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#41 plopster

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:26 AM

 

Both Spezza and Richards have done this.  As have Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Thornton, Getzlaf, H. Sedin, D. Sedin, St. Louis, Marleau, Backstom, Kane, Kopitar, Hossa, Staal, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and soon Toews, Stamkos, Tavares, and Giroux, Sharp as well.  Plus I'm probably forgetting some. 

 

If this is truly your threshold for "throwing money at them" then you'd have to agree that both Spezza and Richards were worth their contracts just like the rest of these guys are.  That's some pretty illustrious company don't you think? 

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:47 AM

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As @capgeek noted, Richards still owed $8 M in signing bonuses which are to be paid out in full over next 3 years plus $12.6 M in salary



ouch.

 

Glen Sather is a bad GM.

 

Lundqvist's performance makes them think they are a lot closer than they are, hence, Sather is safe.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

 

Glen Sather is a bad GM.

 

Lundqvist's performance makes them think they are a lot closer than they are, hence, Sather is safe.

 

Wait until they get Thornton. I can see it now, they released Richards so they can get their chance at a brand new shiny toy.

 

I can't stand Sather for that exact reason, he pays way too much for FA with term and salary then when he sees his mistake he just buys them out.

 

I could see Richards ending up back in Dallas.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....
Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.
Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.


Since you mentioned ppg over the last three years. Over the last three years franzen has averaged .75 ppg. Yes he is streaky, we all know that. But there is no denying the production. Sure you can say he hasn't showed up in the playoffs, which is true, and he is "lazy" but his +/- would disagree with you as would just about every defensive status available. He may look disinterested and laid back, but what I see is a player babs has transformed to play defense first. His production is as high as it's ever been, and his defensive game is much better than everyone gives him credit for.

I would take franzen over Richards any day.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 11:24 AM

 

Wait until they get Thornton. I can see it now, they released Richards so they can get their chance at a brand new shiny toy.

 

I can't stand Sather for that exact reason, he pays way too much for FA with term and salary then when he sees his mistake he just buys them out.

 

I could see Richards ending up back in Dallas.

 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the most prevalent reasons for the last couple of lockouts. Idiot GMs competing with each other driving prices up and then some nutjob signs a low level player to a big contract, raising the bar for everyone else. 


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#46 frankgrimes

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is one of the most prevalent reasons for the last couple of lockouts. Idiot GMs competing with each other driving prices up and then some nutjob signs a low level player to a big contract, raising the bar for everyone else. 

 

There is never a reasonable for these stupid lockout, it's just a greedy New York Lawyer thinking he can get others into paying for his failed experiments and some cheap owners who think owning a hockeyfranchise is like running a business instead of a huge privilege only an incredible small percentage of billionaires worldwide can afford.

 

There was nothing wrtong with Richard's contract just the stupid recapture - how in the hell did Gms agree to that ? - so the landscape changed and they had to buy him out because he could have retired earlier.  The recapture rule would never hold up in a court, you can't change the rules for contracts that where fine just some months ago.

 

Can't wait for the first team taking the NHL to court for this and winning in a landslide.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 01:16 PM

The lockout talk has been beat to death here and the topic is the Rangers buying out Brad Richards. 

 

Let's stick to that. 



#48 b.shanafan14

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 03:15 PM

 

Yeah, no s*** eh?

 

Kind of makes me wish Holland had held off on that Weiss signing last summer.

You haven't already wished that since.... like November??



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:17 PM

If you are a follower of advanced stats-which I admit I am not the biggest fan of, Richards 7.9 had a BETTER (HarD ranking) in 5 on 5 play,  this year than franzen. So once again, sorry Richards is the better player. But again, neither are very good. So to review, Richards is younger, healthier, scores more goals, gets more assists, plays better defense (considering he was a 1C playing on a top line vs other teams best), and isn't a flake.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:30 PM

As stupid as it sounds but Richards would be a perfect fit for the Ducks, could slot in really well as a second/third line center and help out Getzlaf and Perry with the leadership roles. It' also non pressure market and a team on the rise.


