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#81 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:48 PM

This Holmstrom kid was born in '96!


He was taken over a hundred spots earlier than our last Holmstrom so he is going to be 100x better right? That's how it works?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:54 PM

On the surface, liking how this draft has gone. Management replenished a needed position and got big bodies guys with bright two way potential. Sounds pretty sweet to me. 


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:55 PM

Brains aren't found in the balls though. Making a decision that could cost this franchise in the long run for a short term risk really isn't the strategy that KH and co have employed (aside from Legwand perhaps - but let's not batter that dead horse). 

 

Maybe, just maybe, the Wings feel pretty happy with how things are developing, with the kids who've stepped up, and the young D core we're about to get, right now what we need is some solid veterans in the lineup like we have to complement and help the kids become the leaders of this team. It doesn't make much sense right now to trade a bunch of em away, because really, the guys who are still in GR we don't know which ones will make it. 

 

Its a patient approach and yea, I can imagine it's frustrating when other teams around the league are seemingly going for it when we're appearing to stand pat. But why roll the dice when even doing so won't put you over the top? May as well wait and have several successful years than just 1 or 2.

 

My latest theory (the one I mentioned yesterday): we've been rebuilding since '09. We were legitimate contenders for roughly two straight decades, then the cap happened, then we started losing key players, and we had a weak prospect pool, and we decided that it was time to build a real pipeline of quality young talent through the draft, and that's essentially been the focus for the past five years. We've stayed competitive enough to at least keep the playoff streak (and yearly revenue windfall from home playoff games) going, but the real focus has been on assembling what every cap era powerhouse team needs: tremendous value, i.e. key young contributors on affordable early contracts. I think once we have enough of those "value players" in place and they've shown that they're legitimate difference-makers at the NHL level, that's when we're going to get really serious about acquiring a big name or two and truly competing for the Cup. (By that point, the Bruins will be old and slow and worn down. bwahahahahaha!!!)


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 12:55 PM

Ok is it July 1st yet?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:05 PM

 

My latest theory (the one I mentioned yesterday): we've been rebuilding since '09. We were legitimate contenders for roughly two straight decades, then the cap happened, then we started losing key players, and we had a weak prospect pool, and we decided that it was time to build a real pipeline of quality young talent through the draft, and that's essentially been the focus for the past five years. We've stayed competitive enough to at least keep the playoff streak (and yearly revenue windfall from home playoff games) going, but the real focus has been on assembling what every cap era powerhouse team needs: tremendous value, i.e. key young contributors on affordable early contracts. I think once we have enough of those "value players" in place and they've shown that they're legitimate difference-makers at the NHL level, that's when we're going to get really serious about acquiring a big name or two and truly competing for the Cup. (By that point, the Bruins will be old and slow and worn down. bwahahahahaha!!!)

 

This is my thought too, which is why I think right now, the Wings don't want to give away guys like Mantha, Tatar, Jurco, Nyquist and Sheahan. They saw Jarnkrok as expendable so that's why he was moved. I have every faith that if this is in fact the strategy, it'll pay dividend pretty soon


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#86 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:10 PM

 
My latest theory (the one I mentioned yesterday): we've been rebuilding since '09. We were legitimate contenders for roughly two straight decades, then the cap happened, then we started losing key players, and we had a weak prospect pool, and we decided that it was time to build a real pipeline of quality young talent through the draft, and that's essentially been the focus for the past five years. We've stayed competitive enough to at least keep the playoff streak (and yearly revenue windfall from home playoff games) going, but the real focus has been on assembling what every cap era powerhouse team needs: tremendous value, i.e. key young contributors on affordable early contracts. I think once we have enough of those "value players" in place and they've shown that they're legitimate difference-makers at the NHL level, that's when we're going to get really serious about acquiring a big name or two and truly competing for the Cup. (By that point, the Bruins will be old and slow and worn down. bwahahahahaha!!!)


