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#261 cnot19

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 09:09 PM

I'm a little tired of his "pace" numbers and cap hit I think he can be replaced by someone more physical and consistent
Get me a real fourth line Kenny!

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 09:59 PM

Franzen needs to be playing 2nd line or 3rd line next year.



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 10:51 PM

Franzen needs to be playing 2nd line or 3rd line next year.

 

For a team without the winged wheel on its uniform. 


Edited by GoWings1905, 28 May 2014 - 10:51 PM.

 
 
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Posted 28 May 2014 - 11:03 PM

YES!

When he isn't scoring he is doing NOTHING.

When vanek isn't scoring he still tries and outs pressure on the opposing team.

Did you watch Vanek much in the playoffs? When that guy wasn't scoring he was a detriment. While my feelings on Franzen are mixed, I do think he's pretty good defensively and a better playmaker than he gets credit for.

Edited by Wheelchairsuperhero, 28 May 2014 - 11:04 PM.


#265 Richdg

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 08:50 AM

 

For a team without the winged wheel on its uniform. 

Ditto. But would he do it? Or would he quit and go home? Keep in mind, most of his time missed last year wasn't because of an injury, it was because of his mental/emotional issues. Hurt feelings, sense of not being worthy, or whatever his stuff is (and I am not making light of mental health issues), which seems to flare up when we need him the most.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 09:07 AM

LOL, "most of his time missed last year wasn't because of an injury"... You're kidding right?... So I guess that concussion he had was just an excuse for his "mental illness" right? This "mental/emotional issue" that you speak of is completely rumor based and pure speculation by some half ass beat writer. Have you ever heard this out of Johan's mouth or even out of the coaches or general managers mouth? If so, I would love to see a link. I don't believe that Franzen has any more s*** going on in the way of "hurt feeling" or social anxiety or the sort, more than any of the other billions in the world. Everyone has their s*** and Franzen is no different, but to say that he would quit his job because of this is absurd.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 09:26 AM

LOL, "most of his time missed last year wasn't because of an injury"... You're kidding right?... So I guess that concussion he had was just an excuse for his "mental illness" right? This "mental/emotional issue" that you speak of is completely rumor based and pure speculation by some half ass beat writer. Have you ever heard this out of Johan's mouth or even out of the coaches or general managers mouth? If so, I would love to see a link. I don't believe that Franzen has any more s*** going on in the way of "hurt feeling" or social anxiety or the sort, more than any of the other billions in the world. Everyone has their s*** and Franzen is no different, but to say that he would quit his job because of this is absurd.

 

Actually Rich's statement was true. Franzen missed far too many games when not injured. I also don't want to downplay how serious mental issues can be, but as a hockey players who's getting paid millions to play, you have to push through whatever you're going through and play.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 09:31 AM

Again, if you're going to state that he missed time while not being injured as fact, a link would help. Every game Franzen missed was due to injury. He missed over 20 games to a concussion, so unless you're saying that being concussed was the mental issue he was facing.....



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 09:56 AM

Franzen has not been a top 6 forward since 2009. Maybe on this team he ranks as a top 6 guy (until this season when the kids take over,) but around the league he is not.  I am not blindfully hateful, just not wearing rose glasses.
 
he was chosen to be "The Man" over Hossa, and at first I was on board (mad we lost Hossa, but still on board.)  He quickly turned into a pud after his "serious contract" and hasn't gotten anywhere near the power forward he was in 08-09.  Holland gambled on him and he turned to mush. 1000% positive if Holland had an inkling of what Franzen would turn into, he would have signed Hossa.


How many teams have 6 players better than Franzen?

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#270 LeftWinger

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:01 AM

How many teams have 6 players better than Franzen?

30


Bring Fedorov Home For A Day!

 

He Needs To Retire A Red Wing.

 

When Gordie Leaves Us, the NHL MUST Retire The #9.


#271 Richdg

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:04 AM

LOL, "most of his time missed last year wasn't because of an injury"... You're kidding right?... So I guess that concussion he had was just an excuse for his "mental illness" right? This "mental/emotional issue" that you speak of is completely rumor based and pure speculation by some half ass beat writer. Have you ever heard this out of Johan's mouth or even out of the coaches or general managers mouth? If so, I would love to see a link. I don't believe that Franzen has any more s*** going on in the way of "hurt feeling" or social anxiety or the sort, more than any of the other billions in the world. Everyone has their s*** and Franzen is no different, but to say that he would quit his job because of this is absurd.

To debate the value of Franzen is fine, but to come on here and deny that Franzen has anxiety issues that yes he has, Holland has, his teammates, and every writer that covers the RW's all talk about makes you look a little naive or very new to the RW's team. These issues have been going on for years and have been talked about by EVERYONE for years. This is not something new.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:25 AM

LeftWinger, start naming... I would love to hear them lol.

 

Richdg, I've been a Wings fan probably longer than you've been in this world but whatever. For the THIRD time, I would love to see a reputable source that has said that Franzen has a mental health issue, meaning a quote directly from Franzen himself. I highly doubt there is one. In fact, I've read an interview with Franzen where he was asked that specific question and he denied it, laughed and asked where people come up with their information, but I cannot come up with a link either so I guess I'm just as bad as yourself...

These issues have been rumored for years and I've yet to hear anyone part of the Wings organization address it directly.

And as I said before, even if he is going through some s***, how is that any different from the rest of us? To suggest he would quit his job is ridiculous...



