Nevermind 363 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) I'm sure there have been threads like this before. But I was working on a comprehensive list the other day, and thought some here might want to see it. Overall, we're certainly an above-average team at the draft. And it seems like a lot of recent picks are turning out to be NHL-level prospects. Beneath our draft picks are arguably comparable or better players with an NHL pedigree. Red indicates a bust pick. Green indicates a perfect pick. It's still too early for the recent draft years (as such, the drafts from 2009 onwards have some question marks and might miss players who will make it to the show later on after more development.) Draft Year (# of NHL players produced / # of players drafted) 2005 (3/9) 19. Jakub Kindl 22. Tuukka Rask 24. T.J. Oshie 25. Andrew Cogliano 28. Matt Niskanen 29. Steve Downie 33. James Neal 35. Marc-Edouard Vlasic 41. Ondrej Pavelec 42. Justin Abdelkader 44. Paul Stastny 51. Mason Raymond 62. Kristopher Letang 67. Kris Russell 72. Jonathan Quick 79. Cody Franson 80. Cristofer Lofberg 84. Mark Fraser 85. Ben Bishop 96. Chris Butler 101. Jared Boll 103. Mattias Ritola 105. Keith Yandle 106. Vladimir Sobotka 107. Tom Pyatt 108. Niklas Hjalmarsson 112. Alex Stalock 132. Darren Helm 137. Johan Ryno 142. Nathan Gerbe 152. Jeff May 155. Mark Fayne 156. Ryan Reaves 175. Juho Mielonen 181. Tim Kennedy 190. Matt D'Agostini 195. Joe Vitale 200. Sergei Kostitsyn 204. Colin Greening 214. Bretton Stamler 216. Anton Stralman 230. Patrick Hornqvist 2006 (2/7) 41. Cory Emmerton 44. Nikolai Kulemin 45. Jeff Petry 46. Jhonas Enroth 47. Shawn Matthias 50. Milan Lucic 54. Artem Anisimov 57. Mike Weber 62. **** Axelsson 63. Jamie McBain 66. Ryan White 68. Eric Gryba 69. Steve Mason 71. Brad Marchand 74. Jeff Zatkoff 75. Theo Peckham 85. Tom Sestito 92. Daniel Larsson 99. James Reimer 106. Reto Berra 112. Matt Beleskey 120. Richard Bachman 125. Chad Johnson 160. Andrew MacDonald 161. Victor Stahlberg 177. Mathieu Perreault 182. Jan Mursak 189. Derek Dorsett 191. Nick Oslund 196. Benn Ferriero 211. Erik Condra 212. Logan Pyett 2007 (2/5) 27. Brendan Smith 43. P.K. Subban 58. Nick Spaling 61. Wayne Simmonds 79. Nick Palmieri 88. Joakim Andersson 95. Alec Martinez 109. Dwight King 112. Colton Sceviour 129. Jamie Benn 141. Jake Muzzin 148. Randy Cameron 160. Anthony Peluso 161. Patrick Maroon 168. Carl Hagelin 172. Luke Gazdic 173. Nick Bonino 178. Zack Torquato 179. Paul Byron 194. Carl Gunnarsson 201. Justin Bruan 208. Bryan Rufenach 2008 (1/6) 30. Thomas McCollum 31. Jacob Markstrom 32. Slava Voynov 34. Jake Allen 38. Roman Josi 42. Patrick Wiercioch 43. Justin Schultz 45. Zac Dalpe 51. Derek Stepan 53. Travis Hamonic 55. Marco Scandella 60. Jimmy Hayes 69. Michael Stone 79. Zack Smith 82. Adam Henrique 91. Max Nicastro 93. Braden Holtby 96. Matt Donovan 111. Dale Weise 114. T.J. Brodie 117. James Wright 127. Matt Calvert 148. Matt Martin 121. Gustav Nyquist 151. Julien Cayer 152. Mark Barberio 156. Jared Spurgeon 157. Cam Atkinston169. Ben Smith 177. Tommy Wingels 178. Zac Rinaldo 181. Stephen Johnston 186. Jason Demers 190. Matt Bartkowski 207. Anders Lindback 211. Jesper Samuelsson 2009 (1+/7) 2. Landon Ferraro ??? 33. Ryan O'Reilly 34. Carl Klingberg 35. Kyle Clifford 38. Alex Chiasson 39. Jakob Silfverberg 44. Drew Shore 45. Jeremy Morin 46. Robin Lehner 52. Richard Panik 54. Eric Gelinas 59. Brandon Pirri 60. Tomas Tatar ??? 64. Tyson Barrie 69. Reilly Smith 75. Andrej Nestrasil ??? 84. Nicolas Deslauriers 85. Cody Eakin 90. Gleason Fournier 92. Casaey Cizikas 93. David Savard 98. Craig Smith 104. Marcus Foligno 106. Sami Vatanen 127. Roman Horak 132. Gabriel Borque 149. Marcus Kruger 150. Nick Jensen ??? 161. Darcy Kuemper 180. Mitch Callahan ??? 182. Erik Haula 186. Jordan Nolan 210. Adam Almqvist ??? 2010 (2+/7) 21. Riley Sheahan ??? 23. Mark Pysyk 24. Kevin Hayes 26. Evgeny Kuznestsov 28. Charlie Coyle 29. Emersom Etem 30. Brock Nelson 37. Justin Faulk 38. Jon Merill 42. Devante Smith-Pelly 47. Tyler Toffoli 51. Calle Jarnkrok ??? 66. Radko Gudas 71. Michael Bournival 81. Louis-Marc Auby 90. Joakim Nordstrom 111. Teemu Pulkkinen ??? 135. Justin Florek 141. Petr Mrazek ??? 147. Brendan Gallagher 171. Brooks Macek 181. Frederik Andersen 201. Ben Marshall 2011 (2+/9) 35. Tomas Jurco ??? 