I understand your logic here but the fact is we have two superstar players in Z and Dats that are not far from being gone and it is a travesty that we don't at least attempt to put together a team that can compete for the cup for them.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:12 PM

And for their last pick they choose Aleander Kadeyin, a 20 year old already playing in the KHL. Just throwing darts at the wall at this point I guess. Well let's hope they got at least 1-2 good ones out of this draft.

 

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:13 PM

I really dig this draft class. I've seen a few of these kids play and I can tell you they're all future Hall of Famers. ;)


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:14 PM

"Wings drafted 5 centers. “If one pans out, we might have a centerman for (Anthony) Mantha one day," European scout Hakan Andersson said."



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:19 PM

"Wings drafted 5 centers. If one pans out, we might have a centerman for (Anthony) Mantha one day," European scout Hakan Andersson said."


IN HAKAN WE TRUST!

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:12 PM

I like the fact that the Wings drafted a bunch of bigger centers in a year where everything beyond the first round is a total crapshoot (which it normally is anyway, but still...).  You would think that kids who play center are groomed to play defensively sound so the thought here is probably that at least 1-2 of these guys will be with GR in a year or two and can work on their offense.  Seems like management really wants to build the future of this team around Mantha.  If he pans out, that sounds like a solid plan.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:14 PM

I understand your logic here but the fact is we have two superstar players in Z and Dats that are not far from being gone and it is a travesty that we don't at least attempt to put together a team that can compete for the cup for them.

Dats is signed for 3 more years. He could be here longer than that. Z is here 7 more years. I feel it's safe to say that they will still be elite in 2-3 years and that's when our prospect development will really come into fruition (if not this year):

 

Mantha will be on the team. Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan will be in "prime years. We'll have Mrazek at least pushing Jimmy. Smith will have worked out his game (I believe he's already close to that). With at least 2 of Oulette, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman I really feel that will make a great back end. Jurco, possibly Pulkkinen, Andreas Athanasiauoaioisoioa also in the mix.

 

I feel like we're really on the ascent now and these guys will be pushing us up to being contenders. I feel these prospects really do fill the holes in the team that we saw this year (weak D, top 6 wingers). The thing for me that stands in the way of being contenders by that time is that 2C spot. Weiss is still a question mark and I feel that a lot rests on him being a solid piece of this team. Hopefully we see him back to the player that others say he is.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:15 PM

Am I reading this right? Holmstrom's midterm rank was 50 (second round) and his final rank was 90 (third round), yet we got him with pick 196? How does someone fall that far?

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:23 PM

We certainly addressed the not having alot of centers in the pipeline thing.


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#95 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:30 PM

Am I reading this right? Holmstrom's midterm rank was 50 (second round) and his final rank was 90 (third round), yet we got him with pick 196? How does someone fall that far?


If it's true then great for us. I would pay good money for him to make the team and wear number 96. Would be great to be able to reuse an old jersey lol.

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:31 PM

In this day and age of the NHL every center should be good 2-way

I have to admit I don't know much about prospects but the size of these prospects satisfy me. I know our scouts know exactly what they're doing

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:37 PM

In this day and age of the NHL every center should be good 2-way

I have to admit I don't know much about prospects but the size of these prospects satisfy me. I know our scouts know exactly what they're doing

I Agree we need to get bigger in the middle and all you really want is 1-2 starters from a
Draft anyway

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 03:25 PM

It would be interesting to see which team has drafted the most college hockey players. I know we have a lot. It seems like college hockey has grown significantly might be early on to this early wave of great players that played college hockey

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 05:03 PM

It would be interesting to see which team has drafted the most college hockey players. I know we have a lot. It seems like college hockey has grown significantly might be early on to this early wave of great players that played college hockey

 

I read a list recently and I was amazed by how many there are, it was in the hundreds.  Most teams have at least 7 or 8 on their roster.

 

Wings have - Howard, Smith, DeKeyser, Lashoff, Nyquist Abdelkader, Glendening, Sheahan...8?


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 05:41 PM

Nyquist played college hockey also





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