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#41 frankgrimes

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:00 PM

 

While I get what your saying, its also a wildly accepted practice to allow coaches/assistants, to interview for positions in other organizations that are better then their current one.  

 

Basically yes but Blashill said he wants to coach another season in the AHL and the FO is happy with him. Conversations would then be like this:

 

other GM: Hello Mr. Holland can I please get your permission to talk to your AHL coach ?

Holland: Sure thing, number...

other GM: Hello Mr. Blashill you've done a great job in the AHL and paid your dues would you like to come up and sign with us ?

Blashill: Sorry, I like my job here and don't feel I'm ready.

other GM: but b....but

 

This way there is no grey area, Blashill can focus on his AHL job and other teams know he doesn't want to leave, so no reason for granting them permission. In the last years Detroit has been one of the teams, which always allowed others to talk to their FO stuff (McLellan, Yzerman, Nill, MacLean..). So it's not like the Wings are against it, Holland just sees no reason and it seems like Blashill wants to stay where he is so a no brainer.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:00 PM

I don't care if we lose Babcock or not, and I also wouldn't want to resign Legwand for $5M, but there is no way he will be our #4 center anyhow.  Whatever, I just think since we gave up a ton (in comparison to others on Trade Day) that Legwand should at least be in the immediate future plans for a couple of seasons...but again, not at $5M.

 

I do not like that they say that hey are going to build the D from within...I do like our kids, but I just think we need a vet or two to bridge the gap while the kids gain experience. BUT, I do feel that Marchenko, Sproul and Ouellet are going good solid players and am excited to see their progress.  If they aren't going to bolster their D with better NHL players, then they damn well better convince Howard to waive his NTC because he proved this season that he cannot make the save when needed and needs a BETTER defense in front of him, not a greener one... Damn Holland, you are going to have $20M available and you want to fill you roster full of rookies? Why save the cap Kenny, so you can acquire that player at the deadline? Give us all a break!

 

I think the Wings might have been a little disappointed overall in Legwand... he had some really good games when he first got here and showed some flashes after that, but for the most part, he played his way down to 4th-line wing.  I can't see the Wings being excited to bring him back (even after what they gave up to get him) and I can't see him rushing to sign here and play 4th-line minutes again (even though he's a local and had wanted to be here).  Had he produced more, I wouldn't have been surprised to hear that the Wings wanted him back...

And I agree with you on the D, they really do need a vet for a year or two, someone solid and responsible.  I do want to see Sproul, Marchenko, Ouellet, and maybe the other guys, but don't want to have to rely on them just yet.

 

 

It seems like the organization is talking out of both sides of its mouth... they are going to build from within (so, YOUTH) but they expect to be much better and make a deep run in the playoffs next year.  Are they "blaming" the 93-point, 8th place finish and the 5-game first-round elimination on injuries?  They were a factor, yes, but this is also a team in decline.  Its key players are old, half of its support players were replaced during the season, and it has no budding superstars on the immediate horizon.  Yet Holland wants to keep the band together.  He won't trade anyone away because he never does, it sounds like he's not going to pursue any free agents of consequence (they might throw off his 2006-based team salary structure)... does he really think everything is just roses?



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:28 PM

Guys it is April 29. Have the RW's even finished there post season reviews yet? Just a hint, don't ever put to much weight in what any GM or coach says publicly this soon after a season. It means nothing. Lets see where things are at say July 15.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:31 PM

 

 

It seems like the organization is talking out of both sides of its mouth... they are going to build from within (so, YOUTH) but they expect to be much better and make a deep run in the playoffs next year.  Are they "blaming" the 93-point, 8th place finish and the 5-game first-round elimination on injuries?  They were a factor, yes, but this is also a team in decline.  Its key players are old, half of its support players were replaced during the season, and it has no budding superstars on the immediate horizon.  Yet Holland wants to keep the band together.  He won't trade anyone away because he never does, it sounds like he's not going to pursue any free agents of consequence (they might throw off his 2006-based team salary structure)... does he really think everything is just roses?

 

 

The Wings are unquestionably a better team going into next season than they were going into this season and injuries were by far the biggest factor in how this season played out.

 

Out the door are, Cleary, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Tootoo, Quincey, and from the sound of things Kindl and Andersson aren't far behind

Replaced by Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Glendening, Jurco, Ouellet, likely either Callahan or Ferraro also upfront and possibly Almquist on D.

 

What free agents of consequence are available? Who exactly are you looking to get rid of?


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:35 PM

 

"People wan't answers today. I don't have answers today." - Ken Holland

 

Watch it here : https://www.youtube....q_ESOjzk#t=1110

 

So I'd take any quotes postet here with a grain of salt. He did say them but Kenny doesn't sound as if he already made up his mind about his moves in the offseason. How could he, our season is just over since a few days.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:39 PM

 

 

 

The Wings are unquestionably a better team going into next season than they were going into this season and injuries were by far the biggest factor in how this season played out.

