Jump to content


Photo
* * * - - 4 votes

Next Seasons Needs/Team Future


  • Please log in to reply
2594 replies to this topic

#401 nawein

nawein

    4th Line Grinder

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • 337 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:04 AM

I think actually, if we're looking at having the best defense we can next year without drastically overpaying, and with the way he's played after a rough start this year, we should resign Quincey. I didn't get to see the game tonight, but I've been thinking of it lately. There's not a lot of options on the market, and no matter how much we love the kids I don't think they're the answer yet. I'd trade Kindl at the draft to move up a bit, but, I really don't think Q has been as bad as LGW has made him sound. Plus he knows the system, doesn't seem to ever get hurt, and has made pretty decent strides lately. A pay cut is probably in order, but I wouldn't be opposed to having him back.

#402 dirtydangles

dirtydangles

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,696 posts

Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:18 AM

I think actually, if we're looking at having the best defense we can next year without drastically overpaying, and with the way he's played after a rough start this year, we should resign Quincey. I didn't get to see the game tonight, but I've been thinking of it lately. There's not a lot of options on the market, and no matter how much we love the kids I don't think they're the answer yet. I'd trade Kindl at the draft to move up a bit, but, I really don't think Q has been as bad as LGW has made him sound. Plus he knows the system, doesn't seem to ever get hurt, and has made pretty decent strides lately. A pay cut is probably in order, but I wouldn't be opposed to having him back.

If Q came back around 2.5 I wouldn't kill myself. But I am worried about the length of the contract - we have a few kids in GR almost knocking on the door (1-2 years away) and I don't want to have another Nyquist situation by re-signing Q to a deal over 1 year in length (which he almost certainly won't accept). We don't have any aging Dmen coming into retirement and with Kronner, E, DD, Smith that makes 4 mainstays and if we move Kindl and sign Q like you suggests that leaves only one starting roster spot open for Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, Jensen to fight for. I see at LEAST 2 of those guys panning out. I would rather have 2 vets added on short 1 year deals or expiring deals and then promote as we are ready rather than sign Q for over 2 years. We could lose some of those kids if we can't sign them and they run out of eligibility and they could be lost for nothing like Quincey was so long ago. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


#403 Z Winged Dangler

Z Winged Dangler

    Part 3: Return of the Hammer Hands

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,196 posts
  • Location:Winnipeg, MB

Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:34 PM

If Q came back around 2.5 I wouldn't kill myself. But I am worried about the length of the contract - we have a few kids in GR almost knocking on the door (1-2 years away) and I don't want to have another Nyquist situation by re-signing Q to a deal over 1 year in length (which he almost certainly won't accept). We don't have any aging Dmen coming into retirement and with Kronner, E, DD, Smith that makes 4 mainstays and if we move Kindl and sign Q like you suggests that leaves only one starting roster spot open for Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, Jensen to fight for. I see at LEAST 2 of those guys panning out. I would rather have 2 vets added on short 1 year deals or expiring deals and then promote as we are ready rather than sign Q for over 2 years. We could lose some of those kids if we can't sign them and they run out of eligibility and they could be lost for nothing like Quincey was so long ago. 

Sproul, Ouellet and Marchenko to me are sure things.  I'd like to see Ouellet and Marchenko up next year and Sproul lead the charge in GR for one more year with call-ups if needed.  I'd rather not see Q re-signed at all and have better, younger players come up with squat cap hit so we can go after a top tier Dman or forward with the extra money.


"I play hockey, but I am not very good.  Can someone please tell me what it would take to sign with the Wings ? I can use a million or two."  ~ arag

 

Dan Cleary is an Xbox 360.  While good for a while, it's time for the new generation to take over.


#404 Andy Pred 48

Andy Pred 48

    Coming soon,"the slovak line" Marek and 2 Toms!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,865 posts
  • Location:Peterborough England

Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:29 PM

I'd like to see this on the PP and 3rd line next year.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zvKdNw13Z8c


"What are you guys doing?" Reggie Dunlop
"Putting on the foil coach" Jeff Hanson
"Yeah, every game, you want some coach?" Steve Hanson
"Er, no. No thanks guys." Reggie Dunlop
"Make sure they don't leave the bench!" Reggie Dunlop.

#405 Son of a Wing

Son of a Wing

    London Lions Captain

  • Gold Booster
  • 1,749 posts
  • Location:London, Ontario

Posted 27 February 2014 - 02:36 PM

I'd like to see this on the PP and 3rd line next year.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zvKdNw13Z8c

 

I don't think it will happen next year but I do look forward to the day he has a role on this team.

 

Between him and Sproul we've got a couple right handed cannons coming soon.


