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I think some of you gents need to just breeeathe. At lot of points that I agree with have already been made, but for me it comes down to this.

Did Alfie help this team last season? Yes?
Can he help them this coming season? Yes, I believe he can.
Lastly, are any of the UFA's on the market this off-season "game breakers", who will inevitably bring us straight to the cup?

Not that I believe any single ever player can, but definitely not.

In my eyes, there's no one being pushed out of this line-up because of Alfie's inclusion that is going to have a drastic impact on this team in the future (no disrespect to Ferraro/Callahan). And even in their case, I believe that Andersson should be traded to make room for one of those two guys (we're good at center right now).

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I swear to ******* god that sometimes this forum is like a hockey version of "The View". Super over-the-top theatrical, petulant, and diva's everywhere......

Did anyone actually read this article from Kulfan????!!!!!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140624/SPORTS0103/306240052/Alfredsson-shows-interest-returning-Red-Wings

"talked to him; we're gonna talk again before Monday," general manager Ken Holland said. "Basically his message to me was he feels good. He's not 100 percent. He'd like to feel a little bit better but he feels good. He's not ready to make a decision right now that he's gonna retire. He wanted (to) just kind of pass that news on to me and get my thoughts."

The Red Wings would be interested in Alfredsson returning to them but only if he fits into their salary structure — and depending on what occurs this weekend at the NHL draft in Philadelphia.

"I said, 'Let's take a few days,' and I'm gonna explore the phone lines Wednesday and Thursday and see what's in Philadelphia (at the draft) and then he and I will touch base," Holland said.

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I swear tof****** god that sometimes this forum is like a hockey version of "The View". Super over-the-top theatrical, petulant, and diva's everywhere......

Did anyone actually read this article from Kulfan????!!!!!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140624/SPORTS0103/306240052/Alfredsson-shows-interest-returning-Red-Wings

Hey... Some of us like the view

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The amount of negative opinions being spouted around here are incredible. We're not even in July yet and people are calling the season practically as good as dead and all because of what? Because we re-signed one of our best players from last season and we haven't addressed any of our issues yet. I mean, everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's fine, but when you're constantly thrashing out the same old line over and over, it gets a little tiresome. I know I know. KH sucks, Franzen is lazy, Howard will never be the elite goalie that we seem to somehow be entitled to just because we're the Red Wings, our D couldn't win the Calder Cup let alone the Stanley Cup, and we're got a forward group that's full of a bunch of washed up, old, warn out, injury prone veterans who can't even keep up with their own children on the ice anymore.

We all know that success comes in cycles, and that good teams eventually get knocked down a peg a little and then have to build their way back up to the top again. This is precisely what is happening with the Wings right now, and with what we've seen last year that we've got good young kids in DeKeyser, Jurco, Sheahan, Tatar, Nyquist and Mrazek all ready to contribute, why should we trade a bunch of em away when we're not going to get full return on them and when really, right now, they provide our team with energy, skill and desire to win. Alfie coming back helps because he's got a bomb of a shot for the PP, he's still got good wheels, and provides another leadership presence in the room. Those of you who are bashing him, do you really think that our situation would improve if you shoved some unready kid onto top line minutes for the entire season? Don't you think that would actually make our team worse and then we might be 'mediocre'?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not oblivious to the fact that this team has holes, which are primarily on D. But at least for heavens sakes, give management a chance to address them before you start calling for their heads.

Don't have to read it if you don't like it, problem solved. I think it isn't so much negativity and more concerns - for all the right reasons - since 2009 this team hasn't even come close to anything near cup contention. Then Lidström retired and there was no plan B because we didn't get Suter.

The problem is, Alife and co. aren't what the Wings need longtermwise a young team at some point needs to build chemistry in order to go forward and know the in and outs of their defensive or offensive linemates. Look at the Kings they grew together and even then, Lombardi saw his team needed a broader leadership group brings in Richards, sees the team isn't scoring enough brings in Carter --> first cup for the kings, two years he sees a top 6 need brings in Gaborik ----> cup #2.

