potential all over him. So what about all those pieces, minus the draft pick?

 

I agree Frank, that's why my offer would be so high. Any deal can get done, but what would it cost us?...

 

Oh and I don't know but it would for sure be something ridiculous:

 

Winnipeg: Nyquist, 1st 2015, Dekeyser (they would be asking for a top D man coming back...)

Detroit: Jacob Trouba

 

Which would leave us with the same problem we already have


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:25 AM

Now THAT is massive overpayment for ya Dickie lol. There is no way the Jets would be asking for those three pieces...

I think Ouellet would be capable in stepping in on the Jets blue line to start this season and making an impact. Tatar would be an obvious key piece to the deal. Kindl can be a serviceable 6th defenseman, maybe even more in a different system. Likewise, Ferraro could be a serviceable 4th line center or winger for the Jets. Add in a high pick and I think that is pretty fair...



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

The main issue with this team last year was injuries....which was something of a blessing in disguise with Shehan, Nyquist and Jurco getting time to develop, but we could have seen that with Hank and Pavel healthy too.

 

We had problems on D obviously...Kindl and Lashoff regressed...more so Kindl.  Smith and Quincey were inconsistent but both had good second halves.  Quincey was pretty solid defensively around the cage...he leverages his body well.  Smith finished well in the playoffs, so I hope he builds on that.

 

Longer term...we quit drafting guys like Datsyuk  in the later rounds and started drafting guys like Gennady Stolyarov so we had to rely on crapshoot signings like Sammy, Bert, Tootoo and Cleary ....but that may have changed in the last couple of drafts. 2010 and 2011 look really good and what collective insanity lead NHL teams to allow Mantha to slip all the way to 20th?

 

I think Smith's slow development, Helm's injuries and Abdelkader's inability to develop an offensive game hurt the team a lot.  Abdelkader looked like he had the potential to be a 15-20 goal guy at one point but that hasn't happened...not even playing alongside Datsyuk.   He's a quality 4th line wing...maybe even 3rd line.  But Pavel likes him so he rolls on the top line.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

Lol I'm sure you must hate how well Pulkkinen is doing... :lol:

 

I'm still hoping Frk can turn things around this season. I think he will have another slow start but finally find his game half way through this season. I predict he finishes this season with around 50 points with the Griffs...

 

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:47 AM

 

That guy combined with Scheifele is probably at the top of Cheveldayoffs untouchable list.

It was already stated that Trouba, Morrissey and Scheifele are completely untouchable but apparently most other players can be had.


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