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#21 kipwinger

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 07:12 PM

Except corsi stats showed Smith DID EARN it and was out best 5 on 5 defenseman and kronwall played BETTER WITH SMIT THAN WITH BIG E.

But it's ok some clueless people can keep think he belongs in third line.

 

I'm clueless now?  Well at least you don't throw a fit and call people names when they don't agree with you.

 

And who could possibly argue with a stat that ranks David Booth above John Tavares and Mike Green above Ryan Suter.  Rock solid.


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 07:13 PM

Almquist has to get a shot with the Wings this season.  Injuries are inevitable.  Give him a chance at least.

 

It would be hard to see a player with that kind of talent let go, playing only 2 NHL games 1 goal, and he didn't look out of place at the NHL level.

 

Yea, he's small.  Let him get crushed a few times by Lucic and next year go back to Sweden if he doesn't make it this year.



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 07:43 PM

He doesn't want to stay in the system? Even if it means being GRR!?!? How dare he thumb a nose to the Wings!

 

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 07:47 PM

Go back to Sweden...gain 15-20lbs and we'll talk.   



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:04 PM


Small players can excel in the NHL.  It's harder for a defenseman though, and the few that do make it are far better skaters than Almquist is.  As it stands now, he'd be overmatched in his own end and offensively he wouldn't be able to win enough puck battles to be effective enough to compensate for the poor defense.
 
People who are saying he'd be better than anyone the Wings have now, or Sproul, Marchenko, or Ouellet, are the "grass is greener" crowd.  The same ones who said that Ericsson was going to be the Swedish Pronger, and every hot prospect was already better than half the roster before they played more than a dozen NHL games, and any given free agent would "obviously" be good here, until that player gets here and we see his flaws.  If Almquist was on the roster next year, everyone would be screaming to get rid of him by Thanksgiving.


Our defense struggles a lot with puck movement, and our PP is dysfunctional largely due to Kronwall being the only one being decent at quarterbacking it. Marchenko seems solid but he's not that gifted offensively. Sproul might have potential, but I get the impression he's not ready for the NHL. Ouellet is safe, but again, more defensively than offensively. 
 
You could be right, that we would want him off the team if he gets the chance. But I feel it's important that he does get that chance. He was impressive in camp last year, in his 2 game call-up he showed a lot of good things. And obviously he's been great in Grand Rapids. Kid deserves a shot. 


First, he doesn't want to be a call up or be given a chance. He wants the NHL or Europe. That won't happen in Detroit. Second, if he can't win puck battles he won't help offensively because he'll cough up the puck constantly. The team constantly evaluates their prospects. The fact that Ouellet got time in the playoffs over Almquist should tell you all you need to know. They know he'd be overmatched, which despite his goal and a few nice passes, he was in his 2 games. And don't talk to me about camp. Half the players he was up against were AHL, ECHL, or junior players.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:12 PM

Putting pressure on the wings was the wrongggg idea. He had one good PRE season. Adios Almqvist.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:20 PM

He doesn't want to stay in the system? Even if it means being GRR!?!? How dare he thumb a nose to the Wings!

 

Same things were being said by Jarnkrok. You don't tell them what is gonna happen...or you find yourself out. See ya! Enjoy your career on the Island!

 

To be fair, it does take approximately 17 years to get through the minors in the Red Wings organization. I don't think Almquist has as much of a case, as say Tatar or Nyquist did, but the writing is pretty much on the wall for Almquist in Detroit going forward. 


 
 
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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:29 PM

Almqvist is like 11th on the Dman depth chart. If he was better than lashoff, Kindl, Quincey, etc..... he would have been up. He isn't and wasn't. it is pretty simple. Just because a guy is a swede or has been scouted by hawken doesn't mean they can play at the NHL level. Far to many around here think every swede we have is going to be an AS player.



