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Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

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Signing Niskanen or any player coming off a career season in a contract year to a long term contract is a big risk. Yes, he could continue to play at a high level, or he could fall all the way back to where he had been, or end up somewhere in the middle. Only one of those 3 makes him worth the contract. One is a disaster, and the other makes in bearable, but not good. Given the fact that they have Kronwall, Ericsson, and probably Dekeyser and Smith long term and Sproul, Ouellet, Marchenko, Backman, Jensen, et. al. in the minors, and that at least 2 and possible 4 or 5 prospects who can turn into NHL players, I don't think that the Wings need to take that risk unless they make a major move something like Smith, Ericsson, and a prospect for a Norris caliber d-man who wants to leave his team that will open up a spot.

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Last umm what 8 years? 6 years?

Like who? Everyone acts like because we lost out on Parise and Suter, which was solely due to geography, that we somehow aren't a "destination" team. Name all these top free agents that Holland pursued that the Wings didn't get.

Weiss and Alfredsson were the top two UFA's last year and the Wings signed them both. Then before that every other team in the league was salivating over Danny DeKeyser. Who got him? Oh, yeah, that team no one wants to go to.

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Alfie signing a top UFA one? *lol* it was a good signing nothing more nothing less. Weiss signed after being out for almost 6 months..

Niskanen would easily be the biggest offseason signing, the defense needs to become better and not all of these GR guys are going to make it to the big club, some will get t raded others just aren't good enough.

6 years 33 million should get the job done, the cap is rising

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Like who? Everyone acts like because we lost out on Parise and Suter, which was solely due to geography, that we somehow aren't a "destination" team. Name all these top free agents that Holland pursued that the Wings didn't get.

Weiss and Alfredsson were the top two UFA's last year and the Wings signed them both. Then before that every other team in the league was salivating over Danny DeKeyser. Who got him? Oh, yeah, that team no one wants to go to.

Same with Brunner - Lost of teams interested, he chose us.

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I'm way late to this thread. But all I can say is we better not overpay for a guy who has had...count them...ONE good season under his belt. Id rather have an aging Dan Boyle that we know will bring it, like he has almost every other season he's played. However, if the contract is reasonable, I'm all for Niskanen wearing the Winged Wheel.

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Like who? Everyone acts like because we lost out on Parise and Suter, which was solely due to geography, that we somehow aren't a "destination" team. Name all these top free agents that Holland pursued that the Wings didn't get.

Weiss and Alfredsson were the top two UFA's last year and the Wings signed them both. Then before that every other team in the league was salivating over Danny DeKeyser. Who got him? Oh, yeah, that team no one wants to go to.

People seem to forget about the Dekeyser signing. I think that will turn out to be our biggest steal of the last 5-10 years

I would like Niskanen as long as the contract doesn't exceed $6.00M AAV

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Ill take Yandle. Detroit 1st, choice of Sproul or Quellett and maybe a none roster forward prospect like Pulkinnen. I think thats reasonable given Yandle has only 2 seasons on his contract. Niskanen looked really goos to me this year but Yandle is same age and been doing it for years. It could really hinder our options and future signing him to an overpriced 7 year contract.

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Ill take Yandle. Detroit 1st, choice of Sproul or Quellett and maybe a none roster forward prospect like Pulkinnen. I think thats reasonable given Yandle has only 2 seasons on his contract. Niskanen looked really goos to me this year but Yandle is same age and been doing it for years. It could really hinder our options and future signing him to an overpriced 7 year contract.

You want Yandle ? I do too but that would cost us, the first, one of Nyquist/Tatar + say goodbye to Mantha re you willing to pay that for 2 years of Yandle ? Niskanen ONLY costs $

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Ill take Yandle. Detroit 1st, choice of Sproul or Quellett and maybe a none roster forward prospect like Pulkinnen. I think thats reasonable given Yandle has only 2 seasons on his contract. Niskanen looked really goos to me this year but Yandle is same age and been doing it for years. It could really hinder our options and future signing him to an overpriced 7 year contract.

I agree yandle has been the better player but he is a left handed shot and although we get better, it's not exactly what we need. Tyler Myers would be a better fit and prolly cheaper.

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I agree yandle has been the better player but he is a left handed shot and although we get better, it's not exactly what we need. Tyler Myers would be a better fit and prolly cheaper.

Myers might cost more just due to the fact that it would be a within the division trade. Although according to TSN, Myers is more of a priority for Holland than Yandle is.

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I wouldn't mind Myers... Niskanen at $6 and more will end up like Weiss2.0

Are you suggesting the more you pay Niskanen the more likely he is to get a hernia before the beginning of the season? Because that's just silly.

