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But his former teammate? Sheesh. I dated a girl named Naomi years ago, pronounced NAY-oh-mee. Some of her friends nevertheless called her NIGH-oh-mee. Some people just don't look outside themselves enough, I guess. Or something.

But in this case both pronounciations are wrong so it's not like Ozzie would all of a sudden say it right if he changed to the other way.

I really hope name pronunciations don't deter Holland from getting a good player.

Could be why we have so few Russians and Czechs these days?

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He refuses to take the blame and always uses "the market" or "the salary cap era" as an excuse. He will never change because he will never see it as his fault.

While I don't necessarily agree with your words, I do think it may be an issue that KH and current management was weened during the Illitch $ era and not in the salary cap era.

Maybe a fresh GM that was weened in the cap era and knows no other way, and is savvy within its restrictions might be what the club needs. Just as the team is trying to retool on the fly, maybe management needs fresh minds to meet the demands of this new era, while retaining some of what made it great, albeit in a different role.

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Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..

The article I read say they could be trading him for a pick. I would give up a 2nd rounder for him. He is only 26. He has come close to the 30 point mark 3 times in his career and 2 seasons ago had 29 points in 45 games. He isn't quite as good as Niskanen but he isn't too bad for his cap hit.

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The article I read say they could be trading him for a pick. I would give up a 2nd rounder for him. He is only 26. He has come close to the 30 point mark 3 times in his career and 2 seasons ago had 29 points in 45 games. He isn't quite as good as Niskanen but he isn't too bad for his cap hit.

If he isn't that bad why would the Leafs get rid off him then ? Or is he in Carlyles famous doghouse?

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Cody Franson is 6'5" right shooting, had 33 points last season, and carries a low cap hit. We should be giving him a hell of a look. I think he would be cheaper to get than Myers.

There were/are half of dozen short term options better than Quincey still available,but as mentioned,let's stay pat for now...unless we could move Kindl or Lashoff somehow

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Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..

We aren't going to miss playoffs. We will have Nyquist for a full season. No Olympics. Healthiest Z in years. We will finally make playoffs easily again.

I mean, even if the team stayed the same it would do better without so many crazy injuries.

Our defense and disappearing offense will kill us in the first round again, though.

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We aren't going to miss playoffs. We will have Nyquist for a full season. No Olympics. Healthiest Z in years. We will finally make playoffs easily again. I mean, even if the team stayed the same it would do better without so many crazy injuries. Our defense and disappearing offense will kill us in the first round again, though. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

That's exactly my fear and personally I know - I'm alone with that mindset - I'd rather miss the playoffs and start a rebuild instead of getting bounced in 4 or 5 games against Boston, Pittsburgh.

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I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument. Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010. They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011. They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012. They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago. And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston.

Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time. Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals. Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit.

We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore. Our up and comers aren't good enough yet. And everybody else is just average.

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I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument. Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010. They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011. They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012. They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago. And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston.

Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time. Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals. Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit.

We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore. Our up and comers aren't good enough yet. And everybody else is just average.

Took the words out of me wanted to post exactly that. Bergeron played through a tremendous amount of injuries, Quick played with a wrist hernia guys it's the playoffs nobody is 100 %. Even in 2009 we lost against a better and grittier Pens team, they've had injuries too so no excuses.

We have 2 aging superstars, lot's of questionable prospects with unknown updside and an atrocious defense don't even want to think about where they would be without Danny D.

this team hasn't been good enough since our last stanley cup run, period.

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I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument. Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010. They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011. They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012. They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago. And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston.

Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time. Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals. Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit.

We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore. Our up and comers aren't good enough yet. And everybody else is just average.

Epic post dude. Couldn't agree more.

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So what about the injuries? Even if the key guys are healthy, we now have younger, hungrier, speedier depth with our kid 3rd line to start with.

Injuries while debilitating, aren't a total excuse. But there's no denying what we could have done if we had Dekeyser 2 years ago for the Chicago series.

