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#1721 BottleOfSmoke

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:46 PM

I mostly just took that position because I wanted to call someone "soft in the head". I wouldn't care if the took a flier on Mueller if it was a two way.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:23 AM

I mostly just took that position because I wanted to call someone "soft in the head". I wouldn't care if the took a flier on Mueller if it was a two way.

 

This post reeks of sexual innuendo. I approve.  *NSFW* !!

 

Back to Mueller ("Mueller? ... Mueller?"), some random guy thinks he'd be a good fit in Detroit:

 

http://www.rantsport...mueller/#slide3

 

Kevin Hayes, who I've talked up before, might also be an option.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 01:33 PM

Andre Benoit signs with Sabres. He was probably the best defenseman left on the market.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:07 PM

Leafs sign David Booth, 1 year/$1.1 million. 

 

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:14 AM

Avoiding the actual arbitration hearing, the Avalanche sign O'Reilly.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=457771

 

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger reports that the deal pays him $5.8 million next season and $6.2 million in 2015-16.

 

"There was never any animosity between us this whole time," O'Reilly told Adrian Dater of The Denver Post on Wednesday.

"Any of the perceived animosity came from the outside."


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:19 AM

:lol: Cleary is making more than Booth too? Hey Holland, Booth is a local kid, has some chemistry with Weiss, he just signed for $1.1M... I am just baffled. Baffled.  Why the hell wouldn't Holland give Booth a 1 year try?  All these guys that are getting bought out are signing 1 year deals for the cheap to earn the next big deal.  You have to figure Booth's camp called Holland.  Holland could have had him for pennies, now when he is a UFA next season, he will get a huge raise...He obviously didn't go to TO to win a Cup next year (like Heatley is trying to do and Richards as well.)  He was looking for a job to earn a fatter paycheck next season and Holland isn't even answering phone calls he is happy with his team and waiting to sign Alfie. I get more and more mad everyday watching quality (not high end, but quality) talent go elsewhere for less money than Cleary and #KFQ signed for...and ALL better than Cleary and #KFQ...

 

Sorry guys, its just so hard not to get frustrated and confused...


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:35 AM

:lol: Cleary is making more than Booth too? Hey Holland, Booth is a local kid, has some chemistry with Weiss, he just signed for $1.1M... I am just baffled. Baffled.  Why the hell wouldn't Holland give Booth a 1 year try?  All these guys that are getting bought out are signing 1 year deals for the cheap to earn the next big deal.  You have to figure Booth's camp called Holland.  Holland could have had him for pennies, now when he is a UFA next season, he will get a huge raise...He obviously didn't go to TO to win a Cup next year (like Heatley is trying to do and Richards as well.)  He was looking for a job to earn a fatter paycheck next season and Holland isn't even answering phone calls he is happy with his team and waiting to sign Alfie. I get more and more mad everyday watching quality (not high end, but quality) talent go elsewhere for less money than Cleary and #KFQ signed for...and ALL better than Cleary and #KFQ...
 
Sorry guys, its just so hard not to get frustrated and confused...


I think we all know by now and it's obvious that Holland is a respected man around the league but a terrible decision maker and was made to look like a hero when he took over a star-studded team that everyone wanted to play for and there were no cap concerns in stopping players from coming here. Well those glory days are over and we now see how truly incompetent Holland really is as a GM. I'm just wondering how long the Illitch family will be fooled into thinking he is still a top GM.

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:41 AM

:lol: Cleary is making more than Booth too? Hey Holland, Booth is a local kid, has some chemistry with Weiss, he just signed for $1.1M... I am just baffled. Baffled.  Why the hell wouldn't Holland give Booth a 1 year try?  All these guys that are getting bought out are signing 1 year deals for the cheap to earn the next big deal.  You have to figure Booth's camp called Holland.  Holland could have had him for pennies, now when he is a UFA next season, he will get a huge raise...He obviously didn't go to TO to win a Cup next year (like Heatley is trying to do and Richards as well.)  He was looking for a job to earn a fatter paycheck next season and Holland isn't even answering phone calls he is happy with his team and waiting to sign Alfie. I get more and more mad everyday watching quality (not high end, but quality) talent go elsewhere for less money than Cleary and #KFQ signed for...and ALL better than Cleary and #KFQ...