"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
Vince Lombardi
 
When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

#406 Andy Pred 48

Andy Pred 48

    Coming soon,"the slovak line" Marek and 2 Toms!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,865 posts
  • Location:Peterborough England

Posted 27 February 2014 - 06:31 PM

I'm sure Teemu was voted as the most skillfull player at the prospect's camp and that his hockey smarts where well above anyone else there. Lets not forget that he has played for 3 full season's in the Finnish Liiga and he leads the Griffs in points this year in his first full year in the AHL. He has played mens league hockey since he was 18, 4 years,its not like he has spent all those early years in jnr leagues raking the points up. 5'10" maybe on the short side, but he is solid at 200LB. If we compare him to our previous Finns, his Liiga record is better than Filppula and the same as Leino. At the AHL level he has a better output than Leino but is behind Filppula. I would say that Ville and Val are both more of playmakers, but Teemu has good playmaking skills but what sets him apart in my eyes is his scoring ability. We all got to breaking screaming at Flip to shot more, we want have that worry with Teemu. 


"What are you guys doing?" Reggie Dunlop
"Putting on the foil coach" Jeff Hanson
"Yeah, every game, you want some coach?" Steve Hanson
"Er, no. No thanks guys." Reggie Dunlop
"Make sure they don't leave the bench!" Reggie Dunlop.

#407 dirtydangles

dirtydangles

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,696 posts

Posted 28 February 2014 - 07:51 PM

I'd like to see this on the PP and 3rd line next year.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zvKdNw13Z8c

both pulks and jarnkrok had 3 point nights that game. Jarnkrok with 16 points in last 14 games - people he his heating up.


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


#408 Dabura

Dabura

    Everydayer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,056 posts
  • Location:In an octopus's garden

Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:12 PM

I'm really keen on Pulkkinen.


And Jarnkrok is the one prospect I'd absolutely refuse to trade.


I'd like to see this on the PP and 3rd line next year.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=zvKdNw13Z8c

 

My thoughts exactly! Though, like SOAW said, it probably won't be next season. But that's not a bad thing.


Don't Toews me, bro!


#409 nyqvististhefuture

nyqvististhefuture

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,265 posts

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:01 PM

I'm really keen on Pulkkinen.
And Jarnkrok is the one prospect I'd absolutely refuse to trade.

 
My thoughts exactly! Though, like SOAW said, it probably won't be next season. But that's not a bad thing.



Call me an optimist but I absolutely love our prospect pool and think we got a ton of potential there , best prospects potential in along time


For me personally from redwingscentral.com everyone in the top 10 except athanasiou is untouchable (although he's been on a tear he's doing this on his last ohl season,he could be the perfect prospect to throw into a deal to maybe land someone like Myers/kesler)

I'd also not touch janmark and pulkkinen .... I'd love to see almquist up now to help the 2nd ppl but I think he's gonna be gone cuz there's just no space

Maybe a athanasiou/almquist/Ferraro(who's a b.c boy) could be worked in a package for kesler although I'd love to see Myers instead

#410 joesuffP

joesuffP

    Hall-of-Famer

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,932 posts

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:08 PM

I'd resign Quincey tbh. Still young, big and believe or not, he's physical. With inflation of salaries he's probably worth his salary right now. I believe if we as a team scored more than around 20th in the league you would see his numbers look a lot better
Having said that we should give Buffalo what they want for Erhoff.

Edited by joesuffP, 28 February 2014 - 10:08 PM.


#411 nyqvististhefuture

nyqvististhefuture

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,265 posts

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:12 PM

I'd resign Quincey tbh. Still young, big and believe or not, he's physical. With inflation of salaries he's probably worth his salary right now. I believe if we as a team scored more than around 20th in the league you would see his numbers look a lot better


I'd let him walk ... With the cap going up he's gonna want 4-5 per yr + we got ouellet sproul marchenko backman coming up next 1-2 yrs .... Dekeyser Ericsson kronwall going nowhere , lashoffs here for cheap fora few more yrs .... If anything I'd try and make a big deal for Myers he's young and would be a perfect fit (although we'd probably need a 3rd team in the deal)

Smith Tatar athanasiou for Myers? I love Tatar but with sheahan jurco and jarnkrok pulkkinen mantha we can afford it?

#412 DickieDunn

DickieDunn

    http://redwingsandotherthings.wordpress.com/

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,397 posts
  • Location:Belding

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:26 PM

I'd let him walk ... With the cap going up he's gonna want 4-5 per yr + we got ouellet sproul marchenko backman coming up next 1-2 yrs .... Dekeyser Ericsson kronwall going nowhere , lashoffs here for cheap fora few more yrs .... If anything I'd try and make a big deal for Myers he's young and would be a perfect fit (although we'd probably need a 3rd team in the deal)

Smith Tatar athanasiou for Myers? I love Tatar but with sheahan jurco and jarnkrok pulkkinen mantha we can afford it?