And why not be optimistic about this season? A full season from Sheahan, Jurco and Tatar could generate 60 goals between them. 20 more from Nyquist. Maybe 15-20 from a healthy Weiss too. That's nearly 80 goals that we didn't have this season. I'm not saying it'll turn us into world beaters, but we've definitely got more talent now than we had a couple of years ago.

And yes you can say that the kids went to sleep against Boston. But how many playoff years did it take Datsyuk and Z to figure it out and elevate their play to the next level in the postseason? There's a reason why the Cup is the hardest trophy to win in pro sports.

Frankly I don't care what's gone before anymore. The point is, we're starting a new season, with a roster that is good enough IMO to make the playoffs. Once you get in, who the hell knows what might happen.

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And why not be optimistic about this season? A full season from Sheahan, Jurco and Tatar could generate 60 goals between them. 20 more from Nyquist. Maybe 15-20 from a healthy Weiss too. That's nearly 80 goals that we didn't have this season. I'm not saying it'll turn us into world beaters, but we've definitely got more talent now than we had a couple of years ago.

And we still have no defense...

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Frankly I don't care what's gone before anymore. The point is, we're starting a new season, with a roster that is good enough IMO to make the playoffs. Once you get in, who the hell knows what might happen.

If recent history is any indication we'll get butchered by a better team in rounds one or two. That's not going to change with a bad defense, an average goalie, and a bunch of kids who are improving just as fast as our core players are declining.

And it's most definitely not going to change if Ken Holland, and his apologists, have an endless list of excuses for not making the team better.

Every other team in the league has young talent playing for it too. If our strategy is to "just let the kids develop" without doing anything else, how are we any better off than any other team who's letting their young players improve as well? You think Boston and Pittsburgh don't have young guys who are getting better too?

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Frankly I don't care what's gone before anymore. The point is, we're starting a new season, with a roster that is good enough IMO to make the playoffs. Once you get in, who the hell knows what might happen.

Getting swept or wiped out against one of the top teams (i.e Pittsburgh, Boston)

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If recent history is any indication we'll get butchered by a better team in rounds one or two. That's not going to change with a bad defense, an average goalie, and a bunch of kids who are improving just as fast as our core players are declining.

And it's most definitely not going to change if Ken Holland, and his apologists, have an endless list of excuses for not making the team better.

Every other team in the league has young talent playing for it too. If our strategy is to "just let the kids develop" without doing anything else, how are we any better off than any other team who's letting their young players improve as well? You think Boston and Pittsburgh don't have young guys who are getting better too?

Let me set this straight. I'm for upgrading and improving our team. Obviously, I'd like us to win a cup sooner rather than later, but I also realise, that by being consistently successful and not therefore getting high draft picks, drafting well is important. Which we have done. Personally, I feel that we now have enough youth that are either in our lineup right now or in GR to actually ice a very competitive team in the next 2 years.

Would I have liked KH to have been able to sign one of the D men we have been debating on here for the last week or two? Sure I would. But it didn't happen. I'm not blind to the fact that we need to improve our D. Another year under the belts of Smith and Dekeyser will go a long way to helping things. But yes, I'm disappointed in KH for not being able to acquire someone better, but it is what it is. IMO, there isn';t much point sitting around throwing s*** about how bad a GM he is. Yes he hasn't made some great decisions lately, and I'll say that. What I will say however is that he has put us in a position to be continually competing, and with our current crop of forwards things look bright. If our kids get a chance on the back end, then we'll be better too.

Some of you want sweeping changes across the board. And I would agree with you if we didn;'t have a dearth of young talent in our lineup right now, if we had no prospects in GR who are ready to help and will be given (by the sounds of it) every opportunity to help the team. If we were having losing seasons and had no bright sparks for the future, then by all means, blow it up and fire everyone.

As for getting into the playoffs. Anything can happen, and I couldn't give a damn about how two teams stack up on paper. Yes Boston beat us in 5, but you can't sit here and say that we didn't play well enough to at least get that to 6 games. And the year before. How many people can honestly say they picked the Wings to knock off the Ducks? The team we have right now is a hell of a lot better than that one was.

