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#21 Jesusberg

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:25 AM

I disagree he has decent size IIRC. And is a short term answer at 2c until we see if Weiss will be and a long term answer at 1c once dat retires. He is a perfect guy to have for the next 4-8 years depending how long he maintains his level of play.

Yup just looked 6 3 220. AND for those who don't know....IS A RIGHTY

He might be 6'3, and 220... but he's also S-A-W-F-T, saaaawft.

As far as his actual destination, I think a Spezza for Kesler swap makes a ton of sense, but I'm sure they'd want to tweak it beyond a straight up deal.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:52 PM

That's all fine and dandy but we have more than enough two way players. Spezza is EXACTLY WHAT this offense needs.

 

You can never have too many two way players.

 

Spezza would make our second line better offensively, but lets not forget there were only 4 forwards in the league with worse +/- numbers.

 

He's not the cure to any of the Wings problems.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:59 PM

I disagree he has decent size IIRC. And is a short term answer at 2c until we see if Weiss will be and a long term answer at 1c once dat retires. He is a perfect guy to have for the next 4-8 years depending how long he maintains his level of play.

Yup just looked 6 3 220. AND for those who don't know....IS A RIGHTY

 

What good is decent size if you don't use it?  He has a reach advantage...that's about it...

 

I like Spezza...but to be drooling over his size like he's some kind of power forward is just silly.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:02 PM

so BM is throwing the next guy under the bus by going publically with his demands ? Way to screw over your pricetag now everyone knows Spezza wants out. Great player and sadly another one getting run out of town because the Canadian media is out of control.

 

Murray's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If it goes public, "He's throwing Spezza under the bus. The little s***." If it doesn't go public, "He forced Spezza out, all secret-like. The little s***." All I "know" is, from all the things I've seen and heard and read about the state of the Sens organ-I-zation, it's a screwed up enterprise. And it has very little to do with Bryan Murray (who I rank as a really good GM) and a whole lot to do with the owner, Eugene Melnyk, who's insane and/or evil.

 

I don't know if Spezza has a NTC or NMC or whatever, but I'm guessing Murray's probably not in a position to be super-choosy about the ultimate destination, i.e. I think Detroit is, in theory, a possibility, given our wealth of good young assets and futures. (Plus, the similarities in our systems and emphasis on skill and possession.) Remember, they're a budget team, not a cap team; they want cost control. I mean, sure, ideally they'd probably do a "hockey trade" (value for value), but, failing that, they'll look to bring in a couple solid young players and a good pick. Again, I think that puts us in the conversation. If nothing else, this screams Ken Holland. Screams.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:04 PM

@RedWingsFeed: Spezza gives list of 10 teams he wont accept a trade: The Senators captain will... http://t.co/2NHuEa5re8 via @NHLonNBCSports #RedWings

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#26 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:15 PM

@RedWingsFeed: Spezza gives list of 10 teams he wont accept a trade: The Senators captain will... http://t.co/2NHuEa5re8 via @NHLonNBCSports #RedWings


I'm going to assume we are not in that list which means we have a 1 in 20 chance of trading for Spezza.....so your telling me there's a chance!

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:17 PM

A few  more thoughts:

  • I guess Spezza for Kesler makes sense, in theory. But I'm not sure the Canucks would be thrilled with that trade, unless Kesler is just balls-to-the-walls get-me-the-hell-outta-here, in which case, sure, Spezza sounds awesome.
  • Spezza's big, but, yes - he's soft as a baby's bottom. And kinda lazy. He's an elite 1C in this league, no question about it - but as other are saying, he doesn't scream "THE ANSWER."
  • ...However, we don't need an ANSWER. At least, not in our forward corps. At the very least, Spezza would be a solid complimentary player who would, in theory, hold down the 2C spot (the less time Z has to spend playing pivot, the better), and take over for Datsyuk when he leaves.
  • Personally, I want us to go young with the forwards. But we're definitely lacking a high-end centerman in the pipeline. The hope is that Sheahan can become a 2C. Interestingly, his stats for this  season - basic and advanced - suggest that's very realistic.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:21 PM

 
You can never have too many two way players.
 
