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#41 Nyquistfan14

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:22 AM

I thought Legwand has been great as a center, can anyone explain to me putting him on the 4th as 41's winger? Is it just to have a pure shutdown line or what?


Ya I believe it's to have a pure shutdown line, although I've thought that lines been excellent since being put together.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:31 AM

If we ever get back Ericsson back I wouldn't mind seeing line combos such as:

 

Kronwall-Lashoff/Kindl

Smith-Ericsson

Dekeyser-Quincey

 

Lashoff looked serviceable last year at the beginning of the season playing with Kron, and Kindl had flashes during the playoffs. Maybe pairing one of these guys with some one steady like Kron will do the trick.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:31 AM

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Well, we don't have those options, so there's nothing to really talk about on defense. Our defense is plan is: Limit the exposure of Kindl-Lashoff, try not to get anyone in the top 4 hurt, and hope Smith doesn't go full retard.

 

 

Don't think there's much chance of getting Bergeron away from Datsyuk. I'd want Glendening against Krejci anyway. Lucic and Iggy are both hotheads, so I think Glenny could get to them. With Miller and Helm I think we'd have a decent chance of neutralizing them.

 

I like our kid line (either the Nyquist or Jurco option) against their 3rd or 4th (though I do worry a little about Campbell and Thornton douching it up). I think they could at least make up any shortfall from above and possibly even give us an edge.

 

I'd like to see Datsyuk given enough firepower to beat Bergeron/Chara, as I think whatever we put out against Kelly-Soderberg-Eriksson will be able to hold their own. The other option is to concede the Bergeron matchup and try to exploit Soderberg. But the Bergeron line scores so well I think we need to make it as tough for them on defense as we can.

 

Regardless, it's a hell of a challenge. We're going to need a lot of guys at their best, and probably less than the best from the Bruins.

 


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:51 AM

I still don't get why Babs wants Nyquist and Datsyuk together so bad.  You're putting your two most dynamic scorers on the same line against one of the better shutdown lines in hockey.  Pair this with the fact that they don't play particularly well together and it just doesn't make sense. 


Edited by kipwinger, 16 April 2014 - 12:30 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:28 PM

Can I get McCarty, Lapointe and Maltby on the fourth line, and replace Lashoff with Konstantinov? Sorry, I was just watching the Red Wings hit parade. But I would replace Lashoff with anyone else. Get healthy soon, Ericsson.  



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:36 PM

Legwand has been a good center. but Nashville plays a zone D, Wings play strict man on man. Winger has less to know in the Wing's D system so its an easier transition. Since we dont absolutely need him at C anymore he should be more effective short term on the wing. Not saying leggy has been bad, but it makes sense why he is seeing time as a shutdown winger.

 

(this is the same problem Weiss had defensively, besides other things)



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:19 PM

Abdelkader-Datsyuk-Nyquist
Franzen-Helm-Alfredsson
Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco
Miller-Legwand-Glendening

 

OMG Babcock read my post!!!!! :w00t2:

 

http://www.mlive.com...s_lines_at.html



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:04 PM

Abdelkader should be benched in the playoffs., why?

In the playoffs he takes so many stupid penalties. And a lot of the time they have been costly. Need proof? In the regular season he a penalty once every 3 games. In the playoffs he averages almost a penalty per game. And it's not like they are the 'he saved a goal and took a penalty' types either. They are 'why the hell would you hold a guy in the neutral zone who is 30 feet from the puck' type penalties.


Edited by Shaman, 16 April 2014 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:22 PM

 

Personally I think that Dats, Abby, Alfie could play the Bergeron line even.  I also think the Kid Line would give the Krejci line fits because of it's speed and because Sheahan and Jurco are the biggest and strongest options we've got to play against Lucic and Iginla.  If we could get a wash out of those two and free up a Franzen, Legwand, Nyquist line to play against their third line, I think we could beat them.  And it goes without saying that Miller, Helm, and Glendening would eat their fourth line alive/provide for defensive relief with defensive zone starts for the kids/augmenting the Kindl-Lashoff pairing. 

 

Your thoughts?

If Dats and Alfie can play like Dats and Alfie (or better yet even, slightly younger versions of themselves) I'd say so, and Abby might be able to keep the worst of Marchand in check. The speed of the kids probably would cause some problems, I just don't think they have the defensive chops to keep up. If they got enough help it might work. Mule-Leggy (or Helm)-Gus should be able to beat their 3rd line.

 

No matter how we juggle the lines I think we should be able to get the better of their bottom 6. So if we can beat or break even with their top 6, it should offset their advantage on defense. Then it's a matter of Jimmy vs Rask.

 

Typed out, that last line looks more disheartening than it does in my head.