37. Boone Jenner 39. John Gibson 41. Dmitrij Jaskin 43. Brandon Saad 44. Matt Nieto 48. Xavier Ouellet ??? 55. Ryan Sproul ??? 58. Nikita Kucherov 85. Alan Quine 87. Jonathan Racine 115. Marek Tvrdon ??? 145. Philippe Hudon ??? 146. Mattias Backman ??? 175. Richard Nedomlel ??? 205. Alexei Marchenko ??? 208. Ondrej Palat Edited May 17, 2014 by Nevermind 1 RationalHatred reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 Ben Marshall is playing good minutes on 1 of the top teams in college hockey...can't really label him a bust yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 Every other team passed on every one of those players too at some point in these drafts, it isn't unique to the Wings. Its easy to look at drafts in hindsight and think how much better the Wings would look, but when compared to all the other teams and considering their draft position the past 20+ years, its hard to make an argument for any other team having a better track record than the Wings when it comes to drafting (and developing). 1 Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 I wouldn't call anyone drafted at 100th or greater really a bust, if they make the NHL, it would be the exception. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 I'm sure there have been threads like this before. But I was working on a comprehensive list the other day, and thought some here might want to see it. Overall, we're certainly an above-average team at the draft. And it seems like a lot of recent picks are turning out to be NHL-level prospects. 1. First off, great for you, taking the time to make this list. Very comprehensive. 2. I absolutely hate lists like this. What if, 20/20 hindsight, etc etc. 3. Overall, we’ve been one of the, if not the best drafting team in the league over this time period. There is support for this statement out there, I just don’t have time to find the link. So, waaaaay above-average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) First impression is that we really draft a metric s*** ton of Swedes. Second **** Axelsson Edited May 17, 2014 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 Not that anyone has done this yet, but I kind of laugh when people bring up how other teams are built through the draft, then you look at their top players and they're almost all drafted in the top 10. Then you look at Detroit. Their top few scorers other than Alfredsson were drafted 121, 210, 97, 60, and 171 overall, their top 3 D 29, 291, and undrafted, and their starting goalie was taken 64th. That's one player of their top 9 players taken in the first round. The Pens, on the other hand, have gotten almost nobody outside of the top 5 in the last dozen years. 3 Barrie, Motown4013 and martinezsvsu reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 The draft is always a crap shoot. About 63% of 1st round picks make it, about 1/3 of 2nd rounders, and about 10% of all other rounds make it. There are 23 players on a roster. Over a 15 year period the best teams might have 15 draftees that turn out. This has been true in both hockey and baseball forever. Even now, we are all excited about our prospects in the system. But history tells us 2/3's will not make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 The draft is always a crap shoot. About 63% of 1st round picks make it, about 1/3 of 2nd rounders, and about 10% of all other rounds make it. There are 23 players on a roster. Over a 15 year period the best teams might have 15 draftees that turn out. This has been true in both hockey and baseball forever. Even now, we are all excited about our prospects in the system. But history tells us 2/3's will not make it. There's over 700 players in the nhl, by your calculation there should only be at most 450 players in the nhl right now , I understand the point you were making, but in reality about 2-3 draft picks each year will turn into nhl players, some years you won't get any and some years you'll get 4 or 5 but on average 2-3 a year per team will turn out. Also yes we've missed some good players but 28 other teams missed those guys too, and they've missed out on our 5/6/7 round star picks too. We've been very good at drafting players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 There is so much luck that goes into drafting, especially