Spezza would make our second line better offensively, but lets not forget there were only 4 forwards in the league with worse +/- numbers.
 
He's not the cure to any of the Wings problems.


Yes in a way you can. I'm not saying go capitals be all offense by any means. BUT. Having a couple guys who focus in and excel in offense would be good. If be ok if some didn't play defense but was consistently scoring 35-40+ goals every year. We NEED one guy like that.

Also IF and for the sake of the wings I HOPE SO but IF actually lives up to his contract and is a 2c spezza can then be a winger for us.

Of all the guys rumored to be available he clearly makes the most sense. Hell I'd be ok with Alfie back then. Alfie Weiss and spezza as number two line is good. Meaning nyquist or Franzen is on number 1 and other on third. It's a move that not only helps us and gives us insurance now but can help us down the road if he gets an extension.

I'm going to assume we are not in that list which means we have a 1 in 20 chance of trading for Spezza.....so your telling me there's a chance!


And I assume 5-10 teams don't or can't get him on his list so here's to hoping a 1-10 chance!!!!

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:35 PM

Yes in a way you can. I'm not saying go capitals be all offense by any means. BUT. Having a couple guys who focus in and excel in offense would be good. If be ok if some didn't play defense but was consistently scoring 35-40+ goals every year. We NEED one guy like that.

Also IF and for the sake of the wings I HOPE SO but IF actually lives up to his contract and is a 2c spezza can then be a winger for us.

Of all the guys rumored to be available he clearly makes the most sense. Hell I'd be ok with Alfie back then. Alfie Weiss and spezza as number two line is good. Meaning nyquist or Franzen is on number 1 and other on third. It's a move that not only helps us and gives us insurance now but can help us down the road if he gets an extension.

And I assume 5-10 teams don't or can't get him on his list so here's to hoping a 1-10 chance!!!!

 

Yeah but of that 5-10 teams, Detroit joins that list the minute Bryan Murray asks for a roster player... damnit Kenny

 

Murray traded Heatley before for Cheechoo and Michalek, so we could do something like Weiss and Franzen, players past their prime who (could) find their groove. Franzen is familiar with Paul MacLean as well. Doesn't seem like a great deal but Murray isn't a great GM, he just might bite on this. Ottawa needs roster players not more prospects



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:40 PM

Yes in a way you can. I'm not saying go capitals be all offense by any means. BUT. Having a couple guys who focus in and excel in offense would be good. If be ok if some didn't play defense but was consistently scoring 35-40+ goals every year. We NEED one guy like that.

Also IF and for the sake of the wings I HOPE SO but IF actually lives up to his contract and is a 2c spezza can then be a winger for us.

Of all the guys rumored to be available he clearly makes the most sense. Hell I'd be ok with Alfie back then. Alfie Weiss and spezza as number two line is good. Meaning nyquist or Franzen is on number 1 and other on third. It's a move that not only helps us and gives us insurance now but can help us down the road if he gets an extension.

And I assume 5-10 teams don't or can't get him on his list so here's to hoping a 1-10 chance!!!!

 

What good is a guy who scores 35-40 goals a year if he's on the ice for 70-75 against?

 

I'd rather the guy who scores 20 but is a plus player, especially when you're talking about a center.

 

I'm not opposed to going after Spezza but he'll have to drastically change his game to fit into Babcock's system..


 

Yeah but of that 5-10 teams, Detroit joins that list the minute Bryan Murray asks for a roster player... damnit Kenny

 

Murray traded Heatley before for Cheechoo and Michalek, so we could do something like Weiss and Franzen, players past their prime who (could) find their groove. Franzen is familiar with Paul MacLean as well. Doesn't seem like a great deal but Murray isn't a great GM, he just might bite on this. Ottawa needs roster players not more prospects

 

Nobody is going to take Weiss under any circumstances, nor are the Wings looking to deal Franzen.