 

Out the door are, Cleary, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Tootoo, Quincey, and from the sound of things Kindl and Andersson aren't far behind

Replaced by Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Glendening, Jurco, Ouellet, likely either Callahan or Ferraro also upfront and possibly Almquist on D.

 

What free agents of consequence are available? Who exactly are you looking to get rid of?

 

We think the wings are gonna look weird, i wonder what blash is thinking of his gr roster next season:)



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:06 PM

 

Watch it here : https://www.youtube....q_ESOjzk#t=1110

 

So I'd take any quotes postet here with a grain of salt. He did say them but Kenny doesn't sound as if he already made up his mind about his moves in the offseason. How could he, our season is just over since a few days.

 

Seriously this is one - if not the best - end of season interview I've listened from him in a loooong time. Holland wanting to watch even more from Boston is a great thing, a lot of teams can learn a lot from that almost perfect team.

 

You can tell he is pissed but Holland really makes a lot of good points when it comes down to the development of our young guys fans and the media would absolutely label Mrazek a bust if he craps the bed for 10 games..Let the kids develop in the AHL and bring them up, when Blashill and Babcock are saying they are ready.  That was my biggest complaint with the Cleary signing the guy blocked a spot for Nyquist. The best example to me is Jake Gardiner, some Leaffans had NORRIS! threads about this kid two years ago and now they want to trade him, no need to put young 20 year olds - non exceptional players - through this kind of crap.

 

I also appreciate his honesty about Weiss, the guy has to hit the gym like crazy maybe even 5 - 6 times a week just to make up for that 18 months span and personally I really don't know what to expect from this guy anymore, so hopefully our FO will keep in touch with him over the summer.

 

It's true the Wings are starting to draft bigger and I absolutely love it but some bigger bodies are needed right now and they are available for cheap, tough fourth line guys are making around 750 - 1.000 k that's nothing compared to average NHL salaries.

 

Don't know but after listening to Babcock, Zetterberg and now even Holland I really believe them getting antsy could lead to a better future.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:18 PM

 

Watch it here : https://www.youtube....q_ESOjzk#t=1110

 

So I'd take any quotes postet here with a grain of salt. He did say them but Kenny doesn't sound as if he already made up his mind about his moves in the offseason. How could he, our season is just over since a few days.

 

LOL!! He went from calm and cool in the beginning to irritated at that part. Funny it came about when he was discussing the trade for Legwand. 

 

I understand the wanting multiple 20G scorers, which it more depth. However, the 20G scorers cannot be a bunch of floaters when they are not scoring. Which is the issue with Mule.

 

Holland seem like he doesn't know when to bring up kids at the right time. He wants them in the minors as long as possible but some kids clearly don't belong.

 

EDIT: After watching Babs video, I wonder if the culture of working out hard in the offseason is dying a little in the Wings locker room.


Edited by dragonballgtz, 29 April 2014 - 06:23 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:07 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks buy out Hossa this off season...that would be kind of funny

this would be awesome! Especially if Holland was able to scoop him back up!


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

Ken Holland quote August 31st 2014:

 

Ultimately, we kicked some tires but the price was too steep to bring in a free agent RH defenceman. We feel the return of a more experienced Quincey and Kindl solidifies our backend. The return of a healthy pav and Z gives us all we need and franzen tells me he has been resurged.

 

I traded tatar and 2 conditional 1st round picks for the rights to Chris Chelios, but ultimately I did not kick the tires hard enough and we won't be adding his veteran leadership this season.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:12 PM

 

 

 

The Wings are unquestionably a better team going into next season than they were going into this season and injuries were by far the biggest factor in how this season played out.

 

Out the door are, Cleary, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Tootoo, Quincey, and from the sound of things Kindl and Andersson aren't far behind

Replaced by Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Glendening, Jurco, Ouellet, likely either Callahan or Ferraro also upfront and possibly Almquist on D.

 

What free agents of consequence are available? Who exactly are you looking to get rid of?

 

 

I don't disagree, the "addition by subtraction" makes the Wings better.. but a lot of those changes have already been made.  Quincey is the only real change left on the list.  If the team we saw on the ice against Boston is what we're going to see in October, even with the veterans healthy and the kids more experienced, it's still not good enough to contend for the Cup.

You are right... the crop of UFAs leaves much to be desired.  Most of them are guys we've never really heard of or guys we didn't know were still in the league.  There are a few high-end players, but who knows if they'll be available come July 1st.  Any team looking to make a real splash in the off-season will have to keep an eye on RFA negotiations around the league and explore the trade market.