And what are the Wings -- a team that isn't even close the talent level of the powerhouses -- doing ? Sign one patchwork player after another instead of maybe risking the streak and build for the future. If the mojo around the league is really that the Wings aren't willing to overpay well then good luck getting any top ufa to sign here, it's not going to happen. Unless of course you are 34+. The needs for improvement have been evident since 2009 and that to me is enough time to make the neccessary move especially after losing an alltime top 4 defender. Armstrong has build a very good Blues team and yet he saw a chance/need and brought in Miller yeah it didn't work out but at least he tried. Thats what great GMs do they are willing to take risks, the Wings aren't a small market team and they shouldn't be run like one, our owner is willing to pay everything just to win with an almost blank cheque I simply expect better than bringing back Alfie and some patchwork signings come July 1. Holland once was regarded as the best GM in hockey time to prove it..

Also capspace is useless if you don't use it, is Niskanen worth 5,5 to 6 per ? Probably not but overpaying is part of UFA and trade deadline other GMs like Chiarelli, Lombardi and Bowman are ok with it, but Kenny seems to have a hard time adopting to this. Like some others I'm starting to believe Lidström did not even make the team as a whole better he also made Holland better than he might be.

The leadership on this group is more than fine, when you have Z, Pasha, Kronwall that's enough to show the young kids how stuff gets done and how to handle themself. Alfie at least for me deserves to retire in Ottawa this team isn't going to compete for the cup anytime soon..so I don't understand this signing at all.

Edited by frankgrimes

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I swear tof****** god that sometimes this forum is like a hockey version of "The View". Super over-the-top theatrical, petulant, and diva's everywhere......

Did anyone actually read this article from Kulfan????!!!!!!!

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140624/SPORTS0103/306240052/Alfredsson-shows-interest-returning-Red-Wings

That would involve reading beyond, "Alfredsson shows inter..." *RAGE*

"God, I hate Kenny! He wants to destroy this team from the inside out!"

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Guest DeGraa55

Rosie

Most members of this forum should be on Dr. Phil though to deal with their anger and resentment issues

I don't think really anyone has anger issues. People sharing their facts and opinions is just that....sharing facts and opinions...

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I always feel confident in my opinion when posters like Richdg, DeGraa55, Leftwinger and frankgrimes have such a unified front of the exact opposite opinion.

You guys are too predictable...

That's good because I feel even more confident then in my opinion, so it's a two way street thanks.

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Ugh, retire already. Second half nobody looked slower and more uninspired than Alfie.

Dude, put him on a good team in diminished role and see if he doesn't excel. Absolutely nobody will work harder to finally win a Cup than Luc Robitaille...er...Alfie.

My mistake. I keep thinking Alfie is Luc Robitaille. He's not.

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Some of you guys want to sign Vanek. Your opinion on the sport of hockey is irrelevant

You may agree with some opinions, find some lacking or even ludicrous. If that's the case, there's no need to comment. Just move on.

As long as someone is discussing hockey, it's not irrelevant. You might want to look up the meaning of the word.

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You may agree with some opinions, find some lacking or even ludicrous. If that's the case, there's no need to comment. Just move on.

As long as someone is discussing hockey, it's not irrelevant. You might want to look up the meaning of the word.

Irrelevant. Pointless based on their lack of knowledge. Not to be taken seriously

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wings trade 1st pick for 2nd + 3rd

boyle signs july 1st.

alfie signs july 2nd.

holland goes on to say...now we can see where mantha fits into our plans during training camp.." i like our team"

cleary gets 2 way deal in august....fails to make wings lineup....ends up retiring.

book it.

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Irrelevant. Pointless based on their lack of knowledge. Not to be taken seriously

Wrong.