after the first round, it's hard to fault anyone for picks that don't turn out. But could you imagine if the Wings had picked the cream of the crop for each round? Imagine if Detroit walked out of the 2005 draft with TJ Oshie, Jonathan Quick, Jared Boll, Keith Yandle, Darren Helm, Nathan Gerbe, Ryan Reeves, Sergei Kostitsyn, and Anton Stralman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 There is so much luck that goes into drafting, especially after the first round, it's hard to fault anyone for picks that don't turn out. But could you imagine if the Wings had picked the cream of the crop for each round? Imagine if Detroit walked out of the 2005 draft with TJ Oshie, Jonathan Quick, Jared Boll, Keith Yandle, Darren Helm, Nathan Gerbe, Ryan Reeves, Sergei Kostitsyn, and Anton Stralman. I'd look almost like some of their drafts from the 80's. 89 they got Sillinger, Boughner, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Drake, and Konstantinov. 83 they got Yzerman, Probert, Klima, Kocur, and Grimson. In 81 7 o their 8 draftees played 9-+ games in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FifeHockeyNut 57 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 Great list, little unfair to call Bryan Rufenach a bust pick though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 Great list, little unfair to call Bryan Rufenach a bust pick though. Because he was the last pick? Or did something happen to him? (I'm just curious, don't know anything about him.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 Because he was the last pick? Or did something happen to him? (I'm just curious, don't know anything about him.) He died. I'd say that's why that statement was made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) **** Axelsson was great tonight against Canada in the WC, it really is too bad that he doesn't have the determination and work ethic to become a full time NHL player cause he's fairly big and has great talent with supersmooth hands. Edited May 18, 2014 by Ekmanc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mckinley25 677 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 He died. I'd say that's why that statement was made. I didn't know that, that's sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 148. Randy Cameron 160. Anthony Peluso 161. Patrick Maroon 168. Carl Hagelin 172. Luke Gazdic 173. Nick Bonino I can honestly say that this is the first time I've ever heard of Randy Cameron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 Interesting list. Hindsight is 20/20, but man. To think we could've had a Yandle or Subban waiting in the wings for when Nick retired would've really been something. Just shows how big a crap shoot the draft can be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted May 18, 2014 DD, you have to remember 2 things about our drafts in the 80's, 1. there were a lot fewer teams, 2. We were taking risks on guys from behind the iron curtain that NOBODY else wanted to take. As for draft success rate, now those are correct. The thngs not included are: lots of undafted players and guys that have played longer than 15 years, which was the random cutoff I used. Do a google search on it if you wish, but the success rate of guys drafted, thatplay 200+ games in the NHL is about 2/3's for the 1st round, 1/3 for the second, and 1 out of 10 for all remaining rounds. That has been the results since 1990 until now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoalieManPat 1,007 Report post Posted May 24, 2014 1. First off, great for you, taking the time to make this list. Very comprehensive. 2. I absolutely hate lists like this. What if, 20/20 hindsight, etc etc. 3. Overall, we’ve been one of the, if not the best drafting team in the league over this time period. There is support for this statement out there, I just don’t have time to find the link. So, waaaaay above-average. I wouldnt say theyve been the best drafting team. Above average is the best you can give them. The Wings havent drafted anyone that has developed into elite talent in 15 years since Hank in 99. The kids the last couple years have potential but until they show they can produce consistantly in the NHL they are running along the lines of previous picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites