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#21 nawein

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 02:08 PM

Trade Weiss and Kindl for Edler (they will need a center when after they trade Kesler) and sign Richards and Stralman.
 
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I'm sorry, but even the video games would laugh at that offer.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:11 PM

I'm sorry, but even the video games would laugh at that offer.

I disagree. Throw a pick in or a prospect and it seems pretty close to me.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:17 PM

Is this a joke?


When will people learn to get talent you gotta give up talent THEY WINT GIVE EDKER AWAY FOR FREE AND TAKE ON A BAD CONTRACT!!!!

and who is Edker again? :g:


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:23 PM

the sad thing is, all these quality players becoming available and Holland is thinking about re-signing Cleary...horrible.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 03:54 PM

Richards needs to stay faaar away from Detroit thanks... he was awful in the playoffs and got worse the further they got.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:24 PM

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If anything, that has been his one strength. Not that I want Richards, mind you.[/quote

I would strongly disagree, although I may reconsider based on how useless our power play has been. His points were based on the perimiter
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#27 DickieDunn

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:52 PM

the sad thing is, all these quality players becoming available and Holland is thinking about re-signing Cleary...horrible.

 

 

Yup, because he can only do one thing at a time.  Talking to Cleary about a possible 2 way contract is the only thing he's working on.  


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:03 PM

So let me see if I got this correct. The rags buyout Richards. He is younger than Franzen, scored more goals this past year for Franzen, plys better D than Franzen, plays n more games than franzen, and had an equally long and bad contact. But we can't buyout Franzen? Please try to support that now! can't be done. This is what buyouts are to be used for, not TooToo.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:11 PM

Trade Weiss and Kindl for Edler (they will need a center when after they trade Kesler) and sign Richards and Stralman.

 

 

Nobody wants Kindl OR Weiss. There are about 11 wings fans who even like either one of these players, what makes one think another GM would rightfully trade one of their best assets for them both.

 

To get Edler, we would have to give up an actual defenceman such as Ericsson or dekeyser, along with a high end prospect and maybe even a pick


Edited by WingsallTheway, 20 June 2014 - 08:14 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:54 PM

No surprise there.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:55 PM

If Richards can produce at around .75ppg pace he would be worth a 2 year contract imo. We could use another C. Its not like we are expecting him to be a top 6 C - he can just play up and down the top 9 and fill in if any of our big guns get injured. When you look at the numbers he put up for the Rags without considering the 6.7mill cap hit he is still an effective player - just not at 6.7mill. As someone said - Richards is more effective than Franzen currently. 

 

2 years x 4mill - hopefully we have a young C ready by that time. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:46 PM

So let me see if I got this correct. The rags buyout Richards. He is younger than Franzen, scored more goals this past year for Franzen, plys better D than Franzen, plays n more games than franzen, and had an equally long and bad contact. But we can't buyout Franzen? Please try to support that now! can't be done. This is what buyouts are to be used for, not TooToo.

 

Brad Richards age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 6.67 Million a season

Johan Franzen age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 3.95 million a season

 

New York Rangers Goal differential +25  

Brad Richards plus minus -8

Detroit Red Wings goal differential -8 

Johan Franzen plus minus +6

 

Hits

Brad Richards 24

Johan Franzen 66

 

Giveaways

Brad Richards 46

Johan Franzen 28

 

Faceoffs

Brad Richards 49.8%

Johan Franzen 52.9%

 

Richards slightly outscored Franzen this year but was far worse defensively and he costs almost double what Franzen does. That's why one is employed and the other was paid to go away.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:58 PM

 
Brad Richards age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 6.67 Million a season
Johan Franzen age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 3.95 million a season
 
New York Rangers Goal differential +25  
Brad Richards plus minus -8
Detroit Red Wings goal differential -8 
Johan Franzen plus minus +6
 
Hits
Brad Richards 24
Johan Franzen 66
 
Giveaways
Brad Richards 46
Johan Franzen 28
 
Faceoffs
Brad Richards 49.8%
Johan Franzen 52.9%
 
Richards slightly outscored Franzen this year but was far worse defensively and he costs almost double what Franzen does. That's why one is employed and the other was paid to go away.


If franzenstein played 82 games like Richards he would have (pro rated) 11 points more and 4 goals more.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:03 AM

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As @capgeek noted, Richards still owed $8 M in signing bonuses which are to be paid out in full over next 3 years plus $12.6 M in salary




ouch.

Wtf. How much was he getting paid a season? That is ridiculous. Why are GMs throwing that kindof Money around to slightly above average players? The days of dominating players in the league earning big money are over. There are no dominating players, only dominating teams. There are no more Yzermans, Lidstroms, Hulls, sakics, forsebergs, haseks, gretzkys, messiers, or bures. Players prime playing time to earn points is about 3-4 year average. When a guy throws up more than 65 points a season for more than 5 seasons, then we can talk. Id throw money at them. But seriously, Richards, spezza, and the other available players getting these inflated contracts boggles the mind. What are the owners and GMs doing?

Edited by plopster, 21 June 2014 - 12:06 AM.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:03 AM

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As @capgeek noted, Richards still owed $8 M in signing bonuses which are to be paid out in full over next 3 years plus $12.6 M in salary




ouch.

Delete this post. Accident posting

Edited by plopster, 21 June 2014 - 12:05 AM.

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#36 DeGraa55

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:05 AM

If franzenstein played 82 games like Richards he would have (pro rated) 11 points more and 4 goals more.


But he didn't and is very likely to play less as he ages. At least Richards plays every game.

Richards is better than Franzen in every way possible(but he was still overpaid).

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:41 AM

 

If anything, that has been his one strength. Not that I want Richards, mind you.

 

i would disagree, his play at point his terrible imo,  either way i really really  dont want him


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:55 AM

When a guy throws up more than 65 points a season for more than 5 seasons, then we can talk. Id throw money at them. But seriously, Richards, spezza, and the other available players getting these inflated contracts boggles the mind. What are the owners and GMs doing?

 

Both Spezza and Richards have done this.  As have Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Thornton, Getzlaf, H. Sedin, D. Sedin, St. Louis, Marleau, Backstom, Kane, Kopitar, Hossa, Staal, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and soon Toews, Stamkos, Tavares, and Giroux, Sharp as well.  Plus I'm probably forgetting some. 

 

If this is truly your threshold for "throwing money at them" then you'd have to agree that both Spezza and Richards were worth their contracts just like the rest of these guys are.  That's some pretty illustrious company don't you think? 


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:17 AM

 

Brad Richards age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 6.67 Million a season

Johan Franzen age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 3.95 million a season

 

New York Rangers Goal differential +25  

Brad Richards plus minus -8

Detroit Red Wings goal differential -8 

Johan Franzen plus minus +6

 

Hits

Brad Richards 24

Johan Franzen 66

 

Giveaways

Brad Richards 46

Johan Franzen 28

 

Faceoffs

Brad Richards 49.8%

Johan Franzen 52.9%

 

Richards slightly outscored Franzen this year but was far worse defensively and he costs almost double what Franzen does. That's why one is employed and the other was paid to go away.

Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....

Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.

Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:09 AM

But he didn't and is very likely to play less as he ages. At least Richards plays every game.

Richards is better than Franzen in every way possible(but he was still overpaid).


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