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To be fair your argument makes no sense.

You are comparing Quincey signing to Legwand signing and they don't even play the same position, not to mention we don't need anymore centers especially ones that won't be utilized correctly (Babcock putting him on 4th line in the playoffs :no: )

My argument is look at out lack of center depth and question marks...legwand on a one or two year deal would've been good.

Whereas defense where our question marks elite defense? Quincey isn't. Right handed defenseman? Quincey isn't. Depth defenseman? Quincey is but well would you rather have Quincey or marchenko? Or sproul? Or oullete? Etc etc

At center right now we got dat Weiss Sheahan and helm. Helm and dat have some injury issues. Weiss is the biggest question mark in this team. Can he stay healthy? If so, can he be a number two center again?

After those four we got z and glen. Z also has injury issues and is better to be at wing and glen is a fourth liner. Anderson is also a fourth liner.

The reason why legwand makes the most sense of any of our UFAs is because he is a cheaper insurance policy for injuries which WILL happen and for if Weiss can't live up to his contract. If they do....then put legwand at wing hell he had 50+ points.

So yes comparing legwand to Quincey in terms of ho is a bigger need an cost is quite easy...if you think.

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My argument is look at out lack of center depth and question marks...legwand on a one or two year deal would've been good.

Whereas defense where our question marks elite defense? Quincey isn't. Right handed defenseman? Quincey isn't. Depth defenseman? Quincey is but well would you rather have Quincey or marchenko? Or sproul? Or oullete? Etc etc

At center right now we got dat Weiss Sheahan and helm. Helm and dat have some injury issues. Weiss is the biggest question mark in this team. Can he stay healthy? If so, can he be a number two center again?

After those four we got z and glen. Z also has injury issues and is better to be at wing and glen is a fourth liner. Anderson is also a fourth liner.

The reason why legwand makes the most sense of any of our UFAs is because he is a cheaper insurance policy for injuries which WILL happen and for if Weiss can't live up to his contract. If they do....then put legwand at wing hell he had 50+ points.

So yes comparing legwand to Quincey in terms of ho is a bigger need an cost is quite easy...if you think.

We have Dats, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, and Glendening

Zetterberg is also elite at C if we need him, and Franzen is a capable C as a last resort (don't turn this into an I hate Franzen thread)

Ur crazy to think we need more Cs, it's one of our deepest, if not the deepest, positions we have.

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We have Dats, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andersson, and Glendening

Zetterberg is also elite at C if we need him, and Franzen is a capable C as a last resort (don't turn this into an I hate Franzen thread)

Ur crazy to think we need more Cs, it's one of our deepest, if not the deepest, positions we have.

Do you even watch the wings? Like I'm not tryig to be mean...but really. Do you not remember ANDERSON as our top line center? What caused that? Injuries. The same injury prone players being injured and you think it's going to change this year why?

Why do you think year after year when the same players are injured Itll change this year? Legwand is just a cheap insurance policy that we now wont have.

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Do you even watch the wings? Like I'm not tryig to be mean...but really. Do you not remember ANDERSON as our top line center? What caused that? Injuries. The same injury prone players being injured and you think it's going to change this year why?

Why do you think year after year when the same players are injured Itll change this year? Legwand is just a cheap insurance policy that we now wont have.

Are you kidding??? Who was injured when AndersSon was playing??? Datsyuk... Zetterberg...Helm... Weiss... all those guys we just listed. DEPTH = 6-8 guys who can play center, NOT who can play center ON THE FIRST LINE.

I get the feeling you just like to argue with people. Half your arguments make no sense, other than to rile people up.

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Do you even watch the wings? Like I'm not tryig to be mean...but really. Do you not remember ANDERSON as our top line center? What caused that? Injuries. The same injury prone players being injured and you think it's going to change this year why?

Why do you think year after year when the same players are injured Itll change this year? Legwand is just a cheap insurance policy that we now wont have.

Logically speaking. I highly doubt all those players will be injured at the same time again, and with z having that surgery he may not even miss very many games now this year.

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Funny we were all super disappointed we didn't land him last year and now Philly has to beg people to take him. I think Niskanen is going to be a similar story.

Doubtful. Vinny is a guy who needed to play in a certain system with speedy players to be effective, and even in the situation his contract would stink. It was a head scratcher at the time why he went to the wrong situation in Philly, and now they are paying the price. Niskanen, while he may never score 40+ points again, will still probaby be a strong 2-way d-man until late in his deal.

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Do you even watch the wings? Like I'm not tryig to be mean...but really. Do you not remember ANDERSON as our top line center? What caused that? Injuries. The same injury prone players being injured and you think it's going to change this year why?

Why do you think year after year when the same players are injured Itll change this year? Legwand is just a cheap insurance policy that we now wont have.

Legwand is not a CHEAP insurance policy by any means.