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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:24 PM

If Dats and Alfie can play like Dats and Alfie (or better yet even, slightly younger versions of themselves) I'd say so, and Abby might be able to keep the worst of Marchand in check. The speed of the kids probably would cause some problems, I just don't think they have the defensive chops to keep up. If they got enough help it might work. Mule-Leggy (or Helm)-Gus should be able to beat their 3rd line.

 

No matter how we juggle the lines I think we should be able to get the better of their bottom 6. So if we can beat or break even with their top 6, it should offset their advantage on defense. Then it's a matter of Jimmy vs Rask.

 

Typed out, that last line looks more disheartening than it does in my head.

 

I've been thinking about that all day.  I hope to god Jimmy has another gear to shift into.  Last year's playoff Jimmy would be nice. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:37 PM

 

OMG Babcock read my post!!!!! :w00t2:

 

http://www.mlive.com...s_lines_at.html

 

I said Boston would best the Wings in 5 games, if these are the lines, better make it 4.


Edited by Shaman, 16 April 2014 - 02:48 PM.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:41 PM

Franzen - Datsyuk - Alfredsson

Abdelkader - Legwand -  Nyquist

Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco

Miller - Glendenning - helm

 

 

Whatever you do, Mike, do NOT touch Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco....


Edited by _SP_, 16 April 2014 - 06:42 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 05:07 PM

I still don't get why Babs wants Nyquist and Datsyuk together so bad.  You're putting your two most dynamic scorers on the same line against one of the better shutdown lines in hockey.  Pair this with the fact that they don't play particularly well together and it just doesn't make sense. 

 

I think we would want Gus and Pav to play as much as possible,so taking that into account I think the only way that would be accomplished is if they play on the same line; and the Kids line plays together that way those two lines will have the most minutes on the ice. 


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:33 AM

Lines at today's practice. 

 

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Forward lines at practice: Abby-Datsyuk-Mule, Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar, Alfie-Helm-Jurco, Miller-Legwand-Glendening #RedWings

 


and now he switched them back  :shout: .... whats going on

 

Babcock reverted back to former lines: Franzen-Datsyuk-Abdelkader, Tatar-Sheahan-Nyquist, Jurco-Helm-Alfredsson, Miller-Glendening-Legwand.

 


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 10:37 AM

We have a shot at beating the B's if we use the line combinations that got us into the playoffs without Z and Dats.  The explosiveness of the kids pays off.  Reverting back to what was not working before they went down is a sure loss.  If this is the lineup then we're in trouble:

 

Franzen-Datsyuk-Abdelkader, Tatar-Sheahan-Nyquist, Jurco-Helm-Alfredsson, Miller-Glendening-Legwand



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:01 AM

I HATE franzen playing with pav! He is sooooo slow and gives absolutely no effort. Nyquist and pav form a much more speedy and skill line and it is speed that we need on every line to beat the bruins. Hope babs plays the lines from yesterday tomorrow.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:04 AM

I HATE franzen playing with pav! He is sooooo slow and gives absolutely no effort. Nyquist and pav form a much more speedy and skill line and it is speed that we need on every line to beat the bruins. Hope babs plays the lines from yesterday tomorrow.

 

Are you predicating this statement on what you wish would happen or what actually happens in reality?  Nyquist does not produce on Datsyuk's wing.  Putting him there is a waste, no matter how much of boner it gives everyone. 

 

To beat Boston we need production, proven production.  This is not the time to try and develop chemistry or teach guys how to play with new linemates. 


Edited by kipwinger, 17 April 2014 - 11:06 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:15 AM

Pav had his best game with nyqust against the blues. Nyquist had many scoring chances as well. If you wanna beat Boston we aren't gonna do it unless pav is our best player.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:17 AM

I'd like to see:

 

Alfredsson-Datsyuk-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Legwand-Franzen

Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco

Miller-Helm-Glendening

 

Don't play Pav+Franzen, and let Nyquist be his lines catalyst. Then roll the 3rd and 4th lines against Bostons and we're just as deep if not deeper then them. (Kelly and Paille are doubtful for Game 1, advantage us.)


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:27 AM

"Playoff" Franzen (if you even want to call him that anymore) better show up or that's a complete waste of Pavel Datsyuk. Abby isn't so bad if Z is on the other wing, but bored Franzen makes that line a wreck.

 
Are you predicating this statement on what you wish would happen or what actually happens in reality?  Nyquist does not produce on Datsyuk's wing.  Putting him there is a waste, no matter how much of boner it gives everyone. 
 
To beat Boston we need production, proven production.  This is not the time to try and develop chemistry or teach guys how to play with new linemates. 


There's a much bigger sample size of Pav and Franzen not clicking than Pav and Gus. Babs has been forcing Pav and Franzen together for years with no real success. Now it's just with Abby, instead of Bertuzzi.
 
 
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