 

Sorry guys, its just so hard not to get frustrated and confused...

 

I think we all know by now and it's obvious that Holland is a respected man around the league but a terrible decision maker and was made to look like a hero when he took over a star-studded team that everyone wanted to play for and there were no cap concerns in stopping players from coming here. Well those glory days are over and we now see how truly incompetent Holland really is as a GM. I'm just wondering how long the Illitch family will be fooled into thinking he is still a top GM.

 

Comments like these make me want to cancel my subscription to LGWs.

 

Holland is now all of a sudden a bad GM because he didn't sign David friggin Booth?

 

Please.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:47 AM

 
 
Comments like these make me want to cancel my subscription to LGWs.
 
Holland is now all of a sudden a bad GM because he didn't sign David friggin Booth?
 
Please.


No that is not what I am saying. It's because he makes promises to washed up players like cleary and signs Quincey for over four mill per he could have signed another comparable left handed defensemen about 1.5 mill per. He tends to get bent over the barrel more than most GM's in the NHL. He is overly cautious and then when he realizes he has come up empty handed he makes a quick fix trade or signing that doesn't really help the team.

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 12:39 PM

Zombo, there is nothing wrong with being disappointed in Holland.  I simply said Booth was a hometown kid, more than likely gave Holland a call because most hometown kids do dream of playing for their childhood team.  But Holland is happy with his team and won't do another thing until he signs Alfie.

 

BTW David Friggin Booth is tons better than Dan s***stain Cleary.  Booth has proven to have chemistry with Weiss and that kind of chemistry is valuable around this league.  I was not saying that Booth was going to be the savior of this team, but I'd rather have Booth and 30-40 points at $1.1M than Cleary and his 10 games at $2.75M and probably 0-5 points.  Just saying.  And btw, where in my post did I say Holland is a bad GM? So, when you decide to comment on someone's quote, make sure you are quoting the correct post.


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 01:04 PM

Zombo, there is nothing wrong with being disappointed in Holland.  I simply said Booth was a hometown kid, more than likely gave Holland a call because most hometown kids do dream of playing for their childhood team.  But Holland is happy with his team and won't do another thing until he signs Alfie.

 

BTW David Friggin Booth is tons better than Dan s***stain Cleary.  Booth has proven to have chemistry with Weiss and that kind of chemistry is valuable around this league.  I was not saying that Booth was going to be the savior of this team, but I'd rather have Booth and 30-40 points at $1.1M than Cleary and his 10 games at $2.75M and probably 0-5 points.  Just saying.  And btw, where in my post did I say Holland is a bad GM? So, when you decide to comment on someone's quote, make sure you are quoting the correct post.

 

You didn't need to say it in your post. Your opinion on Holland has been well stated over the past year.

 

Booth is just as stupid a signing as Cleary, and then some, because when healthy, Cleary is an "every day-er" that's only one season removed from being one of our better playoff performers in 2013. Booth has had two good seasons with Florida and hasn't done jack squat in 3 years.

 

But the grass is always greener............


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 06:57 PM

I never understood the Cleary handshake agreement to begin with. Cleary was gone, he turned down a 3 year deal from the wings and we had no cap space left. Then he got a contract offer, turned around and told Holland he wanted to come back, and at that point Holland had the upper hand. He was ready to walk away before, so what changed? He gave him a one year contract offer and should have said, look Danny, I know you want more, but this is what we can afford (even though they couldn't) so take it or leave it. Instead told him he would get a raise the following year if he re-signed. Somehow from Cleary having no bargaining leverage, he got the upper hand, maybe Cleary should be our gm lol.

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:17 PM

I don't believe Cleary ever had a firm offer. At best I think it was tryout with Philly with a potential offer if he showed anything. St. Lame was really the only one pushing the idea he was turning down a guaranteed deal to come back.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 01:18 AM

I don't believe Cleary ever had a firm offer. At best I think it was tryout with Philly with a potential offer if he showed anything. St. Lame was really the only one pushing the idea he was turning down a guaranteed deal to come back.

