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#321 jimmyemeryhunter

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:20 PM

I have completely soured on Niskanen. He does not deserve anything close to the term and hit he's probably going to get. He's second pairing. Rather have Boyle on a short deal or let the kids play.

I really hope he signs with us, but for one-two years to show he deserves the big money.

I know it won't happen, but I'd respect him more if hewas willing to bet on himself.

#322 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:51 PM

I really hope he signs with us, but for one-two years to show he deserves the big money.

I know it won't happen, but I'd respect him more if hewas willing to bet on himself.

I think he is a good defenseman and will be a "good" defenseman but he isn't a "great" defenseman so he is going to cash in for as long as he can because he knows that. He isn't going to be the top defenseman for any team he plays for unless their defense is garbage. But he is going to get paid top defenseman money.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:54 PM

I really hope he signs with us, but for one-two years to show he deserves the big money.

I know it won't happen, but I'd respect him more if hewas willing to bet on himself.

I want a guy who's intelligent.  That would be stupidity to get free agency at 27 and sign a short term deal.  It's not like he's a bum who came out of no where.  He's had a few solid seasons and put together a great year.  Not unheard of for a guy who's 27.  Defenseman usually take longer to mature.



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:55 PM

I hope Holland brings Luca Brasi with him to this meeting.  


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:06 PM

The Red Wings have been told they're on the short lists for both Matt Niskanen and Dan Boyle, the top right-handed shooting defensemen available. They're no longer in the running for the left-handed shooting Christian Ehrhoff, who is seeking a five-year deal, two more years than the Red Wings are willing to give.


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:09 PM

The Wings won't give Ehrhoff more than three years, but are willing to give Boyle two and Nisakenen seven? Yeah, let's get out of the running for the best player of the three just because he isn't a righty.
 
 
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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:09 PM

 

I wonder if it's possible they each are told the other has interest in playing with the Wings would make them want to come here. You know, more talent give them a better chance at winning the cup. Doubtful, but just a thought. Really hoping for Niskanen first and foremost though.



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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:12 PM

http://www.mlive.com...ly_pursuin.html


Yay for short lists. Only slightly better than short buses

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 10:49 PM

Don't like the looks of this tbh. We're going to overpay for Boyle and that's it. Holland has been aggressively searching for a top 4 defensemen for 4 years and plenty have gotten passed around with lots of success. This makes no sense to me

#330 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:47 PM

The Wings won't give Ehrhoff more than three years, but are willing to give Boyle two and Nisakenen seven? Yeah, let's get out of the running for the best player of the three just because he isn't a righty.


I know right?! Makes me think Boyle is the guy because they don't want to get caught in a long term contract.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:50 PM

I know right?! Makes me think Boyle is the guy because they don't want to get caught in a long term contract.

I think that's exactly what's happening. They're signing more stop gaps until the the kids are ready. It's been the plan for the last 3 years. They don't want to pay inflated market value for others team youth when they know we have a crap ton of our own on the way.

 

EDIT: Plus we're going to be end up against this the cap this year after signings and it will only get worse next year and so on. They don't want to commit to an inflated long term deal that will bar us from signing our prospects in the future


Edited by number9, 30 June 2014 - 11:52 PM.


#332 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 11:52 PM

Scott Burnside from ESPN has his predictions on where people will end up and has Boyle going to the Wings, Niskanen to the Caps, Ehrhoff to Tampa, and Stralman to either the Wings or Tampa.

I'd be ok with Boyle if we get Stralman. Stralman is a defensive defenseman and makes us stronger on the back end why Boyle can help on the powerplay for two years until Sproul gets ready.

Edited by Datsyukian-Deke, 30 June 2014 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:08 AM

Scott Burnside from ESPN has his predictions on where people will end up and has Boyle going to the Wings, Niskanen to the Caps, Ehrhoff to Tampa, and Stralman to either the Wings or Tampa.