I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses. Nor drinking the cool aid. What I can see though is that patience, and timely additions in the next 2 season will put this team back where it all belongs. And I firmly believe that this season will be better than the one that has just gone. If people disagree, then that is their prerogative, but I won't' call for an overhaul when it's clearly not worth it, especially when we can ice a competitive team in a weak conference.

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Let me set this straight. I'm for upgrading and improving our team. Obviously, I'd like us to win a cup sooner rather than later, but I also realise, that by being consistently successful and not therefore getting high draft picks, drafting well is important. Which we have done. Personally, I feel that we now have enough youth that are either in our lineup right now or in GR to actually ice a very competitive team in the next 2 years.

Would I have liked KH to have been able to sign one of the D men we have been debating on here for the last week or two? Sure I would. But it didn't happen. I'm not blind to the fact that we need to improve our D. Another year under the belts of Smith and Dekeyser will go a long way to helping things. But yes, I'm disappointed in KH for not being able to acquire someone better, but it is what it is. IMO, there isn';t much point sitting around throwing s*** about how bad a GM he is. Yes he hasn't made some great decisions lately, and I'll say that. What I will say however is that he has put us in a position to be continually competing, and with our current crop of forwards things look bright. If our kids get a chance on the back end, then we'll be better too.

Some of you want sweeping changes across the board. And I would agree with you if we didn;'t have a dearth of young talent in our lineup right now, if we had no prospects in GR who are ready to help and will be given (by the sounds of it) every opportunity to help the team. If we were having losing seasons and had no bright sparks for the future, then by all means, blow it up and fire everyone.

As for getting into the playoffs. Anything can happen, and I couldn't give a damn about how two teams stack up on paper. Yes Boston beat us in 5, but you can't sit here and say that we didn't play well enough to at least get that to 6 games. And the year before. How many people can honestly say they picked the Wings to knock off the Ducks? The team we have right now is a hell of a lot better than that one was.

I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses. Nor drinking the cool aid. What I can see though is that patience, and timely additions in the next 2 season will put this team back where it all belongs. And I firmly believe that this season will be better than the one that has just gone. If people disagree, then that is their prerogative, but I won't' call for an overhaul when it's clearly not worth it, especially when we can ice a competitive team in a weak conference.

It's a long post, so I bolded the things I agree with, and italicized the things I don't. My main counterpoints are as follows: 1) The fact that we're not having losing seasons is not a good reason to avoid making smart personnel moves. Pittsburgh fired their GM and coach after 4 or 5 early playoff exits. We pat ours on the back and tell them they did a good job because at least they weren't as bad as Buffalo 2) Our standards as an organization should be higher than "competing in a weak conference". Holland used to say he wanted to challenge for the cup every year. Now he's content to scrape into the playoffs and "see what happens. 3) It's not either/or when it comes to letting kids play vs. acquiring pieces we need. We've got more kids than spots. Some of them can be used to acquire players that help us now. We can't give all of Quellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman, and Jenson spots. Not while keeping Knonwall, Ericsson, Smith, and Dekeyser. Likewise there's probably not enough room for all of Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Sheahan, Mantha with the roster we have. And IF you keep all those guys then there's definitely not room for all of Helm, Glendening, Miller, Abby. And all of that is assuming that Kindl is traded, Lashoff is traded, Andersson is traded.

Oh, and before the ill advised Quincey signing we also had about 14 million in cap space to do it.

Fact is, we've got more than enough assets to make our team competitive now without mortgaging the organization's future. So why not do it?

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Getting swept or wiped out against one of the top teams (i.e Pittsburgh, Boston)

We met the worst matchup last year, if we got Pittsburgh it could have been a totally different outcome. Last year everyone wanted to match up against Pittsburgh because we had a chance to beat them, now all of a sudden we can't beat them with the exact same team and they have gotten worse?

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