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#1461 Ekmanc

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:23 PM

 

But his former teammate? Sheesh. I dated a girl named Naomi years ago, pronounced NAY-oh-mee. Some of her friends nevertheless called her NIGH-oh-mee. Some people just don't look outside themselves enough, I guess. Or something.

But in this case both pronounciations are wrong so it's not like Ozzie would all of a sudden say it right if he changed to the other way.


I really hope name pronunciations don't deter Holland from getting a good player.

Could be why we have so few Russians and Czechs these days?



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:23 PM

I really hope name pronunciations don't deter Holland from getting a good player.

 

Oh, for crying out loud.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:24 PM

He refuses to take the blame and always uses "the market" or "the salary cap era" as an excuse. He will never change because he will never see it as his fault.




While I don't necessarily agree with your words, I do think it may be an issue that KH and current management was weened during the Illitch $ era and not in the salary cap era.

Maybe a fresh GM that was weened in the cap era and knows no other way, and is savvy within its restrictions might be what the club needs. Just as the team is trying to retool on the fly, maybe management needs fresh minds to meet the demands of this new era, while retaining some of what made it great, albeit in a different role.

#1464 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:27 PM

Cody Franson is 6'5" right shooting, had 33 points last season, and carries a low cap hit. We should be giving him a hell of a look. I think he would be cheaper to get than Myers.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:27 PM

I really hope name pronunciations don't deter Holland from getting a good player.


Or else we'll never get Rodrigenstizzlean Kompfeerzuzabelt. Kid's a rocket!

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:33 PM

Or else we'll never get Rodrigenstizzlean Kompfeerzuzabelt. Kid's a rocket!

 

I know him!  It's Ziggerwaggelitus and Figglywigbandersnatch's son.  What a lovely family.  I have to remember to send them a Christmas card this year. 


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:37 PM

Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..


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#1468 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:41 PM

Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..


The article I read say they could be trading him for a pick. I would give up a 2nd rounder for him. He is only 26. He has come close to the 30 point mark 3 times in his career and 2 seasons ago had 29 points in 45 games. He isn't quite as good as Niskanen but he isn't too bad for his cap hit.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:49 PM

The article I read say they could be trading him for a pick. I would give up a 2nd rounder for him. He is only 26. He has come close to the 30 point mark 3 times in his career and 2 seasons ago had 29 points in 45 games. He isn't quite as good as Niskanen but he isn't too bad for his cap hit.

 

If he isn't that bad why would the Leafs get rid off him then ? Or is he in Carlyles famous doghouse?


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

Cody Franson is 6'5" right shooting, had 33 points last season, and carries a low cap hit. We should be giving him a hell of a look. I think he would be cheaper to get than Myers.

There were/are half of dozen short term options better than Quincey still available,but as mentioned,let's stay pat for now...unless we could move Kindl or Lashoff somehow



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

 
If he isn't that bad why would the Leafs get rid off him then ? Or is he in Carlyles famous doghouse?


I think he has expressed his feelings for leaving Toronto.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 03:52 PM

Cody Franson and others...All I can say at least stay pat and don't make a bad situation worse. It is what it is and maybe if we finally miss the playoffs things are going to change..


We aren't going to miss playoffs. We will have Nyquist for a full season. No Olympics. Healthiest Z in years. We will finally make playoffs easily again.

I mean, even if the team stayed the same it would do better without so many crazy injuries.

Our defense and disappearing offense will kill us in the first round again, though.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:08 PM

We aren't going to miss playoffs. We will have Nyquist for a full season. No Olympics. Healthiest Z in years. We will finally make playoffs easily again. I mean, even if the team stayed the same it would do better without so many crazy injuries. Our defense and disappearing offense will kill us in the first round again, though. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

 

That's exactly my fear and personally I know - I'm alone with that mindset - I'd rather miss the playoffs and start a rebuild instead of getting bounced in 4 or 5 games against Boston, Pittsburgh.