Irrelevant (ibreve.gif-rebreve.giflprime.gifschwa.gif-vschwa.gifnt): Not pertinent to the point. Not relating to the subject.

Here's another one:

Unwise (ubreve.gifn-wimacr.gifzprime.gif): being a smartass to a moderator who is politely telling you to stop insulting other people here simply because you disagree with their opinion.

Now let's get back to making posts relevant to this the topic.

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wings trade 1st pick for 2nd + 3rd

boyle signs july 1st.

alfie signs july 2nd.

holland goes on to say...now we can see where mantha fits into our plans during training camp.." i like our team"

cleary gets 2 way deal in august....fails to make wings lineup....ends up retiring.

book it.

I agree with this , and somehow both those picks will turn out to be future NHLers.

However Boyle signs July 15th as he initially plans on going to a contender, but 29 other GM's realize that he isn't a capable top 4 defender anymore.Takes best offer available. ( But who would turn down a 4 year contract with a NTC at his age!? )

I do believe that the wings will sign a fringe NHL defenceman to the bottom 6 such as Sarich, Grebeshkov, or Corvo.

I know you arent saying Holland will put Mantha into the lineup, but i feel like he has virtually no chance of making the team this season. Not only is he not ready according to the select games Ive watched him play (about 10; and just my opinion of course) there is just no room in the top 9 for him especially with the "addition" of Alfie. Its going to be too convinient for Holland to send him to GR, although thats probably where he should be starting his career anyway.

Lineups without alfie:

franzen - dats - abby z - d - abby

nyquist - z - weiss Franzen -weiss - nyquist

tatar - sheahan - jurco/mantha tatar - sheahan - jurco/mantha

So the only chance mantha really has of making the team is with the presence of significant injuries (likely, i suppose) where he will also need to beat jurco out of a spot, who also has a season under his belt and shows good chemistry with his line.

Sorry to slightly derail the thread, but it does have some to do with alfredsson :innocent:

Edited by WingsallTheway

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If people don't like my opinions, I couldn't care less. We do all have one thing in common: We want the RW's to win SC's. That simple. The fact is our record has gotten worse every year for the past 4 seasons. The answer being provided to us is: bring everyone back and expect better results. Nothing works like that.

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If people don't like my opinions, I couldn't care less. We do all have one thing in common: We want the RW's to win SC's. That simple. The fact is our record has gotten worse every year for the past 4 seasons. The answer being provided to us is: bring everyone back and expect better results. Nothing works like that.

Except this is hockey. Young players will continue to get better. A lot of great things happened in the past 2 seasons, but all some people focus on is the growing pains. Even when the Wings won it all in 2008, that was a planned 3 year process by management to get there. Stevie retired, Shanny left. Datsyuk and Zetterberg had to learn how to win. When the team showed they were ready to win, Holland brought in the missing pieces like Stuart to make it a complete, unstoppable team. It took 3 seasons for that to happen. Now we are basically one year into a new changing of the guard. Except this team is getting younger on a much larger scale than last time. When the kids learn how to win, the moves will be made to make a complete team once again. For the time being, having guys like Alfie around is a great thing. The kids learn a lot from guys like him. He is a leader. That will rub off on the younger generation of Wings.

I get that some people find losing frustrating. The team has won for a long ass time. But there is a lot of exciting things ging on with this team if people can just take the time to appreciate it. There will be growing pains, but this team will make everyone proud once again. Some simply look at their win/loss records over the last few seasons and are quick to point out that the team is on a downslide. Not the case what so ever.

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mar, I fully understand the rebuilding process, I just wish we would do it or go for the cup. I don't mind if we have 2-3 losing seasons, get highly rated top draft choices and then begin the next 15 year run. Its the half a$$ patch and pug approach that bothers me. We are not getting better and we are not getting the young high end talent we need to get better.

When it comes to bad for long periods of time, I remember the 70's all to well. The RW's had no real plan. Very similar to what we are doing today.

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