Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 Yes. Now can we figure out how to get Franzen to play his wing with the Ducks????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 If you are a follower of advanced stats-which I admit I am not the biggest fan of, Richards 7.9 had a BETTER (HarD ranking) in 5 on 5 play, this year than franzen. So once again, sorry Richards is the better player. But again, neither are very good. So to review, Richards is younger, healthier, scores more goals, gets more assists, plays better defense (considering he was a 1C playing on a top line vs other teams best), and isn't a flake. While Richards has a slightly better defensive rating by that advanced stat, Franzen has a far better offensive rating by the same stat and is ranked as the better player overall. Here are their ratings last season in those stats. HarD (Defensive rating) - Richards 7.9 Franzen 5.3 HarO (Offensive Rating) - Richards -0.6 Franzen 4.0 HarT (Total Ranking) - Richards 3.7 Franzen 4.7 Overall Quality of Teammates Richards 9.7 Franzen 2.7 Overall Quality of Competition Richards -2.1 Franzen -1.6 Over the past 2 years the gap widens. HarD (Defensive rating) - Richards 14.5 Franzen 27.3 HarO (Offensive Rating) - Richards 5.8 Franzen 8.7 HarT (Total Ranking) - Richards 10.1 Franzen 18.0 Overall Quality of Teammates Richards 13.9 Franzen 6.7 Overall Quality of Competition Richards -2.6 Franzen -0.7 Here is the comparison over the past 3 seasons. HarD (Defensive rating) - Richards 5.8 Franzen 32.9 HarO (Offensive Rating) - Richards 6.6 Franzen 19.7 HarT (Total Ranking) - Richards 6.2 Franzen 26.3 Overall Quality of Teammates Richards 5.3 Franzen 11.9 Overall Quality of Competition Richards -2.2 Franzen 0.3 I don't think advanced stats are going to help you in making a case that Richards is the better player, especially when he was making twice as much money as Johan. 2 krsmith17 and jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted June 22, 2014 While Richards has a slightly better defensive rating by that advanced stat, Franzen has a far better offensive rating by the same stat and is ranked as the better player overall. Here are their ratings last season in those stats. HarD (Defensive rating) - Richards 7.9 Franzen 5.3 HarO (Offensive Rating) - Richards -0.6 Franzen 4.0 HarT (Total Ranking) - Richards 3.7 Franzen 4.7 Overall Quality of Teammates Richards 9.7 Franzen 2.7 Overall Quality of Competition Richards -2.1 Franzen -1.6 Over the past 2 years the gap widens. HarD (Defensive rating) - Richards 14.5 Franzen 27.3 HarO (Offensive Rating) - Richards 5.8 Franzen 8.7 HarT (Total Ranking) - Richards 10.1 Franzen 18.0 Overall Quality of Teammates Richards 13.9 Franzen 6.7 Overall Quality of Competition Richards -2.6 Franzen -0.7 Here is the comparison over the past 3 seasons. HarD (Defensive rating) - Richards 5.8 Franzen 32.9 HarO (Offensive Rating) - Richards 6.6 Franzen 19.7 HarT (Total Ranking) - Richards 6.2 Franzen 26.3 Overall Quality of Teammates Richards 5.3 Franzen 11.9 Overall Quality of Competition Richards -2.2 Franzen 0.3 I don't think advanced stats are going to help you in making a case that Richards is the better player, especially when he was making twice as much money as Johan. Its called picking one specific states to prove a point and ignoring all other stats. Something a few people around here like to do. If we got Richards he would be on more than mule. 2 wingsfan4795 and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richdg 267 Report post Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim. Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 60 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions. Edited June 22, 2014 by Richdg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,475 Report post Posted June 22, 2014 So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim. Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions. Umm franzen played in 28 games less and had 10 points less. That seems to me like franzen was the better ppg player no matter what way you slice it. 2 krsmith17 and jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted June 22, 2014 So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim. Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions. Wrong again...Neither guy sucks...Both are above average players, the difference between them is one gets paid twice as much as the other and was very recently the highest paid player in the league. Also Franzen didn't play much with Datsyuk or Zetterberg this past season...his most common linemates were Nyquist and Legwand 3 wings4thecup06, krsmith17 and jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted June 22, 2014 So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim. Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 60 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions. If you don't put much weight into them, why pick and choose the only one that proved your point?And if he again scores 20+goals, will you let it die? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