 

At this point Buffalo might trade Myers for Kindl straight up just to get out of that contract.  And that would still be a bad deal for Detroit.  Kid's been playing like Quincey for a lot more money with a lot of years left.  That deal is exactly why you don't give a player a huge contract before he can legally drink in the US.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#413 nyqvististhefuture

nyqvististhefuture

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,265 posts

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:32 PM

You kidding me right? It would take a hell of a lot more to get Myers than kindl lol .... And trust me lot of teams would be calling up buffalo for Myers ...he just turned 24 this month defencemen develop later on and lets not forget how awful buffalo has been for yrs


Put him here with dekeyser on the 2nd pair with Babcock coaching ... We'd all be laughing

Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 28 February 2014 - 10:33 PM.


#414 DickieDunn

DickieDunn

    http://redwingsandotherthings.wordpress.com/

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,397 posts
  • Location:Belding

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:35 PM

You kidding me right? It would take a hell of a lot more to get Myers than kindl lol .... And trust me lot of teams would be calling up buffalo for Myers ...he just turned 24 this month defencemen develop later on and lets not forget how awful buffalo has been for yrs


Put him here with dekeyser on the 2nd pair with Babcock coaching ... We'd all be laughing

 

From the way I understand it Buffalo would love to move him but can't.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#415 nyqvististhefuture

nyqvististhefuture

    1st Line All-Star

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,265 posts

Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:43 PM

That's not what dredger and other tsn guys been saying ..... Myers in play but it would take a lot to get them to deal him .... Not my words

#416 Motown4013

Motown4013

    1st Line All-Star

  • Silver Booster
  • 1,067 posts
  • Location:Ontario

Posted 28 February 2014 - 11:03 PM

IMO taking Cleary off the top line was our 1st trade line acquisition.
Making Cleary a healthy scratch is our 2nd trade line acquisition. BAM! Better team. I'll just revel in this :)
Raising another Red Wings Fan!

The future looks bright in Hockeytown!
GUSTAV SNIPEQUIST!

#417 Andy Pred 48

Andy Pred 48

    Coming soon,"the slovak line" Marek and 2 Toms!

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,865 posts
  • Location:Peterborough England

Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:01 AM

so Myers cap hit is $5.5m ? for another 5 years. So he's 24, put him in a position at Detroit where he isnt your top pairing guy he could be a steal be the end of that contract. he is a R/H as well. He's the highest paid D on the Sabres  roster and also the youngest, maybe he's feeling he has to live up to his wagebill.  

 

Here's and idea, Myers & Tallinder for Quincey, Kindl, McCollum and Almqvist. 


"What are you guys doing?" Reggie Dunlop
"Putting on the foil coach" Jeff Hanson
"Yeah, every game, you want some coach?" Steve Hanson
"Er, no. No thanks guys." Reggie Dunlop
"Make sure they don't leave the bench!" Reggie Dunlop.

#418 Son of a Wing

Son of a Wing

    London Lions Captain

  • Gold Booster
  • 1,749 posts
  • Location:London, Ontario

Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:30 AM

so Myers cap hit is $5.5m ? for another 5 years. So he's 24, put him in a position at Detroit where he isnt your top pairing guy he could be a steal be the end of that contract. he is a R/H as well. He's the highest paid D on the Sabres  roster and also the youngest, maybe he's feeling he has to live up to his wagebill.  

 

Here's and idea, Myers & Tallinder for Quincey, Kindl, McCollum and Almqvist. 

 

We have some GREAT defence prospects coming in the next few years so why give up assets for an unproven financial burden?


"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
Vince Lombardi
 
When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

#419 DickieDunn

DickieDunn

    http://redwingsandotherthings.wordpress.com/

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,397 posts
  • Location:Belding

Posted 06 March 2014 - 02:58 PM

Cap might only be $68 mil, not the projected $71 mil.  

 

Just for **** n giggles, let's assume Alfredsson and Legwand both want to come back, they trade Kindl+ for a d-man, and they bring up Marchenko. Alfredsson's $6 mil salary reflects the carryover bonus from this year. Obviously the dollar amounts for the free agents are guesses.

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($6.000m) 
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) 
Tomas Tatar ($1.250m) / David Legwand ($4.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) 
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) 
Luke Glendening ($0.605m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m) 
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m) 
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Danny DeKeyser ($2.500m) 
Brendan Smith ($1.263m) / Alexei Marchenko ($0.667m) 
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) / 
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) 
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m) 
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m) 
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $68,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,301,212; BONUSES: $125,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,798,788

Either sign a backup goalie for around $1.5 mil ,which is normal salary range for them, or use Mrazek as #2. Still plenty of cap room.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#420 Nevermind

Nevermind

    2nd Line Scorer

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 559 posts
  • Location:Hockeytown, USA

Posted 06 March 2014 - 03:11 PM

And Jarnkrok is the one prospect I'd absolutely refuse to trade.

 

;)







Similar Topics Collapse

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users