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Wings have the #1 & #2 most overpaid players (per point) in the NH


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#1 sleepwalker

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:56 PM

Was flipping through the latest THN, and they had the list of the top 5 most overpaid players per point.

 

#1 Stephen Weiss - 4.9 mil cap hit, 4pts

= $1.23 mil per point

 

#2 Mikael Samuelsson - 3 mil cap hit, 3pts

= $1 mil per point

 

 

 

And in case you were wondering about the rest:

 

#3 Jim Slater, 2pts, $800,000 per point

#4 Jared Boll, 2pts, $525,00 per point

#5 David Clarkson, 11pts, $477,273 per point



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:59 PM

Does it factor in points per game played or just takes a salary number and figures their point total for a season they may or may not have played more than a few games in?


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:01 PM

Criteria they used was players who played at least 25 games this season, with a base salary of more than $1mil.

 

Otherwise Colton Orr would have won it at a $925,00 cap hit with a whopping zero points. 



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:08 PM

Ya but Weiss was injured all year, even while he was playing. Sammy was just a terrible contract from the beginning, everyone but Holland knew that
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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:17 PM

It's an unfair assessment of Weiss who played injured for all his games as a Red Wing and was injured the rest of the season. I consider the fact that this was published a bit ridiculous. Clarkson was healthy for the games he wasn't suspended and put up 11 points. If Weiss played the same amount of games while injured he still would have put up more points going by averages. Considering how many people wanted Clarkson to sign here last offseason, he is by far the most over payed for his overall production. 

 

Not going by averages and just saying "minimum 25 games played", you can sit here and say Franzen had a much better season than Datsyuk because he scored 4 more points than him last season, but not take into account total games played. It makes it look much worse when put into this perspective. 

 

Let's see some healthy games for more than one quarter of an injured season out of Weiss before declaring him the worst contract in the NHL. 


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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:25 PM

This is from the latest THN, "The List Issue", where its just a fun issue full of various "Top X whatever" lists.

 

Obviously Weiss was injured, and well, Sammy just sucks these days.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 05:49 PM

Ya but Weiss was injured all year, even while he was playing. Sammy was just a terrible contract from the beginning, everyone but Holland knew that


I gave the shin pad assassin the benefit of the doubt when holland first signed him. A little pricey but had chemistry with the wings in the past. Then he was injured all season. Ok, could return to form yet, has playing experience with Weiss. Then he pooped the bed this season, so I'll eat the crow on that one. Terrible signing.

Im a huge Whalers fan and always loved Weiss. I'm praying he doesn't turn out exactly like Sammy right now.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 02:32 AM

So, basically if you dont produce points you are overpaid? Pretty lame if you ask me. Orr is not signed to produce points. By the same standard someone like Glendening would also be overpaid had he made more than a million a year. I would expect more in depth analysis from THN in an article on this topic.
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Posted 10 May 2014 - 02:34 AM

So, basically if you dont produce points you are overpaid? Pretty lame if you ask me. Orr is not signed to produce points. By the same standard someone like Glendening would also be overpaid had he made more than a million a year. I would expect more in depth analysis from THN in an article on this topic.


That would be expecting a miracle. They pop out a top list every two minutes of something or other. None are really thought out, you would think espn made the articles

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:43 AM

Well not much to add it is true, Weiss - despite the injury problems - has had what 3 goals for a 5 million capht, only Leino with zero goals could make a case to challenge him for the title. but the list itself is ok

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:13 AM

Sammy we knew from Day 1 was just a waste of 3 million. Weiss has been a mess, he's got some work ahead to redeem himself. Playing injured or not, next year there won't be any excuses. 



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:31 AM

So, basically if you dont produce points you are overpaid? Pretty lame if you ask me. Orr is not signed to produce points. By the same standard someone like Glendening would also be overpaid had he made more than a million a year. I would expect more in depth analysis from THN in an article on this topic.

 

Orr does suck at hockey, though. It's been scientifically proven.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:37 AM

I gave the shin pad assassin the benefit of the doubt when holland first signed him. A little pricey but had chemistry with the wings in the past. Then he was injured all season. Ok, could return to form yet, has playing experience with Weiss. Then he pooped the bed this season, so I'll eat the crow on that one. Terrible signing.

 

 

I could have forgiven the Sammy contract if it was just for 1 year.  A cheapish veteran stopgap.  But 2 years was just brutal.

 

Same with Bert.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:30 AM

The Sammy contract will go down as one of the biggest KH blunders ever. There was no excuse for it, and this board saw it the moment it happened.

Weiss? I still blame the training and conditioning staff...and it seems like there might have been a scouting mistake as well. Even when healthy, he didn't fit on this particular team.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:45 AM

 

Orr does suck at hockey, though. It's been scientifically proven.

 

Not true.  He's really good at "an integral part of the game", as fight fans will tell you ad nauseam.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:59 AM

 
Not true.  He's really good at "an integral part of the game", as fight fans will tell you ad nauseam.


I'm a fan of enforcers and even I'll say it, he sucks at hockey. We've had plenty of our own enforcers over the years, bit they could also chip in offensively from time to time.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:25 PM

 

I could have forgiven the Sammy contract if it was just for 1 year.  A cheapish veteran stopgap.  But 2 years was just brutal.

 

Same with Bert.

 

2 years, with a pay raise and a NTC. 

 

brutal, brutal, brutal. 

 

 

Also, Tootoo likely would've made the top ten.  $1.9 million for 1 point.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:31 PM


 
I could have forgiven the Sammy contract if it was just for 1 year.  A cheapish veteran stopgap.  But 2 years was just brutal.
 
Same with Bert.


 
2 years, with a pay raise and a NTC. 
 
brutal, brutal, brutal. 
 
 
Also, Tootoo likely would've made the top ten.  $1.9 million for 1 point.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:57 PM

 
Not true.  He's really good at "an integral part of the game", as fight fans will tell you ad nauseam.

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 07:29 AM

I really think all the anit Weiss talk is a little premature. I get a lot of WIngs fans were not too thrilled with the signing to begin with. But let this guy get healthy and give him an honest chance. This signing can go both ways if you ask me. This isn't like the Franzen deal where we have had a few years to digest and make a choice if we like him or not. I think Weiss can be a very good asset to this team but he has to be healthy and get an honest chance next season. 







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