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#1474 Ekmanc

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:18 PM

Doesn't matter if we make the playoffs, we're going nowhere with this s***ty defense corps.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:25 PM

I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010.  They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011.  They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012.  They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago.  And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston. 

 

Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time.  Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals.  Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit. 

 

We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore.  Our up and comers aren't good enough yet.  And everybody else is just average. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:31 PM

I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010.  They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011.  They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012.  They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago.  And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston. 

 

Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time.  Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals.  Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit. 

 

We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore.  Our up and comers aren't good enough yet.  And everybody else is just average. 

 

Took the words out of me wanted to post exactly that. Bergeron played through a tremendous amount of injuries, Quick played with a wrist hernia guys it's the playoffs nobody is 100 %. Even in 2009 we lost against a better and grittier Pens team, they've had injuries too so no excuses.

 

We have 2 aging superstars, lot's of questionable prospects with unknown updside and an atrocious defense don't even want to think about where they would be without Danny D.

 

this team hasn't been good enough since our last stanley cup run, period.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:51 PM

I'm so tired of this, "if we weren't injured" argument.  Datsyuk and Zetterberg weren't injured when we lost in the first round to San Jose in 2010.  They weren't injured when we lost in the second round to San Jose in 2011.  They weren't injured when we got embarrassed by Nashville in 2012.  They weren't injured when we blew a 3 games to 1 lead against Chicago a year ago.  And they very likely weren't the only people playing injured in this year's mauling by Boston. 
 
Another thing, people play hurt in the playoffs all the time.  Bergeron was nearly dead a year ago and Boston had no trouble making it to the finals.  Anybody that thinks a healthy Pavel or Hank change the outcome of our series isn't looking at recent history, and isn't taking into account the fact that injuries don't only happen to Detroit. 
 
We lose because our "elite" players aren't good enough anymore.  Our up and comers aren't good enough yet.  And everybody else is just average. 


Epic post dude. Couldn't agree more.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:53 PM

So what about the injuries? Even if the key guys are healthy, we now have younger, hungrier, speedier depth with our kid 3rd line to start with. 

 

Injuries while debilitating, aren't a total excuse. But there's no denying what we could have done if we had Dekeyser 2 years ago for the Chicago series. 

 

And why not be optimistic about this season? A full season from Sheahan, Jurco and Tatar could generate 60 goals between them. 20 more from Nyquist. Maybe 15-20 from a healthy Weiss too. That's nearly 80 goals that we didn't have this season. I'm not saying it'll turn us into world beaters, but we've definitely got more talent now than we had a couple of years ago. 

 

And yes you can say that the kids went to sleep against Boston. But how many playoff years did it take Datsyuk and Z to figure it out and elevate their play to the next level in the postseason? There's a reason why the Cup is the hardest trophy to win in pro sports. 

 

Frankly I don't care what's gone before anymore. The point is, we're starting a new season, with a roster that is good enough IMO to make the playoffs. Once you get in, who the hell knows what might happen. 


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:55 PM

And why not be optimistic about this season? A full season from Sheahan, Jurco and Tatar could generate 60 goals between them. 20 more from Nyquist. Maybe 15-20 from a healthy Weiss too. That's nearly 80 goals that we didn't have this season. I'm not saying it'll turn us into world beaters, but we've definitely got more talent now than we had a couple of years ago. 

And we still have no defense...



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:06 PM

Frankly I don't care what's gone before anymore. The point is, we're starting a new season, with a roster that is good enough IMO to make the playoffs. Once you get in, who the hell knows what might happen. 

 

If recent history is any indication we'll get butchered by a better team in rounds one or two.  That's not going to change with a bad defense, an average goalie, and a bunch of kids who are improving just as fast as our core players are declining. 

 

And it's most definitely not going to change if Ken Holland, and his apologists, have an endless list of excuses for not making the team better. 

 

Every other team in the league has young talent playing for it too.  If our strategy is to "just let the kids develop" without doing anything else, how are we any better off than any other team who's letting their young players improve as well?  You think Boston and Pittsburgh don't have young guys who are getting better too?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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