Top UFA Forwards:  Cammalleri, Iginla, Jussi Jokinen, Michalek, Moulson, Raymond, Stastny, Vanek, Vrbata... a few of these guys will be expensive, some won't be too bad, and they all can pop in 20 goals.

"Top" UFA Defensemen:  Dan Boyle, Mark Fayne, Matt Greene, Ron Hainsey, Scott Hannan, Andrei Markov, Derek Morris, Nikita Nikitin, Matt Niskanen, Brooks Orpik, Marek Zidlicky... we're basically looking for a stopgap for a year or two, or an upgrade over Kindl and Lashoff.

 

Who would I get rid of?  I'd have a heart-to-heart with Franzen, find out if he really wants to play, what it would take to get him more engaged, how long he expects to play... and evaluate keeping him, possibly facing a cap-recapture penalty, or buying him out.  (I know Holland is keeping him.)  I'd buy out Tootoo, let him find an NHL roster spot elsewhere.  I'd look to move Kindl.  I'd be open to moving a good number of players if the right trade was available.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:19 PM

ken holland june 2014

 

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:25 PM

 
Watch it here : https://www.youtube....q_ESOjzk#t=1110
 
So I'd take any quotes postet here with a grain of salt. He did say them but Kenny doesn't sound as if he already made up his mind about his moves in the offseason. How could he, our season is just over since a few days.

That video made me like ken Holland a bit more.
Been a while since I seen that fire, and he lists off a bunch of kids in the ahl, and says apparently these kids are better than we thought.
Love it.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:35 PM

 

WUT?

 

You don't buy out Tootoo because he costs nothing and is potentially tradable....

Actually, he costs 1.9 million, couldn't crack the lineup when absolutely everyone was out of the lineup, he cleared waivers 3 times and absolutely no one was interested in taking him for free.  



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:45 PM

Actually, he costs 1.9 million, couldn't crack the lineup when absolutely everyone was out of the lineup, he cleared waivers 3 times and absolutely no one was interested in taking him for free.  

 

He wouldn't be free.  Someone would have had to pickup his contract.  Yea, I get what you are saying though.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:47 PM

I'm pretty much fine with everything Holland said, except with the major exception being Franzen. I didn't expect Holland to ultimately buy him out, but it needs to be done. 

 

Don't really want any of the UFA's back except Alfie. The Wings need to upgrade from Quincey whether via trade or free agency. Even if that's just a stopgap veteran until some of the prospects are ready, they desperately could use a puck moving d-man that contributes offensively. Sounds like Marchenko, Ouellet and Sproul will all get a shot to make the team, which is great news for the end of Kindl and Lashoff. 

 

It would be nice if the Wings could get some size in the top-six on the wing (Franzen doesn't count) because clearly that was lacking against Boston. I love Nyquist and Tatar, but you can't have all players in that mold. Maybe Jurco gets there eventually as with his size.


 
 
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:49 PM

 
Basically yes but Blashill said he wants to coach another season in the AHL and the FO is happy with him. Conversations would then be like this:
 
other GM: Hello Mr. Holland can I please get your permission to talk to your AHL coach ?
Holland: Sure thing, number...
other GM: Hello Mr. Blashill you've done a great job in the AHL and paid your dues would you like to come up and sign with us ?
Blashill: Sorry, I like my job here and don't feel I'm ready.
other GM: but b....but
 
This way there is no grey area, Blashill can focus on his AHL job and other teams know he doesn't want to leave, so no reason for granting them permission. In the last years Detroit has been one of the teams, which always allowed others to talk to their FO stuff (McLellan, Yzerman, Nill, MacLean..). So it's not like the Wings are against it, Holland just sees no reason and it seems like Blashill wants to stay where he is so a no brainer.


You make it seem like every GM is going to be accosting Holland in the Meijer bathroom, just to lure away Blashill.

But listen if Jeff doesn't want to go anywhere it's not an issue, it's only a problem if Blashill wants to look for a head coaching gig somewhere else.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:13 PM

Actually, he costs 1.9 million, couldn't crack the lineup when absolutely everyone was out of the lineup, he cleared waivers 3 times and absolutely no one was interested in taking him for free.  

   Only you could argue that something costs $1.9 million and then claim that it was free in the same sentence :clap:  :bye1:


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:17 PM

I think what often gets lost in the Franzen conversation is what a buyout entails.    In essence, the Wings have to pay Franzen $jkig22 milion to just go away.  Billionaire or not, that's a s*** ton of money for the Ilitch family to pay out.  Plus it means having to pay another player that much or more to take his place.  I'd love to have Franzen gone, but would it be as worth it if it was coming out of your pocket?



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 08:17 PM

If he did plan on buying Franzen out, would he have said so?

 

Or would he just say, "I can't comment on anything right now?"


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