Big surprise, I do watch the wings, and yes u r just trying to be mean.

Ppl r talking about trading Helm cause we have too many centers lol

Do you even watch the wings? Like I'm not tryig to be mean...but really. Do you not remember ANDERSON as our top line center? What caused that? Injuries. The same injury prone players being injured and you think it's going to change this year why?

Why do you think year after year when the same players are injured Itll change this year? Legwand is just a cheap insurance policy that we now wont have.

Legwand is not a CHEAP insurance policy by any means.

Big surprise, I do watch the wings, and yes u r just trying to be mean.

Ppl r talking about trading Helm cause we have too many centers lol

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If you hate Helen St. James as much as I do, do yourself a favor and read this. It takes hackery to an entirely new level. If I'm understanding this correctly, especially the last paragraph, her argument seems to be, "Wings fans shouldn't be upset about free agency because this year FAs had reasons to go elsewhere". Which, apparently, is totally different than every other year when free agents just sign willy nilly. Daniel Alfredsson leaves Ottawa after 17 years and it's "time for a change of scenery", but Dan Boyle signs with NYR and it's "couldn't be avoided, he and Martin St. Louis played together ten years ago".

She actually suggested that Niskanen signed in Washington because his former coach now coaches there. As if that's special. If that's all it takes to woo FAs can we hurry up and hire some former assistant coaches?

http://www.freep.com/article/20140703/SPORTS05/307030047/detroit-red-wings-optimism

I hate her as much as the next guy, but when I played, I switched to a team based an hour away to play for my old coach.

Then when he retired I went and played for a different high schools team to play with a few of my old linemates.

Not that I agree or disagree with her., just saying.

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My argument is look at out lack of center depth and question marks...legwand on a one or two year deal would've been good.

Whereas defense where our question marks elite defense? Quincey isn't. Right handed defenseman? Quincey isn't. Depth defenseman? Quincey is but well would you rather have Quincey or marchenko? Or sproul? Or oullete? Etc etc

At center right now we got dat Weiss Sheahan and helm. Helm and dat have some injury issues. Weiss is the biggest question mark in this team. Can he stay healthy? If so, can he be a number two center again?

After those four we got z and glen. Z also has injury issues and is better to be at wing and glen is a fourth liner. Anderson is also a fourth liner.

The reason why legwand makes the most sense of any of our UFAs is because he is a cheaper insurance policy for injuries which WILL happen and for if Weiss can't live up to his contract. If they do....then put legwand at wing hell he had 50+ points.

So yes comparing legwand to Quincey in terms of ho is a bigger need an cost is quite easy...if you think.

Not to throw another log on the fire, but you essentially talked yourself out of your own argument. You're saying we have no depth at C, yet then went on to list 7 guys, yes 7, who are extremely competent at C, with at least 3 of them who could play 1C. You've also omitted Franzen, who's a natural C.

How would it help by re-signing Legwand? He didn't play that well nor did he seem to fit into the system. It'll just force Jurco to start the season in the minors, which means the kid line will be broken up. By having Legwand, if when everyone is healthy, it means that he'll probably end up playing wing. I don't see how it helps.

You can't even say now that we lack prospect depth at C after this years draft.

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it's eklund... i wouldn't read too much into it.

and as far as posting tweets go, I usually just copy and paste.

Hockey Buzz Eklund @Eklund 1h

hearing Red Wings with interest in former Norther Michigan Star Mike Santorelli

Santorelli signed with the Leafs. So... yeah. Way to go Eklund. You're the man!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456357

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Jason Spezza and Ludvig Karlsson to the Dallas Stars for Alex Chiasson, Alex Guptill, Nick Paul and a

2015 2nd round pick.

I love Jim Nill. In a calendar year, he has turned Loui Eriksson and Alex Chiasson into Tyler Seguin and Jason Spezza.

Got that text from a friend earlier in the week. Really a shame he had to go, jealous of Dallas fans for sure right now.
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List of signed and still available free agents on ESPN.com.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/freeagents/_/sort/signDate

How the heck has Benoit not been signed yet? Offensive defenseman, plus player, would be happy signing him for a two year deal.

Brookbank wouldn't be bad either. More stay at home style, but light years more dependable than Kindl or Lashoff.

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Logically speaking. I highly doubt all those players will be injured at the same time again, and with z having that surgery he may not even miss very many games now this year.

It's fine being optimistic like that but I don't see what the issue is with just having an insurance policy? When the same players have been injury prone have a back up plan IS THE SAFE THING TO DO. Now holland is putting all his eggs in the "if we stay healthy basket".

Not to throw another log on the fire, but you essentially talked yourself out of your own argument. You're saying we have no depth at C, yet then went on to list 7 guys, yes 7, who are extremely competent at C, with at least 3 of them who could play 1C. You've also omitted Franzen, who's a natural C.