 

Ottawa wants a 1st, a roster player and a prospect for Spezza.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 02:15 PM

Spezza for Kesler makes no sense considering Kesler has a no trade clause, has listed his 6 teams, and Ottawa isn't one of them. 


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 02:41 PM

 

Ottawa wants a 1st, a roster player and a prospect for Spezza.

 

Miller, Ferraro, and our first pick in the 7th round.  :tounge:


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 02:49 PM

 
What good is a guy who scores 35-40 goals a year if he's on the ice for 70-75 against?
 
I'd rather the guy who scores 20 but is a plus player, especially when you're talking about a center.
 
I'm not opposed to going after Spezza but he'll have to drastically change his game to fit into Babcock's system..

 
Nobody is going to take Weiss under any circumstances, nor are the Wings looking to deal Franzen.
 
Ottawa wants a 1st, a roster player and a prospect for Spezza.


When the wings were winning championships the grind line enforcers scored 20 a year LOL. We have guys who do that now and we barely make playoffs. Spezza IMO will help with that not only him but the two guys on his line as well.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 03:09 PM

Ah, now I won't be able to hear Murray attempt to say Spezza with his lisp again.

Ottawa just seems to me one of the worst run organizations. Just think of all the good players they've let go:

 

Ben Bishop

Brian Elliot

Ray Emery (Okay, he did fight with other players on his own team)

 

Hossa

Chara

Fischer

Havlet

Vermette

 

I'm sure there's many more - that's just off the top of my head. Even if they didn't keep all those players, they should have a better team with those assets passing through.

 

Heatley demanded a trade (Yes, he's has an attitude problem) 

Alfie wanted out

Now Spezza demanded out

 

Hopefully Karlsson demands a trade at some point.


Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk, 12 June 2014 - 03:17 PM.


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 03:24 PM

hey we can resign alfie

sign heatly

and trade for spezza

 

nice 2nd line



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 03:56 PM

When the wings were winning championships the grind line enforcers scored 20 a year LOL. We have guys who do that now and we barely make playoffs. Spezza IMO will help with that not only him but the two guys on his line as well.

 

They didn't score 20 a year but they were + players. They at least kept the puck out of our net. You could take all the -'s of the Grind Lines entire careers with the Wings and it would be about equal to Spezza's -'s from just last year.

 

To put it as clearly as possible because you don't seem to be getting it...when Spezza is on the ice, the puck goes in his net more than he and his line-mates can put it in the oppositions. Until he can change that he'll never be able to play under Babcock.



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 04:04 PM

 
They didn't score 20 a year but they were + players. They at least kept the puck out of our net. You could take all the -'s of the Grind Lines entire careers with the Wings and it would be about equal to Spezza's -'s from just last year.
 
To put it as clearly as possible because you don't seem to be getting it...when Spezza is on the ice, the puck goes in his net more than he and his line-mates can put it in the oppositions. Until he can change that he'll never be able to play under Babcock.


Haven't we learned by now + - isn't really a good stat. I mean look at his team. When you're on a bad team your stats will look worse simple as that.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 04:15 PM

I don't want Spezza on this team, but this plus minus talk is silly.  You can't use his -26 this year against him and then fail to give him credit for his career +53.  He's got a better career plus minus than Mike Richards, who was a finalist for the Selke Trophy. 

 

Either it's a terrible stat and shouldn't be used at all, or it's a good enough stat which has to be used to validate a player just as much as it's used to denigrate them. 

 

Personally, I don't think Spezza's a great defensive player.  BUT, he's better than his -26 indicated this season, and he's probably worse than his career high +26 indicates as well. 


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 05:35 PM

Spezza for Kesler makes no sense considering Kesler has a no trade clause, has listed his 6 teams, and Ottawa isn't one of them. 

What are the six teams?

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 06:09 PM

What are the six teams?


Are we talking about spezza or Kesler list of teams,i do know that spezza gave a list of 10 teams that he doesn't wanna be traded to

Edited by PredsFanTheBayouState, 12 June 2014 - 06:12 PM.






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