I'd be ok with Boyle if we get Stralman. Stralman is a defensive defenseman and makes us stronger on the back end why Boyle can help on the powerplay for two years until Sproul gets ready.

 

I know people hate Boyle because he's older, but if we can get him and a younger guy like the scenario listed here... you gotta be okay with that, as pointed out already.  We should be getting more offense out of Smith, too.  So you have Kronwall, Smith, and Boyle who are more offensive, and then Ericsson, DeKeyser, and Stralman who are more defensively sound.  I know, Kronwall is pretty well balanced.


Then you can filter in Sproul as Boyle departs...



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:10 AM

 
I know people hate Boyle because he's older, but if we can get him and a younger guy like the scenario listed here... you gotta be okay with that, as pointed out already.  We should be getting more offense out of Smith, too.  So you have Kronwall, Smith, and Boyle who are more offensive, and then Ericsson, DeKeyser, and Stralman who are more defensively sound.  I know, Kronwall is pretty well balanced.

Then you can filter in Sproul as Boyle departs...


I guess it's noteworthy that he had no forwards going to the Wings. He predicts Vanek to Minny and Iggy to Montreal.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:12 AM

I guess it's noteworthy that he had no forwards going to the Wings. He predicts Vanek to Minny and Iggy to Montreal.

 

Yeah well from what Holland is saying, it sounds like they'll stick with what they have an hope that the youngsters will grow more this year and put up more points.  I would love it if Mantha can come in and be rookie of the year... pipe dream probably.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:15 AM

 
Yeah well from what Holland is saying, it sounds like they'll stick with what they have an hope that the youngsters will grow more this year and put up more points.  I would love it if Mantha can come in and be rookie of the year... pipe dream probably.



I agree. Although a top forward certainly helps, I don't think offense would be this teams problem as they currently stand; granted our top forwards stay healthy.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:18 AM

I agree. Although a top forward certainly helps, I don't think offense would be this teams problem as they currently stand; granted our top forwards stay healthy.

 

Yeah I completely agree with you.  I'd love to see them get Iginla or Vrbata (a couple of guys who are proven and wouldn't cost as much as some of the others out there).  I hope they can stay relatively more healthy this year, and adding a solid d-man will certainly help as they'll control the play better and not have our guys running around quite as much.  Please let this not be a big fat disappointment.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:19 AM

Jesus this paints a completely different picture and says Niskanen is our guy. From Fox Sports Detroit.

http://msn.foxsports...niskanen-070114

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:26 AM

Jesus this paints a completely different picture and says Niskanen is our guy. From Fox Sports Detroit.

http://msn.foxsports...niskanen-070114

 

Wow, from Art Regner and posted at 12:23 AM EST....  That is very interesting.  I wonder if the term with Ehroff is making them realize they need to push hard for Niskanen because they really want to upgrade the D and don't want to lose out.  I was hoping this would be the case as it seems the problem with the Wings the past few seasons and not getting certain guys was their lack of wanting to compete to get a guy.  Unfortunately, the NHL right now is a land of financial competition and if you aren't going to pay a little more for a guy, he'll go to another competitor.  I feel like current players on the team would understand it's the market and it's a business.



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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:32 AM

 
Wow, from Art Regner and posted at 12:23 AM EST....  That is very interesting.  I wonder if the term with Ehroff is making them realize they need to push hard for Niskanen because they really want to upgrade the D and don't want to lose out.  I was hoping this would be the case as it seems the problem with the Wings the past few seasons and not getting certain guys was their lack of wanting to compete to get a guy.  Unfortunately, the NHL right now is a land of financial competition and if you aren't going to pay a little more for a guy, he'll go to another competitor.  I feel like current players on the team would understand it's the market and it's a business.


The most interesting thing in the article to me is that the source says the Wings believe they are TWO defensemen away from being an exceptional team. So it's not sounding so crazy that we could land BOTH Niskanen and Boyle.





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