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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:36 PM

Almqvist is like 11th on the Dman depth chart. If he was better than lashoff, Kindl, Quincey, etc..... he would have been up. He isn't and wasn't. it is pretty simple. Just because a guy is a swede or has been scouted by hawken doesn't mean they can play at the NHL level. Far to many around here think every swede we have is going to be an AS player.


It has absolutely nothing to do with him being "another swede". Like u said, he's low on the depth chart. If he doesn't like that then adios.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 08:46 PM

Kindl is obviously expendable, but those suggesting that Almqvist is more valuable than Smith and Lashoff are guilty, IMO, of overvaluing potential and the unknown. He can't kill penalties, which Lashoff does quite well. By all accounts Almqvist is below at least three other defencemen in Grand Rapids, in terms of NHL potential. If he turns into Rafalski, I will be stunned.

Lashoff was burned at least once a game by players just skating around him with speed. Lashoff's skating is just far too bad to play 5 on 5 reliably. Sure, he PKs nicely, but we need players that can succeed in all settings. Add to that his non-existing offence and you have a borderline 7th dman. 


I do believe that if Almquist had a RH shot he would get NHL looks next season with Marchenko - but he just doesn't provide enough as a LD to beat out the other players and prospects. 


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Posted 03 June 2014 - 11:49 PM

I have nothing against him and I also prefer real scout reports instead of looking at some excel sheets. That being said if the organization doesn't think he has earned a spot yet then it would only be fair to let him entertain other offers. His hometown team is one of the best in the SEL and he could play infront of his family and friends. If I were him I'd try the Gary Roberts school and bulk up as much as possible. Yes smaller players can make it but it's even more difficult for smallish defenders on a team that's already behind in terms of size and physicallity

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 03:02 AM

First, he doesn't want to be a call up or be given a chance. He wants the NHL or Europe. That won't happen in Detroit. Second, if he can't win puck battles he won't help offensively because he'll cough up the puck constantly. The team constantly evaluates their prospects. The fact that Ouellet got time in the playoffs over Almquist should tell you all you need to know. They know he'd be overmatched, which despite his goal and a few nice passes, he was in his 2 games. And don't talk to me about camp. Half the players he was up against were AHL, ECHL, or junior players.

Ouellet playing to me means that they think XO is safer. Which he is. He is great defensively, very reliable. I still look at our defense and see one of the worst groups in the NHL in terms of offensive play. I don't know where we ended up but I know at one point this seasons we were close to last in the league in points from our D. We have no one to man our 2nd PP, heck I don't even think Kronwall is that great at manning the 1st PP. XO doesn't help with that, neither does Marchenko.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:34 AM

I've been saying for a while now that Almqvist's future probably doesn't lie with the Wings. But that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have a future in the NHL. I'd look to trade him, preferably to a team that might really have a need for him.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 05:52 AM

Ouellet playing to me means that they think XO is safer. Which he is. He is great defensively, very reliable. I still look at our defense and see one of the worst groups in the NHL in terms of offensive play. I don't know where we ended up but I know at one point this seasons we were close to last in the league in points from our D. We have no one to man our 2nd PP, heck I don't even think Kronwall is that great at manning the 1st PP. XO doesn't help with that, neither does Marchenko.

 

We do need more "O" from our "D," particularly with the man advantage. But Almqvist isn't our only option, even if we don't sign or trade for a top-four guy. On the roster, Smith should probably be seeing time on the power play. Of the kids, Sproul stands out as a bona fide weapon with the man advantage.

 

The New School is size, mobility, and being good with the puck. The concern with Almqvist is that he's neither big nor an especially good skater. (And he's not very good on the defensive side of the puck.) So, even when he's quarterbacking the power play (which is pretty much the only situation where he's not going to be a liability), if he gets caught flat-footed at the blue line and coughs up the puck to a speedy NHL PKer, he doesn't have the skating to be able to bail himself out. That was an issue with Alfredsson this season.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 08:27 AM

kipwinger, I would by no means say that you are clueless, you definitely seem to be very knowledgeable, however you're hatred for Smith is laughable. I understand that he has made his fair share of defensive blunders, some even cost us games. But name a defenseman that hasn't done the same in his first year or two in the league? It happens to every young player and Smith is no exception. The fact that you refuse to see his improvements is quite humorous. He has steadily improved over the past two years, and I strongly believe he will be a top pairing defenseman in the near future. Only time will tell...



