gdt ECQF - Game 5 - Red Wings at Bruins - 3:00 PM EST

[Dabura 12,207]

No team in any sport is a contender every single year. It just doesn't happen. Players age, injuries happen, salary caps and Free Agency limits, low draft picks make having any kind of 40 year dynasty impossible.

I never really liked the Hockeytown thing for this very reason. It was trolling the hockey gods.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Nice save monster

[ShanahanMan 473]

Can they at least pretend they have a little offense?

[Firehawk 305]

Need speed thru the nuetral zone. Can't stand around

[dirtydangles 1,328]

This kid line has been so bad - time to move nyquist to 1st line or alfie to 1st line and sprinkle some vets with the kids.

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

This team has sent me into such a desperate depression that I am now eating a chocolate bar with bacon inside of it.

I'm a vegetarian, and that sounds amazing. I think that's also a sign of depression.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

That's funny. Pittsburgh and Chicago have seemed to be a contender every year since 08. Boston pretty close as well.

Boston is the most impressive, because Chicago and Pittsburgh sucked for years to get high draft picks as their best players.

Boston built their team through draft, trades and free agency. Chiarelli is the best in the business right now.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Doesn't matter if someone is better. That's not why teams make coaching changes.

The Ducks fired Babcock and won the Cup a few years later. Does that mean he was a bad coach? No. But sometimes you have to make a change to freshen things up. This team needs some kind of a change in its philosophy. It won't just come with getting rid of old players (they're all scratched anyway) and calling up more kids from GR. Something more is needed in the attitude of the organization. The complacency and lack of accountability is not a good thing.

That just feels like making a change for the sake of changing something so there's new things to talk about.

Babcock is hardly a coach who isn't big on accountability.

This team has so much dead weight to shed there could potentially be a lot of new blood for Babcock to work with if Holland actually makes some moves.

[vladdy16 2,154]

Doesn't matter if someone is better. That's not why teams make coaching changes.

The Ducks fired Babcock and won the Cup a few years later. Does that mean he was a bad coach? No. But sometimes you have to make a change to freshen things up. This team needs some kind of a change in its philosophy. It won't just come with getting rid of old players (they're all scratched anyway) and calling up more kids from GR. Something more is needed in the attitude of the organization. The complacency and lack of accountability is not a good thing.

The Ducks didn't fire Babcock - he declined their offer to renew his contract to come here.

[Dabura 12,207]

I wish we had a power forward.

[Marty Barry 230]

Gotta move leggy up.

[brett 1,029]

not even close to getting a scoring opportunity

[AtomicPunk 296]

Boston traded Phil Kessel AND Tyler Seguin and lost Tim Thomas and they're still this good. Think about THAT.

[Firehawk 305]

Come on guys find a way

[Dabura 12,207]

This kid line has been so bad - time to move nyquist to 1st line or alfie to 1st line and sprinkle some vets with the kids.

I've never liked the Nyquist version of the kid line. Jurco's essential to that whole dynamic.

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

That just feels like making a change for the sake of changing something so there's new things to talk about.

Babcock is hardly a coach who isn't big on accountability.

This team has so much dead weight to shed there could potentially be a lot of new blood for Babcock to work with if Holland actually makes some moves.

So you don't think Babcock is equally responsible for the bad moves or lack of moves Holland has made over the years?

Sounds like many people here think Holland is operating without input from Babcock. I doubt it. Babcock is just as responsible, imo.

[CaliforniaWingsFan 464]

I think Eaves has been decent this series not great though....oh that's David Legwand? One of the Predators best players in their history? Wow...funny.

[Tr!PoD#19 524]

I wish we had a power forward.

Abdelk-

Nevermind

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Of course not. But when you have players like Datsyuk and Zetterberg still in their primes, you have to take advantage of that. Holland and Babcock could have done more to stop this team's decline over the years. It helps them that no pressure was felt from the ownership to keep things going. Once again, no accountability.

It's so bad that there's talk of promoting Holland in the organization, even though the team has declined steadily under him over the years. Why should Holland be promoted?

It's not Babcock's job to stop the roster from declining. That's Holland's.

otherwise I agree completely. Holland wasted Nicks last years when Dats and Z were in their prime.

Holland should have kept his joking promise and retired when Lidstrom did. Because he clearly didn't plan for a post-Listdrom era.

[SaCkaveli20 275]

Ladies and gentleman, the curse of Todd Bertuzzi is alive and well. Once he is off the active roster, we'll be relevant again.

[Firehawk 305]

We are jyst too slow.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Monster keeping the team in it

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

The Ducks didn't fire Babcock - he declined their offer to renew his contract to come here.

Oh yeah.

Well, they still won the Cup a few years later, though. With a roster different than the one he built. So a change helped them, and not because babcock is a bad coach.

[ShanahanMan 473]

This is pathetic

[Guest Playmaker]

That's funny. Pittsburgh and Chicago have seemed to be a contender every year since 08. Boston pretty close as well.

Okay, and the Wings were contenders for 10 years too. But all of those teams also went through extended periods of not making the playoffs before that.