Spezza?

[MabusIncarnate 5,344]

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[RyanBarnes! 293]

Not even close. Legwand for his career is a .59 points per game guys and makes 5 million. Spezza is a 1 point per game guy and makes 7 million. 41% more points per game/season. He is a primer offensive guy. Solid defender as well. Legwand isn't that good on O.

you were the one talking about 25%, but it doesnt matter. Legwand played in a much more controlled environment during his career. Again he is not as talented offensively as Spezza but I doubt he would get 5M from anyone and might even give a little hometown discount. Now Kesler is a much more interesting option than both.

[Richdg 267]

Lets be clear about a few things.

1. Thee are tons of players in the NHL that if added, would make us a better team. Spezza makes us better, Kesler makes us better, Ovie makes us better, etc etc etc.

2. The RW's need to add 3-5 premium talents between now and the start of the 2015 season to become a SC contender.

3. Last season we where 16th on O and 16th on D. Both ens need to improve.

4. One thing about Kesler, Holland already passed on him once, then went out and overpaid for Legwand.

[DSM 114]

Lets be clear about a few things.

1. Thee are tons of players in the NHL that if added, would make us a better team. Spezza makes us better, Kesler makes us better, Ovie makes us better, etc etc etc.

2. The RW's need to add 3-5 premium talents between now and the start of the 2015 season to become a SC contender.

3. Last season we where 16th on O and 16th on D. Both ens need to improve.

4. One thing about Kesler, Holland already passed on him once, then went out and overpaid for Legwand.

Wrong.

I don't have time to look around for it, but IIRC it was reported that Holland did express interest in Kesler, but was shot down by (now jobless...) Mike Gillis for not having the assets he wanted in return. Apparently what Gillis wanted most was a young, but established #2 center capable of stepping in right away and be around for a few years. The Red Wings didn't have a center that fit the bill.

As far as overpayment, if you think Legwand was overpaid for, getting Kesler would've required ANY team to overpay.

As far as Spezza goes, I would pass. While he's a great player, the Red Wings don't need another playmaker up front. They need finishers for the ones they already have. Plus, the Wings would have to cough up some decent assets to compete with other trade happy teams that will be willing to overpay for him. On a final note, it sounds as if the Senators want to send him West anyway.

At the same token, you're whining about overpayment while talking about a player who would essentially be a one season rental. A one season rental that would cost the Red Wings some valuable assets. How many here will be screaming "overpayment" if like Legwand, Spezza doesn't pan out here and becomes a UFA next summer after coughing up what would likely be a combination of 1st rounders(s) and good prospects to Ottawa for him?

If the Red Wings really want Spezza, wait till he becomes a UFA next summer.

Edited May 15, 2014 by DSM

[Richdg 267]

Spezza-like all of the great players in the league will never become a UFA. Ott is moving him because they are cash strapped. We are not. We can easily resign him to a 4-5 year extension. Now why would Spezza want to sign? What is his number and why does he wear it?

BTW guys that score 30 goals in multiple seasons are premier scorers, which Spezza has done several times (4).

Yes Holland had interest in Kelser, then decided not to pay the price to get him. That is passing on a player. Now we have no idea of what players were truely involved, but he did pass on the deal.

[DSM 114]

Spezza-like all of the great players in the league will never become a UFA. Ott is moving him because they are cash strapped. We are not. We can easily resign him to a 4-5 year extension. Now why would Spezza want to sign? What is his number and why does he wear it?

BTW guys that score 30 goals in multiple seasons are premier scorers, which Spezza has done several times (4).

Yes Holland had interest in Kelser, then decided not to pay the price to get him. That is passing on a player. Now we have no idea of what players were truely involved, but he did pass on the deal.

I looked back and found a report from Helen St. James that said Gillis wanted an established good young player (preferably a center), a top prospect and a 1st rounder in exchange for Kesler. She said it likely would've taken Tatar/Nyquist, Mantha and a 1st to make it happen. That's a lot of future to mortgage to get a 2nd line center for a team that was on the playoff bubble. Can't really toss Holland under the bus for not getting him, since no other GM was able to...

[Richdg 267]

Again we have no idea which players were offered or asked for. Just an opinion of a writer. Every year we hear of players available that "we can't afford" and then they get moved later for less than we thought. Nash comes to mind. Yet Holland seems to over overpay when he does make a deal: Legwand and Quincey come to mind. Maybe he just isn't good at negotiations. Who knows.

Now back to some of the players being discussed. Would Kesler be an upgrade for us? Yes. He would be our 3rd best forward the day he arrived. Maybe more like tied for second. The same is true of Spezza. He is a better player than every forward currently on our team not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Both Kesler and Spezza are from a numbers stand point in the same class as Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

Again we have no idea which players were offered or asked for. Just an opinion of a writer. Every year we hear of players available that "we can't afford" and then they get moved later for less than we thought. Nash comes to mind. Yet Holland seems to over overpay when he does make a deal: Legwand and Quincey come to mind. Maybe he just isn't good at negotiations. Who knows.

Now back to some of the players being discussed. Would Kesler be an upgrade for us? Yes. He would be our 3rd best forward the day he arrived. Maybe more like tied for second. The same is true of Spezza. He is a better player than every forward currently on our team not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg. Both Kesler and Spezza are from a numbers stand point in the same class as Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

A lazy player, reminiscent of what everyone hates about Franzen, and his production has completely fallen off the map, everyone would be calling for Hollands head if he had got him. I have to deal with enough people around here who say every other post how much franzen sucks, i would shoot myself if i had to hear about franzen AND nash

[number9 3,297]

A lazy player, reminiscent of what everyone hates about Franzen, and his production has completely fallen off the map, everyone would be calling for Hollands head if he had got him. I have to deal with enough people around here who say every other post how much franzen sucks, i would shoot myself if i had to hear about franzen AND nash

Nash has 15 pts in 31 playoff games (48.3%). Franzen has 81 pts in 107 playoff games (75.7%). Nash is totally worth another 2 million and the roster spot that takes up. FOOL.

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

Nash has 15 pts in 31 playoff games (48.3%). Franzen has 81 pts in 107 playoff games (75.7%). Nash is totally worth another 2 million and the roster spot that takes up. FOOL.

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or not since you called me a fool...

[number9 3,297]

I was drunk and agreeable lol

[Richdg 267]

When Nash was being moved, nearly everyone on this very forum was hoping we got him. I was not one of those however. At the time of the trade he was and is a great goal scorer. The Rangers gave far less for him than we offered-which is the point I was making. For whatever the reasons a lot of players in all sports fail in NY.

ET as for 9 calling you a fool, don't worry. He just likes to troll. If a post was up about the sun rising in the East, he was disagree and claim it was in the West.

[number9 3,297]

When Nash was being moved, nearly everyone on this very forum was hoping we got him. I was not one of those however. At the time of the trade he was and is a great goal scorer. The Rangers gave far less for him than we offered-which is the point I was making. For whatever the reasons a lot of players in all sports fail in NY.

ET as for 9 calling you a fool, don't worry. He just likes to troll. If a post was up about the sun rising in the East, he was disagree and claim it was in the West.

"ET" I hope ur getting the same laugh out of this that I am lol

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Well with the Canucks doing a sweep (firing Gillis and Tortarella) Kesler might not even be willing to waive his NTC anymore. But man Vancouver is one of the top 3 pressure markets.