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#1 Richdg

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:12 PM

Just wondering which everyone thinks is the better option.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:19 PM

Neither is likely to get you very far, depending on how you want to define great and average.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:53 PM

I'd go with neither. You need a complete team to go the distance. 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:56 PM

I've always felt strong team defense with 'decent' talent up front can win the Cup...Won't be the most exciting team to watch, but then again if you win the Cup how bad could it be?



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:05 PM

I've always felt strong team defense with 'decent' talent up front can win the Cup...Won't be the most exciting team to watch, but then again if you win the Cup how bad could it be?

How's that working for the rangers?

Both Pitt, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, la have good balance when they all won.

So balance is key IMO. But I also feel you do need some stars up front more so than defense. Teams that win seem to have an awesome top 6 and a decent bottom 6. Then defense need a great shutdown pair.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:09 PM

I'm sure I'll be in the minority but I'd rather have great forwards and average defense with the caveat of having an above average goalie and the forwards are responsible on defense.  Based on this series against Boston, if you can't score no matter how good your defense plays, you're still gonna lose.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:17 PM

The reason I ask is because right now we don't have either. Nor do we have enough pieces to have both for a couple more years. So for us to improve-and maybe this is the better question, which do we spend our assets on? Do we strengthen the BL group even if it means weakening our forwards, or build up the forwards and play with what we have on D. Not an easy choice.

 

For us to have a great D we need a true top pair guy. To get such a guy is going to cost several of our good young forwards. Just as an example....... The Kings call and offer up Doughty but want Nyquist, tatar, and Sproul in return. Would you do it?

 

OR

 

Snow calls and offers up tavaras for the same package.

 

Now neither is going to happen. But I think you all understand the question I am asking.


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#8 DeGraa55

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:23 PM

I'm sure I'll be in the minority but I'd rather have great forwards and average defense with the caveat of having an above average goalie and the forwards are responsible on defense.  Based on this series against Boston, if you can't score no matter how good your defense plays, you're still gonna lose.


And in the last several years team have won with that formula. That's what I voted for.

#9 Hockeymom1960

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:43 PM

I still believe in the theory that offense wins games but defense wins championships.


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#10 DeGraa55

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:48 PM

I still believe in the theory that offense wins games but defense wins championships.


Pissburg
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Boston
LA
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:54 PM

Those are great teams-in both ends. But which is more important? if you win a game say 4-1, what was the reason you won? the fact that you scored 4 goals or the fact that you gave up 1? yes tall grass stuff I understand. But there is a reason why in most sports people will tell you "defense wins championships".



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:56 PM

How's that working for the rangers?

Both Pitt, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, la have good balance when they all won.

So balance is key IMO. But I also feel you do need some stars up front more so than defense. Teams that win seem to have an awesome top 6 and a decent bottom 6. Then defense need a great shutdown pair.

I don't follow the Rangers - however I have heard about that Lunqvist fella between the pipes...But seriously - I haven't heard about the Rangers having a 'stellar' defense.


Pissburg
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Boston
LA
say different.

I could say the same about the NJ Devils, but since that was so many moons ago.....



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#13 DeGraa55

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:33 PM

I don't follow the Rangers - however I have heard about that Lunqvist fella between the pipes...But seriously - I haven't heard about the Rangers having a 'stellar' defense.

I could say the same about the NJ Devils, but since that was so many moons ago.....


Well I agree the devils and wings for example won with balance and good/great goal contending but that was before the cap. After the cap it's the team that prioritize offense and having a really good top 6 that are winning the cup most.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:34 PM

Ask the predators how this worked for them...

 

I think you need to put up goals and have a decent D - and a good goalie to make saves. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:37 PM

Well I agree the devils and wings for example won with balance and good/great goal contending but that was before the cap. After the cap it's the team that prioritize offense and having a really good top 6 that are winning the cup most.

Well - I agree with what you wrote above.....However - the op's question was more or less 'one or the other'...

 

Defense with great goaltending but mediocre offense or great offense with mediocre defense and goaltending....There's nothing about balance...I'll stick with what I said earlier - strong D, and goaltending.



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#16 DeGraa55

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:39 PM

[quote name="F.Michael" post="2517490" timestamp="1398573452"]

Well - I agree with what you wrote above.....However - the op's question was more or less 'one or the other'...
 
Defense with great goaltending but mediocre offense or great offense with mediocre defense and goaltending....There's nothing about balance...I'll stick with what I said earlier - strong D, and goaltending.[/quote

That's fine...I'll stick with what is winning cups :). Also it says nothing about goaltending just offense/defense.


Which IMO is most important is you NEED. A good goalie. A Howard rinne lundquist quick etc etc

Edited by DeGraa55, 26 April 2014 - 11:40 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:41 PM

[quote name="F.Michael" post="2517490" timestamp="1398573452"]

Well - I agree with what you wrote above.....However - the op's question was more or less 'one or the other'...
 
Defense with great goaltending but mediocre offense or great offense with mediocre defense and goaltending....There's nothing about balance...I'll stick with what I said earlier - strong D, and goaltending.[/quote

That's fine...I'll stick with what is winning cups :). Also it says nothing about goaltending just offense/defense.

I'm assuming great defense with an exceptional netminder...But maybe that wasn't the op's intent?



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:44 PM

Ask the predators how this worked for them...
 
I think you need to put up goals and have a decent D - and a good goalie to make saves. 


Predators have never had even an average offense. Their best offensive forward just played on our 4th line.

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:53 PM

Those aren't great choices, you need a combination of great/good players on both sides of the puck as well as a big time goalie. 


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:25 AM

I still believe in the theory that offense wins games but defense wins championships.

Pissburg
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Boston
LA
say different.


I don't get what you are trying to say. All of those teams except for maybe Pittsburgh had Championship caliber defence and goaltending when they won.

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