 

Exactly…Cleary’s signing was conditional with Philly IF he could make the team. Cleary knew that he wouldn’t make the team so he went back to Babcock and Holland and said he wanted to play for the Wings knowing that Holland and Babcock had some weird hard on  for him. Hey if he can prove that he can make the roster (almost guaranteed) and be effective, I won’t hate the signing so much. But that is what it is. He’s back and pushing the youth back into GR AGAIN.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:25 AM

I never understood the Cleary handshake agreement to begin with. Cleary was gone, he turned down a 3 year deal from the wings and we had no cap space left. Then he got a contract offer, turned around and told Holland he wanted to come back, and at that point Holland had the upper hand. He was ready to walk away before, so what changed? He gave him a one year contract offer and should have said, look Danny, I know you want more, but this is what we can afford (even though they couldn't) so take it or leave it. Instead told him he would get a raise the following year if he re-signed. Somehow from Cleary having no bargaining leverage, he got the upper hand, maybe Cleary should be our gm lol.

The extra million this year should have been for getting 10 points, not playing 10 games.  His whopping 8 points last year in 52 games don't merit more than league minimum.  That's 4th line enforcer stats, especially when you account for his -11.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 09:04 AM

Zombo, I'm not sure I get how you think Cleary has so much more potential than Booth.  Booth has been very good every year in the league, except last year, not just 2 good years.  I think the only question with him is health.  He's done the following:

 

2008 - 40pts

2009 - 60pts

2010 - 16pts in injury shortened 28 games (extrapolates to 47pts over 82 games)

2011 - 40pts

2012 - 30pts in 62 games (extrapolates to 40pts over 82 games)

2013 - write-off due to injury

2014 - 19pts in 66 games.

 

So, yes, health is definitely a problem, but for a guy that can put up 40 - 60pts or more if healthy, a 1 year, $1.1M contract is basically zero risk.

 

For Cleary, he's been on a steady decline, which shouldn't be expected to change as he's continue to get older (he's 35 vs. Booth who is 29).  Cleary signed for $1.5M + potential $1M bonus + NTC.

 

Honestly, I don't think either deals are bad since the $$ are really low (below league average), but if I had to pick the better deal, it's obvious to me.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:39 AM

Zombo, I'm not sure I get how you think Cleary has so much more potential than Booth.  Booth has been very good every year in the league, except last year, not just 2 good years.  I think the only question with him is health.  He's done the following:

 

2008 - 40pts

2009 - 60pts

2010 - 16pts in injury shortened 28 games (extrapolates to 47pts over 82 games)

2011 - 40pts

2012 - 30pts in 62 games (extrapolates to 40pts over 82 games)

2013 - write-off due to injury

2014 - 19pts in 66 games.

 

So, yes, health is definitely a problem, but for a guy that can put up 40 - 60pts or more if healthy, a 1 year, $1.1M contract is basically zero risk.

 

For Cleary, he's been on a steady decline, which shouldn't be expected to change as he's continue to get older (he's 35 vs. Booth who is 29).  Cleary signed for $1.5M + potential $1M bonus + NTC.

 

Honestly, I don't think either deals are bad since the $$ are really low (below league average), but if I had to pick the better deal, it's obvious to me.

 

It's not so much that Cleary is better than Booth. It's that siging Cleary instead of Booth is not the scrotum-crushingly bad move that a few here were eager to declare.

 

Neither guy has been healthy recently. Booth has had some good regular seasons and Cleary has had some good playoffs. To me it's a wash. Booth might get the edge based on age where Cleary might get the edge based on time-served and past history (I know this is an unpopular opinion).

 

Regardless, it's certainly not a scenario where Booth at 1M is an unbelievable steal and Cleary at 1.5M makes Holland a terrible GM. (I know this is not how you feel, but my original response was directed at less even-tempered LGWers)


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 11:55 AM

I agree with you there, like I said, I don't think either is a bad deal.  I think the Booth deal is a better one, but I certainly wouldn't look at that one as a steal and think of the Cleary one as a terrible deal.  Both are low risk deals and while the Booth one is better (imo), it certainly isn't by a huge amount.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:25 PM

 

This post reeks of sexual innuendo. I approve.  *NSFW* !!

 

Back to Mueller ("Mueller? ... Mueller?"), some random guy thinks he'd be a good fit in Detroit:

 

http://www.rantsport...mueller/#slide3

 

Kevin Hayes, who I've talked up before, might also be an option.

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