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#51 Richdg

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 05:39 PM

Yes. Now can we figure out how to get Franzen to play his wing with the Ducks?????



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 06:34 PM

If you are a follower of advanced stats-which I admit I am not the biggest fan of, Richards 7.9 had a BETTER (HarD ranking) in 5 on 5 play,  this year than franzen. So once again, sorry Richards is the better player. But again, neither are very good. So to review, Richards is younger, healthier, scores more goals, gets more assists, plays better defense (considering he was a 1C playing on a top line vs other teams best), and isn't a flake.

 

While Richards has a slightly better defensive rating by that advanced stat, Franzen has a far better offensive rating by the same stat and is ranked as the better player overall.

 

Here are their ratings last season in those stats.

 

HarD (Defensive rating) -

Richards 7.9

Franzen 5.3

 

HarO (Offensive Rating) - 

Richards -0.6

Franzen 4.0

 

HarT (Total Ranking) -

Richards 3.7

Franzen 4.7

 

Overall Quality of Teammates

Richards 9.7

Franzen 2.7

 

Overall Quality of Competition

Richards -2.1

Franzen -1.6

 

Over the past 2 years the gap widens.

 

HarD (Defensive rating) -

Richards 14.5

Franzen 27.3

 

HarO (Offensive Rating) - 

Richards 5.8

Franzen 8.7

 

HarT (Total Ranking) -

Richards 10.1

Franzen 18.0

 

Overall Quality of Teammates

Richards 13.9

Franzen 6.7

 

Overall Quality of Competition

Richards -2.6

Franzen -0.7

 

Here is the comparison over the past 3 seasons.

 

 

HarD (Defensive rating) -

Richards 5.8

Franzen 32.9

 

HarO (Offensive Rating) - 

Richards 6.6

Franzen 19.7

 

HarT (Total Ranking) -

Richards 6.2

Franzen 26.3

 

Overall Quality of Teammates

Richards 5.3

Franzen 11.9

 

Overall Quality of Competition

Richards -2.2

Franzen 0.3

 
I don't think advanced stats are going to help you in making a case that Richards is the better player, especially when he was making twice as much money as Johan.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:02 PM


 
While Richards has a slightly better defensive rating by that advanced stat, Franzen has a far better offensive rating by the same stat and is ranked as the better player overall.
 
Here are their ratings last season in those stats.
 
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 7.9
Franzen 5.3
 
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards -0.6
Franzen 4.0
 
HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 3.7
Franzen 4.7
 
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 9.7
Franzen 2.7
 
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.1
Franzen -1.6
 
Over the past 2 years the gap widens.
 
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 14.5
Franzen 27.3
 
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards 5.8
Franzen 8.7
 

HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 10.1
Franzen 18.0
 
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 13.9
Franzen 6.7
 
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.6
Franzen -0.7
 
Here is the comparison over the past 3 seasons.
 
 
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 5.8
Franzen 32.9
 
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards 6.6
Franzen 19.7
 
HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 6.2
Franzen 26.3
 
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 5.3
Franzen 11.9
 
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.2
Franzen 0.3
 
I don't think advanced stats are going to help you in making a case that Richards is the better player, especially when he was making twice as much money as Johan.


Its called picking one specific states to prove a point and ignoring all other stats. Something a few people around here like to do. If we got Richards he would be on more than mule.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:41 PM

So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.

 

Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 60 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.
 
Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.


Umm franzen played in 28 games less and had 10 points less. That seems to me like franzen was the better ppg player no matter what way you slice it.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:52 PM

So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.

 

Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.

 

 

Wrong again...Neither guy sucks...Both are above average players, the difference between them is one gets paid twice as much as the other and was very recently the highest paid player in the league. 

 

Also Franzen didn't play much with Datsyuk or Zetterberg this past season...his most common linemates were Nyquist and Legwand



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Posted 22 June 2014 - 12:32 PM

So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.
 
Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 60 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.

If you don't put much weight into them, why pick and choose the only one that proved your point?
And if he again scores 20+goals, will you let it die?





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