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#181 lomekian

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

 

It would have been nice to have capgeek back then to put everything in and test that theory.  According to all the news outlets, it didn't seem possible.  I know I wasn't ready to ditch a couple key pieces in order to sign both Hossa and Franzen. 

 

I t probably would have required ditching either Rafalski or two lesser players that were deemed important at the time but proved not to be. It would have a big call and a gamble at the time. Of course in hindsight it would have been the right call. I don't blame Holland for not making it as such, but I remember thinking at the time that looking longer term it would have been my choice...Simply because Hossa and Franzen remain assets for considerably longer than others that we kept instead. 


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 03:26 PM

Looking at it rationally at least to me it's really simple:

 

This is the last summer where real buyouts are allowed, if you don't use that it can hurt you. The thing with the Mule is for whatever reason he seems to not really be into it maybe he is still dealing with concussion issues, maybe it is another injury or some personal problem whatever it is, here is the problem:

 

if the guy retries before his contract is up the Wings would be punished for a former legally contract - as an owner I would fight that in court buy anyway - with less available salary off 2 million ...that's two fourth line players

 

I think for a bit more money he can be replaced with a guy like Moulson, who would other than Vanek leave enough room to sign a guy like Niskanen.

 

Granted I'm not a GM but these would exactly be my thought process of course the owner has to accept the millions ist would cost so who knows.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:36 PM

Would you buyout a 50-60 pt player at 4 million?

In his case yes.

He's going on 35, with 5 more years on his contract. He's declining, and will continue to do so, plain, and simple. Will he be worth 4 million per year at 38-40 years old? Highly doubt it. If you're lucky you may get one more 50 point season out of him. Keep in mind he's never had more than 59 points in a season. He's also had quite a few injuries over the last few years, including concussions.

Besides the reasons I've listed above, he is lazy, and unreliable.

Tell me, if you were the GM of another team, what would you give up to get Franzen?

Edited by RedFlag85, 28 April 2014 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:14 PM

@asktheduffer: Dany Heatley, the Canadian Franzen, has scored for #wild tonight. First playoff G since 2011.

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I love it when beat writers throw shade.

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 07:48 AM

More Franzen hate fuel:

 

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

 

...this can also be more Holland hate fuel also!



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:18 AM

More Franzen hate fuel:
 
http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads
 
...this can also be more Holland hate fuel also!


Hossa is a beast. Franzen has moments, but Hossa plays great the majority of the time.

#187 Dave

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:30 AM

I like how everyone is talking about s*** from 5 years ago because this current team is rather boring.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:38 AM

I like how everyone is talking about s*** from 5 years ago because this current team is rather boring.

 

Simple.... because you DON'T ever let a proven player like Hossa slip through your fingers EVER!!!! He is a career superstar! Franzen at the time looked like he could be but was still relatively unknown.... Worst Ken Holland mistake to date in my opinion.

 

Hurts even more because we know first hand that even when Hoss isn't scoring he is a wicked defensive player as well where Franzen is completely invisible and contributes nothing in his very loong down periods


Edited by The Secret, 06 May 2014 - 08:40 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:44 AM

 

Simple.... because you DON'T ever let a proven player like Hossa slip through your fingers EVER!!!! He is a career superstar! Franzen at the time looked like he could be but was still relatively unknown.... Worst Ken Holland mistake to date in my opinion.

 

Hurts even more because we know first hand that even when Hoss isn't scoring he is a wicked defensive player as well where Franzen is completely invisible and contributes nothing in his very loong down periods

 

None of this hasn't been said before. This is the same post over and over and over and over and over and over.....



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:41 AM

 
Simple.... because you DON'T ever let a proven player like Hossa slip through your fingers EVER!!!! He is a career superstar! Franzen at the time looked like he could be but was still relatively unknown.... Worst Ken Holland mistake to date in my opinion.
 
Hurts even more because we know first hand that even when Hoss isn't scoring he is a wicked defensive player as well where Franzen is completely invisible and contributes nothing in his very loong down periods


Lol. Hossa is good. He's no superstar though. People around here act like we let ovechkin walk or Crosby. Let it go!! 5 years

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 11:30 AM

 

None of this hasn't been said before. This is the same post over and over and over and over and over and over.....

 

and over and over and over... and will be continued to be said over and over while Hoss is being his consistent productive self and Franzen continues to blow big balls and waste a roster spot. Hossa is fast, strong, shoots, scores, plays defense and has the ability to carry the team from time to time, shows up every game.... all for roughly the same salary as Franzen.


Lol. Hossa is good. He's no superstar though. People around here act like we let ovechkin walk or Crosby. Let it go!! 5 years

 

I think he is a superstar, look at his stats... maybe not Crosby level but I would take Hossa everyday over Ovechkin!


Edited by The Secret, 06 May 2014 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 11:41 AM

 
and over and over and over... and will be continued to be said over and over while Hoss is being his consistent productive self and Franzen continues to blow big balls and waste a roster spot. Hossa is fast, strong, shoots, scores, plays defense and has the ability to carry the team from time to time, shows up every game.... all for roughly the same salary as Franzen.

 
I think he is a superstar, look at his stats... maybe not Crosby level but I would take Hossa everyday over Ovechkin!


Hossa is not a superstar, that's not opinion. It's fact

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 11:42 AM

Hossa is not a superstar, that's not opinion. It's fact


Superstar? Probably not. Hossa is absolutely an elite two-way forward, though.
 
 
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Posted 06 May 2014 - 12:40 PM

Superstar? Probably not. Hossa is absolutely an elite two-way forward, though.


I can agree with that

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 01:07 PM

In his case yes.

He's going on 35, with 5 more years on his contract. He's declining, and will continue to do so, plain, and simple. Will he be worth 4 million per year at 38-40 years old? Highly doubt it. If you're lucky you may get one more 50 point season out of him. Keep in mind he's never had more than 59 points in a season. He's also had quite a few injuries over the last few years, including concussions.

Besides the reasons I've listed above, he is lazy, and unreliable.

Tell me, if you were the GM of another team, what would you give up to get Franzen?

 

Franzen has trade value. I don't want to speculate on what he'd net in a trade bc it's so subjective, but he definitely has value.

 

keep in mind he's been on pace for over 60 pts more than a a few times as well. A guy who plays around a 60 pt pace is well worth 4 million to a lot of teams. Yes his contract is long, but why buy him out now? Buy him out when he actually hits 38 or 39 and completely drops off, if he does. Buying him out now is beyond ridiculous.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 06:11 PM

Hossa got 30/30/60 this year with +28. That tops every Red Wings player. Arguing superstar vs. Elite is semantics. Arguing Franzen vs. Hossa, though, is laughable. Hossa is the dominant player by a wide margin.

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 06:25 PM

Hossa got 30/30/60 this year with +28. That tops every Red Wings player. Arguing superstar vs. Elite is semantics. Arguing Franzen vs. Hossa, though, is laughable. Hossa is the dominant player by a wide margin.

 

This is very accurate.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 06:31 PM

 

This is very accurate.

And depressing.


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 06:44 PM

define superstar?  It is a subjective standard, so saying Hossa is a superstar is not wrong.  It's not like saying he is a top 5 player in the NHL or something along those lines.

 

Pretty sure he is going to be a Hall of Famer



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 07:16 PM

I doubt he will be a hall of famer, but you never know. I consider superstars to be franchise players, guys like Stamkos, Malkin, The Sedins in 2012, and Crosby (as much as i hate him)

 

Hossa could be considered elite, but superstar he is not







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