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#61 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:24 AM

Oh god I'm so sick of the Jarnkrok talk already

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:36 AM

Oh god I'm so sick of the Jarnkrok talk already

 

Most people are, so it's best to just ignore it, since it's not going away anytime soon. 


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:31 AM

 

Most people are, so it's best to just ignore it, since it's not going away anytime soon. 

 

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:57 AM

Am I the only one who remembers when everyone said the reason we didn't have success was because Babs changed the lines too much? Now y'all think he doesn't change them enough.
Ugh.

Related to the Legwand trade, yea I still think it was worth it.

 
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 06:53 AM

 so...bring in Larionov and watch us soar!

 

I agree! hubba hubba!

 

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wait.. wrong Larionov? How does the other one look in a lowcut blouse? haha


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:10 AM

Yes, without him we may not have got into the playoffs.  We were ravaged by injuries and desperately needed a C.  We only just squeeked in as the 8th seed as it was.

 

That we would get ROFLstomped by the Bruins, and Legwand would end up as the 4th line RW could not have been forseen.  The most important thing is to make it to the dance - you can't win the raffle if you won't buy a ticket.

 

Plus, there's the rumours of pressure from the Ilitch's to make the playoffs for $$$ reasons.  Even a first round exit is worth about $4M.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:48 AM

Except for nailing Malkin in the nuts. 

 

Are you implying Legwand is a Terminator, sent from the future to prevent Evgeni Malkin from being able to impregnate Sarah Connors of Stanley Cup of Chowder?


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:06 AM

I think it was worth it.  If he re-signs and Weiss gets healthy then the roster looks a bit better.  I think Holland should take a VERY hard look at using the 2nd compliance buyout on Franzen.  No reason to buy-out Tootoo to save $1.9 mil for one season when you could save $3.9 mil for the next hundred years.

 

Even with the potential of Jarnkrok, I think it's still too early to tell on this deal.  It's probably best to reserve judgement until Legwand plays a full season with the Wings (assuming he comes back).



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:13 AM

So according to NHL.com Legwand only played more than 15 minutes twice in 5 games. The other 3 games his minutes were 11, 12, and 13 minutes.

 

Nope, not worth the trade. You gave up a good prospect, 2nd round pick, and a early round 1st round pick if we missed the playoffs. 



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:14 AM

Legwand will not be back... and we gave them Zetterberg 2.0 for a rental...

Kenny is saying one thing and doing opposite...

 

I am still trying to figure out why some people here think that he was Zetterberg 2.0 with just 12 games of NHL experience under his belt.  Are people that dilluted to think that he is an elite NHL player at this stage in his career?  There are many players who started off great in the first 20 games and then turned out to be average NHL players or not around the league after that.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:22 AM

I am still trying to figure out why some people here think that he was Zetterberg 2.0 with just 12 games of NHL experience under his belt.  Are people that dilluted to think that he is an elite NHL player at this stage in his career?  There are many players who started off great in the first 20 games and then turned out to be average NHL players or not around the league after that.

 

No one's saying he's Zetterberg. They're saying he could ultimately rise to that level. That's his projection, and I don't think it's very far off. The issue, of course, is that the Wings' prospect development is second to none, so I'm not sure he's going to reach his full potential in Nashville's system. Then everyone will say SEE. HE'S NOT ZETTERBERG. YOU FOOLS.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:30 AM

 

No one's saying he's Zetterberg. They're saying he could ultimately rise to that level. That's his projection, and I don't think it's very far off. The issue, of course, is that the Wings' prospect development is second to none, so I'm not sure he's going to reach his full potential in Nashville's system. Then everyone will say SEE. HE'S NOT ZETTERBERG. YOU FOOLS.

 

On the contrary, there are people here saying he is Zetterberg 2.0.  I could quote about 8 posts easily in this thread from users who geniunely believe he is and are saying so.  There is a big difference in the wording, which is key.  You put it very accurately in that he has the potential.  To say without a doubt that he is an elite player is really a desperate assumption at this stage.

 

As you so elequantly pointed out though, the farm systems are entirely different.  That does have a factor in his development.

