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#41 DeGraa55

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:18 AM

Kip if I may ask...who said smith is a tough guy? I know I've said stuff like it's sad when E smith and Abby are the toughest guys on the team(Abby is more so than the other two but still not legitimate threat).

And since you're so down on smith and corsi stats what is your reasoning behind it then? Why is that when he crap minutes with a crap partner verse crappy opposition he does poor. But when he plays top minutes with kronwall against top competition he does well. Also don't forget kronwalls play elevated when he was matched with smith compared to Ericsson. So please te me what it is. How is it someone so bad makes someone like kronwall better?

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:42 AM

Brian Rafalski was 5-9 190lbs.

 

Brian Rafalski could skate.

 

And then look what happened to him the last couple of years when his knees and back gave up.  He still had the elite puck moving skills, but lack of size and inability to skate made him a defensive liability.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:58 AM

Kip if I may ask...who said smith is a tough guy? I know I've said stuff like it's sad when E smith and Abby are the toughest guys on the team(Abby is more so than the other two but still not legitimate threat).

And since you're so down on smith and corsi stats what is your reasoning behind it then? Why is that when he crap minutes with a crap partner verse crappy opposition he does poor. But when he plays top minutes with kronwall against top competition he does well. Also don't forget kronwalls play elevated when he was matched with smith compared to Ericsson. So please te me what it is. How is it someone so bad makes someone like kronwall better?

 

Again, Corsi stats don't even come close to telling the whole story about a player.  As already stated, Mike Green has a better Corsi than Ryan Suter and David Booth has a better Corsi than John Tavares.  It's completely skewed by zone starts.  Smith starts in the offensive zone way more than a guy like Dekesyer, so he naturally gets more shots at the net.  The miracle is not that Smith has a better Corsi, but rather that Dekeyser had more points than Smith despite having to go 200 feet to get a point. 

 

I'd certainly agree that anybody is more likely to see their offensive zone stats increase with Smith as a partner, he's an offensive defenseman, that's what he's supposed to do.  Surely he should generate more shots than than Ericsson.  The problem is not that he generates shots, it's that every pair he's on...including the one with Kronwall... is noticeably worse defensively.  Last I checked you still need to play defense in this league. 

 

Everybody's ready to pat Smith on the head for playing better when paired with Kronwall, but nobody even mentions how much better Quincey looked when NOT paired with Smith during the second half of the season.  Losing Smith as a partner made Quincey better defensively.  Gaining Smith as a partner made Kronwall better offensively and worse defensively.  Sure you get more offense zone time (not points since Smith doesn't score much), but your defense suffers with him.

 

Finally, you know who else did crappy with crappy partners and crappy minutes and did well with good partners and quality minutes?  Ian White.  But that doesn't mean he's worth a damn.  And I never, ever, want him on my top pair. 


Edited by kipwinger, 04 June 2014 - 12:01 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:19 PM

Is this a threat from Almquist?

 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:25 PM

 

Is this a threat from Almquist?

 

 

 

I hope not.  If it is, it's a bad one.  Aren't threats usually more effective if the person you're trying to threaten actually gives a damn?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


#46 Dabura

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 12:48 PM

He has steadily improved over the past two years, and I strongly believe he will be a top pairing defenseman in the near future. Only time will tell...

 

Smith's a top-pairing defenseman right now, though, admittedly, it's a learn-from-the-master situation. Still, he was one of our better players in the Boston series. He largely restored my confidence in him by playing to his strengths. He's got size, he's not afraid to use it, he's an exceptional skater, and - as long as he keeps it simple - he's one of our better puck-movers on the back end. I think if he gets time on the power play and first pairing, his production skyrockets and he becomes a legitimate asset in our top four. Might as well put him in a position to succeed and find out if he can do it, provided he remembers to keep it simple.

 

I'd take Smith over Almqvist any day.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:01 PM

 

Smith's a top-pairing defenseman right now, though, admittedly, it's a learn-from-the-master situation.

 

I'd take Smith over Almqvist any day.

