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#61 marcaractac

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

Would be great to get him here for 7 years at 6 million per. Sure that sounds like a lot of money, but the cap is only gonna keep going up. A couple seasons from now that turns into a great contract if his production doesn't drop off.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:57 PM

I assume it'll be a short meeting when he offers a 3 year term.

 

 

So... sign a "big name" for the sake of signing a big name? OK then.

it's a sign that top free agents would actually want to come here again. also it means holland is capable of doing anything big. plus hes only 27 which is 10 years too young for holland.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

I'm sure they've already talked tentatively about cost/term, etc.  Nisknanen's agent isn't going to waste his time.  Whatever Holland offered they'e at least considering, which means it isn't absurdly off the mark.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

If they really do decide to sign Niskanen to any kind of term, then I would expect them to flip some defenders in a package deal for a forward. There's just simply no room on the back-end for all these defenders.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 04:15 PM

If they really do decide to sign Niskanen to any kind of term, then I would expect them to flip some defenders in a package deal for a forward. There's just simply no room on the back-end for all these defenders.

 

Exactly. Which means that Kindl is probably expendable and part of any deal we make, along with a young guy from GR. 


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 04:46 PM

 

Exactly. Which means that Kindl is probably expendable and part of any deal we make, along with a young guy from GR. 

Kindl's is definitely expendable, but if I had the choice, I'd keep Ouellet over Smith. I think Niskanen represents what Smith is aiming to become. I feel as if Ouellet has the potential to become a more well-rounded defender.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 05:23 PM

IMO, Niskanen is a product of Pens "all offense no defence" system. We will get another Quincey..

Niskanen's defensive skills are far more superior from Quincey's. Also he plays more physical than Q. Iam not talking about offense. He should do well in the Wings system.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 05:39 PM

I did say it in another thread. Of course there is a risk to sign a guy like him to 49 million / 7 Years but very good D-Man are scarce. No GM would trade or let walk an already proven #1 D-Man. If we want to be a Cup contender we have to take a risk and if this risk is t get an #4 D-Man at 7 Mil. a year then so be it. It would be a good signing in my opinion.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 05:58 PM

But they're not likely to get into a bidding war for Niskanen and surely will take into consideration that their best defenseman, Niklas Kronwall, is earning ($4.75 million per season).

 

 

Wings can't take that into consideration IMO. Wings got lucky with Kronwall by locking him into a 7 year contract, before the new CBA, in which the last two years he is only make $3.5M and $1.75M. Any defenseman worth it will have a higher cap hit, there is just no way around that.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:04 PM

With these long-term contracts, a GM can't worry about not paying someone more than your captain, for instance.  Everyone panicked about Ericsson and Kronwall's prices, and now Kronwall is an absolute steal.  I'm sure if we landed Niskanen for 5.5 or 6 we'll all be worried, but if he remains consistent in three years it'll be a steal, too.  Remember, when the cap goes up, salaries go up for new free agents, too.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:11 PM

Niskanen has a potential to be next Rafalski in the Wings system. I hope Holland makes this happen. If Holland can overpay for Q and many others that were overpaid and failed big time. Why not go for an much needed overpaid D man that has pretty much what we need on the blue line and power play. Iam positive in the next few years the UFA class will be filled with underachieving players that no one wants. All the good players will be signed long term deals. I say get Niskanen and get Orpik if possible. All of a sudden our D is in a great shape.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:19 PM

In the end, Holland needs to make sure money is not the reason Niskanen signs elsewhere (within reason, of course). Sure he will have to overpay now. But the cap will keep going up. 



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:26 PM

Better overpay for him, than run out options and over pay and resign Q. They are not ruling him out. Not a good sign.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:33 PM

When did top free agents ever not want to come here?



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

When did top free agents ever not want to come here?



Last umm what 8 years? 6 years?

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:53 PM

While I do love most of our kid Dmen I think signing Niskanen would give us a lot of options when it comes to trading some of them to better our team.

 

Personally I would keep the righties (Marchenko and Sproul) and attempt to trade Bäckman and/or Ouellet in a package for someone like Kesler or E.Kane. OR to move up to the top of the draft and get ourselves a future #1C.

 

Tats+Helm+Ouellet for Kane/Kesler

 

Kronner-Dekeyser

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Big E-Marchenko/Bäckman 

 

That D is a TON better than last year. No Kindl, Lashoff or Quincey in the top 6.

 

Good post and I completely agree. If the Wings are serious about signing Niskanen long-term and they get him, then it makes sense to move some of the surplus defense prospects. With Niskanen, Smith, DeKeyser, and ideally Ericsson all around going forward, there is just not enough space in Detroit for what appears to be four potential NHL quality d-men in Grand Rapids. If they opt for the stopgap veteran move (Boyle, Gilbert) then it's less necessary to trade any of the young guys.

 

Personally, the only player I hope the Wings absolutely hang on to is Sproul. His skill set is so unique and something the organization has been lacking for years. 


 
 
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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:53 PM

When did top free agents ever not want to come here?


When Holland became satisfied with making us a first round exit team. People wanted to come to Detroit because we were committed to winning championship every year. Since the Salary cap era, Holland and Illitch can't monopolize the league anymore.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:54 PM

Signing Niskanen or any player coming off a career season in a contract year to a long term contract is a big risk.  Yes, he could continue to play at a high level, or he could fall all the way back to where he had been, or end up somewhere in the middle.  Only one of those 3 makes him worth the contract.  One is a disaster, and the other makes in bearable, but not good.  Given the fact that they have Kronwall, Ericsson, and probably Dekeyser and Smith long term and Sproul, Ouellet, Marchenko, Backman, Jensen, et. al. in the minors, and that at least 2 and possible 4 or 5 prospects who can turn into NHL players, I don't think that the Wings need to take that risk unless they make a major move something like Smith, Ericsson, and a prospect for a Norris caliber d-man who wants to leave his team that will open up a spot.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:54 PM

If Detroit is unable to land Niskanen or Boyle, Dreger just said Wings have inquired about both Myers and Yandle. 



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 07:04 PM

Last umm what 8 years? 6 years?

Like who?  Everyone acts like because we lost out on Parise and Suter, which was solely due to geography, that we somehow aren't a "destination" team.  Name all these top free agents that Holland pursued that the Wings didn't get.

 

Weiss and Alfredsson were the top two UFA's last year and the Wings signed them both.  Then before that every other team in the league was salivating over Danny DeKeyser.  Who got him?  Oh, yeah, that team no one wants to go to.  







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