 

From my standpoint, there are players that do well in one organization and then do poorly.  Look at Jonathan Cheechoo who won the goal scoring race back in the day.  Now he is mired in the AHL probably for good.  Its tough to tell who is going to pan out.  He isn't Zetterberg 2.0.  He may develop into that, but it won't be established for a couple years at least.


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#73 BuckeyeWingsfan80

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:43 AM

Nope.  Not worth it.


Don't take it from fans on LGW, take it from his peers. NHL players have spoken and they think Tootoo is the dirtiest player in the league.

Get a clue already.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:25 AM

No, Holland way over paid



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:58 AM

It's hard for me to remain objective on this one, because I was opposed to the trade from the very beginning.  There is no way to know, with any certainty, whether we would have made the playoffs without him.  However, based on Legwand and Ironhook's production after the trade, I think it is very likely that we would have made the playoffs either way. 

 

I'm going to say it wasn't worth it.  Everytime a new player has a slow start, we always hear how he's adjusting to the system.  Irhonhook was already familiar with our system, because he played it, under Blashill.  I don't think the outcome in the playoffs would have been any different.  But, it's just bad strategy, at this stage of rebuilding, to trade players with potential for players on the decline.  With the way we use centers, we could find a place for him.  If he does go to Sweden, we will probably get sanctioned for negotiating in bad faith.

 

This does not mean it was the wrong move, at the time (even though I think it was).  None of us know what information the front-office was privy to when the trade was made.  That being said, I think kenny was just too scared to put another rookie in that position.  Ever since LA won, Kenny's mantra has been "we just need to get in."  He probably felt we had a legitimate chance to make a run, and he trusted a vet more than a young guy. 

 

To those of you saying "get over it"; don't read the thread.  If we should get over something just because it's done, that would eliminate the whole purpose of a forum.  If you want to defend the trade, please do. 



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:12 PM

Negotiating in bad faith?   Huh?   How would you prove we knew about some secret desire jarnkrok had to go to Sweden and we prevented the Preds from hearing about it when it was discussed in the news at the time of the trade?



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:43 PM

My god who cares about a streak. It's cool don't get me wrong but what's better.

Braves winning the division like 20 straight years AND INE CHAMPIONSHIP or the Yankees who have like 27.

You don't play sports to JUST make the playoffs. It's all about the championships. Now if your Columbus and you make playoffs...ya you can be excited cause you haven't experienced it before.

I'm a wings steelers tigers and michigan fan. It's championship or bust every year. I watched michigan lose their streak. Ya it sucked...but who cares EVERYONE experiences a transition at some point. CHAMPIONSHIP OR BUST.

 

The Wings management cares.

 

I also think that after 23 years, you don't give up on such an impressive streak when your team supposedly has good depth in the minors. If trading away one prospect ruins this team's future, the team is in a lot more trouble than any of us knows.


 

No one's saying he's Zetterberg. They're saying he could ultimately rise to that level. That's his projection, and I don't think it's very far off. The issue, of course, is that the Wings' prospect development is second to none, so I'm not sure he's going to reach his full potential in Nashville's system. Then everyone will say SEE. HE'S NOT ZETTERBERG. YOU FOOLS.

 

This is a little wishy-washy. He "could ultimately rise" to Zetterberg's level, but probably not in the Nashville system.

 

As for the comparisons, someone named Jarnkrok "Zetterberg 2.0" just last night on these boards. Not only will the young man with 12 NHL games become as good as Z, he will become a new and improved version! Look out Wayne Gretzky's records!



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:52 PM

Jarnkrok is a nice prospect...but how many years in a row do you have to be told "get stronger" before the people telling you that start to wonder if you can?    



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:53 PM

Negotiating in bad faith?   Huh?   How would you prove we knew about some secret desire jarnkrok had to go to Sweden and we prevented the Preds from hearing about it when it was discussed in the news at the time of the trade?

 

People were saying he was considering going back to Sweden, within minutes of the trade going through.  I don't think it's true, but if he does go to Sweden, I would say that is pretty good evidence that someone was aware of his intentions.  I think the whole going to Sweden thing was to take heat off of the front-office.  A lot of people use Jarnkrok's potential exit as  justification for the trade.  That's why I addressed the possibility of bad faith.



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:03 PM

Legwand helped us get into the playoffs. He was invisible though in the playoffs. 

 

So I don't know maybe yes???







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