 

Smith's not in a "learn from the master" situation, and he's definitely not "already a top pair" defenseman.  He's was in a "Ericsson got hurt and Dekeyser can't come up to the top pair or we'd only have one good pair" situation.  Now he's in a "Now that Ericsson's Healthy I'm heading back to the Third Pair" situation.  Unless you think Babcock is going to demote Ericsson (something he hasn't done even once in about 3 years now), or that somehow Smith played his way onto/Ericsson played his way off of the top pair.  We'll acquire a d-man in the offseason and our pairs will look like this...count on it:

 

Kron-Ericsson

Player X - Dekeyser

Smith-Marchenko

Lashoff 

 

I'll agree with the Smith over Almqvist part though.


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:50 PM

I don't think that Ericsson playing on the 3rd pairing is a demotion. It's about balancing pairings and believing that Ericsson can run his own pairing, and that Smith still needs to be paired with someone stronger. Who knows what Babcock will do, but my philosophy is "why not get the most out of both guys?"

Smith has the potential to be a 30-35 point guy next season in the right situation - E's not going to put up over 20. I don't think that being paired with Smith is going to hurt Kronwall, or that being paired with E is going to benefit him to a much greater extent. Putting Ericsson with either Sproul or Marchenko will allow for them to make some mistakes that he can cover for, ones that Smith can't help with at this time. He'll still get ample minutes (the team seems to balance the defensive minutes), and will surely be the top PK guy.

As far as Almqvist is concerned, his size and lack of speed were concerns when he was coming over. The consensus seems to be that he didn't do anything to rectify either of those issues. I think he's got great hockey IQ and does very good work on the PP, but I would take any of the big four defensive prospects over him. If what's being said about his work ethic is true, and they're willing to put in the off-ice work and he's not... he kind of just let his job slip away.


Edited by Jesusberg, 04 June 2014 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:44 PM

 

I hope not.  If it is, it's a bad one.  Aren't threats usually more effective if the person you're trying to threaten actually gives a damn?

right? if anything this will hurt his chances if there was any.


 

Smith's not in a "learn from the master" situation, and he's definitely not "already a top pair" defenseman.  He's was in a "Ericsson got hurt and Dekeyser can't come up to the top pair or we'd only have one good pair" situation.  Now he's in a "Now that Ericsson's Healthy I'm heading back to the Third Pair" situation.  Unless you think Babcock is going to demote Ericsson (something he hasn't done even once in about 3 years now), or that somehow Smith played his way onto/Ericsson played his way off of the top pair.  We'll acquire a d-man in the offseason and our pairs will look like this...count on it:

 

Kron-Ericsson

Player X - Dekeyser

Smith-Marchenko

Lashoff 

 

I'll agree with the Smith over Almqvist part though.

You are bold sir.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 03:07 PM

You are bold sir.

 

Well it's an internet forum, if I'm wrong, so what?

 

But I don't think I'll be wrong.  Marchenko is the most NHL ready out of him, Sproul, and Ouellet.  Ericsson is definitely NOT getting displaced by Smith.  And we will more than likely sign a top four guy who's at least better than Smith. 

 

The only thing that might be off about my prediction is that Kindl might start the season on the third pair until Babs scratches him, at which time Marchenko takes over full time...so it's a technicality. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 05 June 2014 - 11:04 AM

 

Well it's an internet forum, if I'm wrong, so what?

 

But I don't think I'll be wrong.  Marchenko is the most NHL ready out of him, Sproul, and Ouellet.  Ericsson is definitely NOT getting displaced by Smith.  And we will more than likely sign a top four guy who's at least better than Smith. 

 

The only thing that might be off about my prediction is that Kindl might start the season on the third pair until Babs scratches him, at which time Marchenko takes over full time...so it's a technicality. 

 

I don't see it as a 'demotion' though. I think we all saw how Kronner and Smith formed a pretty decent pair vs Boston, and if you put Ericsson with Marchenko say, it would alllow him to learn and give us the depth to have all 3 pairs at a good competitive ability, rather than the Kindl/Lashoff crap we had to survive last season.

 

I think the wildcard in all this is what happens with the second pairing, in regards to who we sign etc.

 

My 2c on Almquist. Coming out to say those things is definitely not helping his case, and while he might have had 2 good years, it sounds like there's a lot of room for improvement in his game and I think before he shows he has done those things, he won't get a stronger look. If you're going to go back home, don't whine about it to the media, just **** off back home......it's not like the Wings will be without defensive depth if he leaves.


Edited by wings4thecup06, 05 June 2014 - 11:05 AM.

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