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 08:50 AM

kipwinger, I would by no means say that you are clueless, you definitely seem to be very knowledgeable, however you're hatred for Smith is laughable. I understand that he has made his fair share of defensive blunders, some even cost us games. But name a defenseman that hasn't done the same in his first year or two in the league? It happens to every young player and Smith is no exception. The fact that you refuse to see his improvements is quite humorous. He has steadily improved over the past two years, and I strongly believe he will be a top pairing defenseman in the near future. Only time will tell...

 

My "hatred for Smith" has less to do with his game and more to do with how his apologists seem incapable of even acknowledging simple facts which may suggest he's less the "future top pair" defenseman than he may seem.  Has he improved?  Sure.  He had a better than average half year on the top pair with Kronwall.  But lots of guys have had good half years (Kindl, Abdelkader) and nobody bangs the drum for their promotion into exceedingly important positions (top pair, top six).  If Abby or Kindl even sniff the top pair or top six people get pissed, but those same people are ready to anoint Smith based on a stretch of play which has certainly been atypical of his career thus far.

 

He's a offensive d-man who doesn't score much, a puck mover who turns the puck over at an exceptionally high rate, and a "tough guy" who doesn't hit.  I don't expect him to be Lidstrom...or even a cut rate Lidstrom.  But I do expect him to improve in those areas for a full season before I'm sold on his "improvement". 

 

And it's not like I'm unwilling.  I didn't like Ericsson at first either, thought he was a bum.  I was pissed about his previous contract.  But then, he strung together a strong campaign (or two or three) and I had to eat crow and sing a different tune.  When/If Smith does similar, I'll be glad to do the same thing.


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 09:08 AM

 

My "hatred for Smith" has less to do with his game and more to do with how his apologists seem incapable of even acknowledging simple facts which may suggest he's less the "future top pair" defenseman than he may seem.  Has he improved?  Sure.  He had a better than average half year on the top pair with Kronwall.  But lots of guys have had good half years (Kindl, Abdelkader) and nobody bangs the drum for their promotion into exceedingly important positions (top pair, top six).  If Abby or Kindl even sniff the top pair or top six people get pissed, but those same people are ready to anoint Smith based on a stretch of play which has certainly been atypical of his career thus far.

 

He's a offensive d-man who doesn't score much, a puck mover who turns the puck over at an exceptionally high rate, and a "tough guy" who doesn't hit.  I don't expect him to be Lidstrom...or even a cut rate Lidstrom.  But I do expect him to improve in those areas for a full season before I'm sold on his "improvement". 

 

And it's not like I'm unwilling.  I didn't like Ericsson at first either, thought he was a bum.  I was pissed about his previous contract.  But then, he strung together a strong campaign (or two or three) and I had to eat crow and sing a different tune.  When/If Smith does similar, I'll be glad to do the same thing.

 

I think the thing with Smith is that he has tons of potential (or appears to, to my eye). When he's not turning the puck over or making ill advised pinches, he's shows flashes of brilliance that make you wonder how high is ceiling might be. I like Smith, but I also feel it's important to acknowledge it's going to take him a while, to the point where he may not end up that great. Yes his mistakes are infuriating, and every defensemen makes them when they are young, and I certainly want to shout at him when it happens, but I think I'm prepared to be more patient with him than say Kindl because of the perceived potential.

 

As for Kindl, I guess I'm just not seeing it for him anymore. I feel like there are other D men in the organisation that use their size better and are much more solid defensively. Time is definitely ticking for him I reckon.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 09:20 AM

He's an offensive defenseman that doesn't score much because he hasn't really been utilized properly in my opinion. Sure he started getting top pair minutes toward the end of the season, but why he hasn't gotten any PP time is beyond me. He is a great puck moving defenseman and he will learn to protect his end of the ice more efficiently as he matures as a player. I wouldn't necessarily consider him a tough guy. He may have been earlier in his career but so are a lot of players until they reach the NHL and realize they can't intimidate and throw their weight around like they did in college / junior / AHL.