How would it help by re-signing Legwand? He didn't play that well nor did he seem to fit into the system. It'll just force Jurco to start the season in the minors, which means the kid line will be broken up. By having Legwand, if when everyone is healthy, it means that he'll probably end up playing wing. I don't see how it helps.

You can't even say now that we lack prospect depth at C after this years draft.

Yes I listed 7. 4 or 5 who WILL BE INJURED and three who are fourth liners. That's not enough and as of right now we DONT have a number 2 center. Maybe Weiss lives up to it maybe not.

Nothing wrong with an insurance policy especially when we got the cap space and yes 3m a year for a 50 point guy is cheap.

We also need a top 6 winger not named Alfie or cleary. And IF Weiss lives up to contract(I still doubt it) I'd try legwand at winger cause he is better then any options left in free agency because holland s*** the bed again.

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There are a few guys on that list worth looking at. I'm sure the teams got the supposed cream of the crop the first day and then everyone went on vacation. More to come next week or so I have to think.

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It's fine being optimistic like that but I don't see what the issue is with just having an insurance policy? When the same players have been injury prone have a back up plan IS THE SAFE THING TO DO. Now holland is putting all his eggs in the "if we stay healthy basket".

Yes I listed 7. 4 or 5 who WILL BE INJURED and three who are fourth liners. That's not enough and as of right now we DONT have a number 2 center. Maybe Weiss lives up to it maybe not.

Nothing wrong with an insurance policy especially when we got the cap space and yes 3m a year for a 50 point guy is cheap.

We also need a top 6 winger not named Alfie or cleary. And IF Weiss lives up to contract(I still doubt it) I'd try legwand at winger cause he is better then any options left in free agency because holland s*** the bed again.

Legwand at 3 mill for 3 years likely blocks a kid down the road

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Plus we have Nosek Campbell Porter Miele Pulkinnen and now possibly AA and Mantha fighting for a forward position. Just adding one of those guys puts us at the 23 man roster limit assuming Danny D and Tatar re-sign. There's no room for Legwand whether u like it or not.

And there's Ferraro and Callahan. Lots of prospects clamoring to play.

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It's fine being optimistic like that but I don't see what the issue is with just having an insurance policy? When the same players have been injury prone have a back up plan IS THE SAFE THING TO DO. Now holland is putting all his eggs in the "if we stay healthy basket".

Yes I listed 7. 4 or 5 who WILL BE INJURED and three who are fourth liners. That's not enough and as of right now we DONT have a number 2 center. Maybe Weiss lives up to it maybe not.

Nothing wrong with an insurance policy especially when we got the cap space and yes 3m a year for a 50 point guy is cheap.

We also need a top 6 winger not named Alfie or cleary. And IF Weiss lives up to contract(I still doubt it) I'd try legwand at winger cause he is better then any options left in free agency because holland s*** the bed again.

Plus we have Nosek Campbell Porter Miele Pulkinnen and now possibly AA and Mantha fighting for a forward position. Just adding one of those guys puts us at the 23 man roster limit assuming Danny D and Tatar re-sign. There's no room for Legwand whether u like it or not.

And there's Ferraro and Callahan. Lots of prospects clamoring to play.

Exactly. It's not like we're lacking in potential forward depth up front. We've got guys who will be able to step in when players go down.

Why would you pay $3m+ for a guy like Legwand when he's just going to be played by babs on the 4th line. He's definitely not going to be getting 50 points that way.

I don't see the need for the insurance policy, because not only does it block several kids now and in the future, we also have an established 2nd line NHL centre in Weiss. Granted he's coming back from injury, but this isn't Niskanen we're talking about here. Weiss had several productive years in florida.

And do you really think 5 of those C's will be injured all at the same time again? Last year was a freak year for injuries. Of those on your list only Andersson and Glendening are 4th liners. Sheahan and Helm have shown their ability to be good 3rd line centres. Which leaves Datsyuk, Z and Weiss. Whom I don't think are 4th liners.

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Legwand at 3 mill for 3 years likely blocks a kid down the road

Except he got a two year deal and it is literally just as an insurance policy.

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Except he got a two year deal and it is literally just as an insurance policy.

Ignore my other points and nitpick the term. Whatever was, 2 years, is still blocking kids that r ready now and even more ready next year. Plus many will need to re-sign and well have 3 mill tied up in a 4th line C for 2 more years

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Phone keeps double posting idk y

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Ignore my other points and nitpick the term. Whatever was, 2 years, is still blocking kids that r ready now and even more ready next year. Plus many will need to re-sign and well have 3 mill tied up in a 4th line C for 2 more years

So him being a 48 point guy on a worse team is a 4th center. But Franzen who averages 49 points is top 6 and injury prone Weiss is a 2c who also is 48 points a season right?

Nice logic LOL

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