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:31 AM

I know he went through a lot of anxiety issues when he first came over to North America but to say he is suffering from mental health issues is beyond me... But the biggest beef I have is that you think he will call his career quits because of this and that you claim that he wasn't injured this past season... Crazy


Edited by krsmith17, 29 May 2014 - 10:33 AM.


#274 LeftWinger

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:34 AM

krsmith17.....do I really need to name them?  I answered 30 teams have 6 guys that are better....so 30 teams means ALL....hell I will even say 31 teams and add in there Grand Rapids.


Bring Fedorov Home For A Day!

 

He Needs To Retire A Red Wing.

 

When Gordie Leaves Us, the NHL MUST Retire The #9.


#275 krsmith17

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:48 AM

I meant name the 6 players on these "30 teams"... Not name the 30 teams...

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:53 AM

To debate the value of Franzen is fine, but to come on here and deny that Franzen has anxiety issues that yes he has, Holland has, his teammates, and every writer that covers the RW's all talk about makes you look a little naive or very new to the RW's team. These issues have been going on for years and have been talked about by EVERYONE for years. This is not something new.

Really? Everyone's been talking about it for years?

 

I'd wager that 95% of the people here hadn't even heard mention of it until this year, and even most of those that read the 2009 article the speculation is based on had probably forgotten about it.

 

The whole thing started because Franzen gave a cryptic answer when asked about his injury, and some dips*** writer dug up a 4+ year old translated interview of Franzen talking about the social anxiety he dealt with early in his career in Sweden. Your assertion that his issues are affecting his game or causing him to miss time is 100% speculation.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:56 AM

I know he went through a lot of anxiety issues when he first came over to North America but to say he is suffering from mental health issues is beyond me... But the biggest beef I have is that you think he will call his career quits because of this and that you claim that he wasn't injured this past season... Crazy

Predates that, since you asked here is some reading:

 

http://blog.mlive.co...gs_forward.html

 

http://kuklaskorner....ranzens-ailment

 

Now there are many other news reports, blogs, opinions by the beat writers etc.... That can be listed. It is fact that Franzen has social anxiety disorder. It is also fact that when he was out in Nov/Dec it WAS NOT DO TO A CONCUSSION. That happened later. It is true that no one knows for sure what was wrong with Franzen. Even he admitted he was sure if it was sickness, injury, mental or whatever.....


Really? Everyone's been talking about it for years?

 

I'd wager that 95% of the people here hadn't even heard mention of it until this year, and even most of those that read the 2009 article the speculation is based on had probably forgotten about it.

 

The whole thing started because Franzen gave a cryptic answer when asked about his injury, and some dips*** writer dug up a 4+ year old translated interview of Franzen talking about the social anxiety he dealt with early in his career in Sweden. Your assertion that his issues are affecting his game or causing him to miss time is 100% speculation.

Yes the story were he admitted it. Things like that don't go away. People learn to live with it, and from time to time fail and need to work on it again.

Yes people have talked about it with Franzen for years. hell last winter he was out, no one knew why-even he didn't. When asked if it was injury or sickness he answered "I don't know".



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:02 AM

To debate the value of Franzen is fine, but to come on here and deny that Franzen has anxiety issues that yes he has, Holland has, his teammates, and every writer that covers the RW's all talk about makes you look a little naive or very new to the RW's team. These issues have been going on for years and have been talked about by EVERYONE for years. This is not something new.

 

There have been talks of him having these issues in the past, but not while he missed time this past season.

 

Here are a couple articles:

 

http://prohockeytalk...-miss-olympics/

http://www.mlive.com...zen_withdr.html

http://redwings.nhl....s.htm?id=696164

http://www.usatoday....covery/4407405/


Edited by Rick D, 29 May 2014 - 11:05 AM.

Eff Chicago

Eff Boston


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:15 AM

Lol he missed 4 games last Novemeber due to "illness" and you're going to assume it was due to his "mental health"... No, it absolutely couldn't have been a flu or anything of the sort, it had to be something "mental"... I'm well aware of those articles, I've read both, but where does that 2009 article state why he was out due to "mental illness" in 2013-14?...

I've watched close to every single Franzen interview since he entered the league and he tends to be quite the smart ass when answering questions, so I would be willing to bet his answer of "I don't know" when asked about why he was out of the lineup was just another smart ass remark, in other words, "no comment"...



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 11:16 AM

Predates that, since you asked here is some reading:
 
http://blog.mlive.co...gs_forward.html
 
http://kuklaskorner....ranzens-ailment
 
Now there are many other news reports, blogs, opinions by the beat writers etc.... That can be listed. It is fact that Franzen has social anxiety disorder. It is also fact that when he was out in Nov/Dec it WAS NOT DO TO A CONCUSSION. That happened later. It is true that no one knows for sure what was wrong with Franzen. Even he admitted he was sure if it was sickness, injury, mental or whatever.....

Yes the story were he admitted it. Things like that don't go away. People learn to live with it, and from time to time fail and need to work on it again.
Yes people have talked about it with Franzen for years. hell last winter he was out, no one knew why-even he didn't. When asked if it was injury or sickness he answered "I don't know".


Did you even read those articles? They are about his "boyhood" social anxiety, not last year. In fact the first makes it sound like coming to Detroit helped him grow out of his childhood shyness. Malik also clearly states that he cannot confirm Franzens current mental state or if he missed time due to it, only that he had social anxiety as a kid.

Did you think we didn't or wouldn't read those links? They don't prove your point whatsoever.

Your stats were an absolute joke too, but we'll ignore that won't we DG...

LeftWinger, list 6 guys better than Franzen on each team.





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