 

I'm in no way saying that I know all about the sport or that I have an exceptional eye for talent and I should be an NHL scout or anything of the sort, but I will say that I loved Ericsson right from the beginning and never gave up on him. I knew he was going to be a top 4 defenseman in the league, even when everyone else was constantly bitching about his play. I think Smith has even more potential then I seen in E at the time and I believe he will be a top end talent in the near future.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 09:25 AM

 

I think the thing with Smith is that he has tons of potential (or appears to, to my eye). When he's not turning the puck over or making ill advised pinches, he's shows flashes of brilliance that make you wonder how high is ceiling might be. I like Smith, but I also feel it's important to acknowledge it's going to take him a while, to the point where he may not end up that great. Yes his mistakes are infuriating, and every defensemen makes them when they are young, and I certainly want to shout at him when it happens, but I think I'm prepared to be more patient with him than say Kindl because of the perceived potential.

 

As for Kindl, I guess I'm just not seeing it for him anymore. I feel like there are other D men in the organisation that use their size better and are much more solid defensively. Time is definitely ticking for him I reckon.

 

Well I can agree with almost everything you've said here.  And with that I'm going to turn the conversation back to Almquist because I've derailed the thread with Smith talk and want to be responsible. 

 

Adam Almquist is not Torey Krug.  I think that those advocating for him see what Krug has done in Boston, and see Almquist's point totals in the AHL, and think "hey, that looks familiar".  Leave aside the fact that Krug's a better skater.  But even then there's a problem.  Krug scores a lot for Boston because A) he gets extremely sheltered minutes, pp time, and all the offensive zone starts you'd ever want, and B) His defensive shortcomings are excusable on a team full of first rate defensive forwards and rear guards.  He's a liability, but he's the only one.  Our team is terrible defensively, and AA won't help because suck as they might, both Kindl and Lashoff are better than AA defensively. 


He's an offensive defenseman that doesn't score much because he hasn't really been utilized properly in my opinion. Sure he started getting top pair minutes toward the end of the season, but why he hasn't gotten any PP time is beyond me. He is a great puck moving defenseman and he will learn to protect his end of the ice more efficiently as he matures as a player. I wouldn't necessarily consider him a tough guy. He may have been earlier in his career but so are a lot of players until they reach the NHL and realize they can't intimidate and throw their weight around like they did in college / junior / AHL.

 

I'm in no way saying that I know all about the sport or that I have an exceptional eye for talent and I should be an NHL scout or anything of the sort, but I will say that I loved Ericsson right from the beginning and never gave up on him. I knew he was going to be a top 4 defenseman in the league, even when everyone else was constantly bitching about his play. I think Smith has even more potential then I seen in E at the time and I believe he will be a top end talent in the near future.

 

Like I said, lets switch gears back to the Almquist discussion.  I'm not trying to disregard what you're saying, and some of your points are certainly valid.  But it's probably annoying for anyone who wants to come here and talk about AA when they seem me ranking about Smith and his proponents again and again. 

 

But I genuinely do appreciate your level of civility.  You could have called me names lol. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:02 AM

Lol let's agree to disagree on this one, and like you said, I don't think either of us completely disagree with the other, just on some particular points. I've been reading here for a long time, pretty much whenever this site was first up and running, although I just signed up a few years ago and I very rarely comment but I do generally agree with most of your posts.

 

Anyway, to comment on Almquist, I agree with both sides of the argument here. I think he definitely deserves a shot through training camp and preseason, but I think in the end he will be cut and for good reason. He will only receive a contract from the Wings if he is the 6th/7th best defenseman available or is willing to play in Grand Rapids again (which he clearly isn't). I think he will end up back in Sweden.







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