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Why has Myers gotten so much worse since his rookie season?

Injuries? We don't need that.

I would say that Sabres sucks... it's difficult to look good on a very bad team

Are you suggesting the more you pay Niskanen the more likely he is to get a hernia before the beginning of the season? Because that's just silly.

Overpayment?!

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Niskanen might be our prime target now...

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 3m

#RedWings have talked to UFA D Dan Boyle's camp, but sense is another team will give him more $$$ & term.

Butttttt if we get neither, say hello to Tom Gilbert or Stephane Robidas :lol:

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Niskanen might be our prime target now...

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 3m

#RedWings have talked to UFA D Dan Boyle's camp, but sense is another team will give him more $$$ & term.

Butttttt if we get neither, say hello to Tom Gilbert or Stephane Robidas :lol:

Good! I don't think Boyle is the solution and he prolly wants 3 years. Despite people's arguments, I think Niskanen will be good for a long time.

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Niskanen might be our prime target now...

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 3m

#RedWings have talked to UFA D Dan Boyle's camp, but sense is another team will give him more $$$ & term.

Butttttt if we get neither, say hello to Tom Gilbert or Stephane Robidas :lol:

Or Kyle Quincey.

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I am not sure why so many are down on Niskanen. he is 27, a RHed shot, and is very good defensively. For the last 6 seasons, he has been better than Kronwall defensively in 5 on 5 play. he has been developing offensively as well. At 27 years of age a 7 year deal brings him to 34 or the same age that kronwall turns this year. Adding guy like Niskenan makes our D better for each pair. having a guy like Niskanen to pair with Dekeyser to form a top pair. Niskanen is a very solid 2/3. Many of us believe that Dekeyser is turning into a 1/2. That makes a true top pair and allows Kornwall and either Ericsson or Smith to form a solid/great 2nd pair. That would make Kronwell/Ericsson better. Thus our whole D becomes better.

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I'm way late to this thread. But all I can say is we better not overpay for a guy who has had...count them...ONE good season under his belt. Id rather have an aging Dan Boyle that we know will bring it, like he has almost every other season he's played. However, if the contract is reasonable, I'm all for Niskanen wearing the Winged Wheel.

To be fair, Niskanen's always been a good NHL defenseman. He just reached new heights this season (at least in terms of point production), largely because he was used efficiently and effectively.

I wasn't too keen on signing Niskanen until fairly recently. I was afraid he might be that dreaded one-hit wonder who can singlehandedly wreck a team's cap situation for years. But if you dig into this guy's fancy stats and whatnot, you find a player who's a pretty solid fit for what we, realistically, should want, which is a really solid #3 or #4. Actually, more than that - it's a solid top four. That's what we'd be expecting if we were to sign Niskanen. We'd expect to have a solid first pairing and perhaps an equally solid second pairing, with lots of room for growth-from-within (Smith, DeKeyser, Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman, Jensen, even Lashoff).

Given 1) our needs, 2) that what Niskanen's rumored to be looking for is more or less the standard rate for a top-four defenseman in his prime who can put up points like a lunatic if put in the right situation, 3) that the cap is expected to steadily rise (which goes hand-in-hand with inflation, e.g. an overpayment for Niskanen might look like a pretty good deal in 2016 dollars), and 4) that going with unproven kids or trading several assets for a big name wouldn't be any less risky than just spending money on an established talent...given all that, I'd be comfortable with giving Niskanen a big deal, within reason. (But then, it's not my money.)

Between Boyle for two years and Niskanen for around six...I guess Boyle would make more sense. (FWIW, Kenny's explicitly said he wants a defenseman who's looking for a couple years. I suppose that doesn't bode too well for our Niskanen hopes.) But knowing that even if none of our kids pans out we'd still have a legitimate blue line for years to come? That'd be a pretty big deal. So, I'd love Boyle or Niskanen, assuming fairly reasonable coin and term.

Edited by Dabura

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#RedWings have talked to UFA D Dan Boyle's camp, but sense is another team will give him more $$$ & term.

Not surprising - and I don't mean that in a Holland-hating sense. I'm willing to bet the Leafs would offer him $6M x 4 years if they thought it'd get them their man. (Assuming Shanny has no real power.) Not sure if they'd be able to pull that off, cap-wise. But you get what I'm saying.

Niskanen's a solid defenseman in the prime of his career who has all the qualities we're looking for in our Quincey upgrade. If you have to give a little more than you'd like, so be it.

Edited by Dabura

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