Myers close to become a wing?

[Rivalred 630]

Pipe dream, won't happen...

[joesuffP 1,746]

I think Yandle is exactly what this team needs

[krsmith17 7,191]

I don't think Yandle is "exactly" what we need. Exactly what we need would be a right handed Yandle. To me, the closest thing to that is John Carlson in Washington or Kris Letang in Pittsburgh. Are either of these guys available / affordable? I doubt it. But maybe Carlson's teammate Mike Green is. Green is playing on their third pairing, making over 6M and is a UFA after this season. I'm not sure exactly what it would cost us but being a UFA would bring down his price a little. He has 5 (2-3) points in 4 games so far this season. Another option could be Brent Burns in San Jose, who is making a little less, just under 6M, but is signed for the next 3 seasons. He has 7 (1-6) points in 6 games so far this season. I think Burns would cost a little more than Green so maybe Green is the better option. Or maybe our best option is to call up one of the kids. Either way, I do think we need to replace Kindl, but I don't think Myers should be our guy.

[e_prime 1,936]

I don't have much interest in Myers. His size is something to consider, but I think we've got some prospects I'd rather see up with the team before we start trading for a guy who hasn't had much success in the league, barring his rookie year. (I know, I know he plays for Buffalo.)

While Carlson, Letang, or Burns would be fabulous additions to the blueline... those guys would cost WAYYYYY too much in a trade and are probably going NOWHERE. (Carlson is signed long-term at a great cap-hit. Letang is the Penguins d-corp. Only guy signed long-term. Burns has played both F and D for SJ, is very versatile. Have no idea why they'd ever ever ever trade him.)

Green might be a nice deadline acquisition (RENTAL ONLY) if Washington is looking to free up some cap-space for a forward, but unless we're somehow getting rid of Kindl and Quincey in the process... I don't think we'd want to re-sign him anyway.

Yandle probably isn't going anywhere unless he wants to get out of Arizona and I don't know what a realistic package for him would start at.

He's not the type of player that you can just toss leftover/unwanted pieces at to obtain. You're also talking complete overhaul of the D-corps if you're bringing Yandle over.

Malik mentioned him earlier today as a player to watch now, but I've had my eye out for him back when he was a pending FA in 2012

Dennis Wideman - Calgary - RIGHT HANDED. He has three years left at $5.25 million per season and his name is out there.

There was early concern with him not being on the roster, but 6 games in he has a goal and two assists on a team that may be going in a different direction. Giodano, Smid, Engelland, Russell all signed through next year. T.J. Brodie is all but extended at this point.

It's quite possible that the Flames may be looking to shed some of that salary that Wideman carries as they rebuild.

Kindl could slot in there nicely, as he's a slightly "cheaper," (but also slightly less effective) version of Wideman.

No, I'm not suggesting a straight up Kindl for Wideman trade. That's silly. It would definitely have to include a pick and prospect.

...and yes, I know, he has a no-trade. They can be waived.

Edited October 20, 2014 by e_prime

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

I don't have much interest in Myers. His size is something to consider, but I think we've got some prospects I'd rather see up with the team before we start trading for a guy who hasn't had much success in the league, barring his rookie year. (I know, I know he plays for Buffalo.)

While Carlson, Letang, or Burns would be fabulous additions to the blueline... those guys would cost WAYYYYY too much in a trade and are probably going NOWHERE. (Carlson is signed long-term at a great cap-hit. Letang is the Penguins d-corp. Only guy signed long-term. Burns has played both F and D for SJ, is very versatile. Have no idea why they'd ever ever ever trade him.)

Green might be a nice deadline acquisition (RENTAL ONLY) if Washington is looking to free up some cap-space for a forward, but unless we're somehow getting rid of Kindl and Quincey in the process... I don't think we'd want to re-sign him anyway.

Yandle probably isn't going anywhere unless he wants to get out of Arizona and I don't know what a realistic package for him would start at.

He's not the type of player that you can just toss leftover/unwanted pieces at to obtain. You're also talking complete overhaul of the D-corps if you're bringing Yandle over.

Malik mentioned him earlier today as a player to watch now, but I've had my eye out for him back when he was a pending FA in 2012

Dennis Wideman - Calgary - RIGHT HANDED. He has three years left at $5.25 million per season and his name is out there.

There was early concern with him not being on the roster, but 6 games in he has a goal and two assists on a team that may be going in a different direction. Giodano, Smid, Engelland, Russell all signed through next year. T.J. Brodie is all but extended at this point.

It's quite possible that the Flames may be looking to shed some of that salary that Wideman carries as they rebuild.

Kindl could slot in there nicely, as he's a slightly "cheaper," (but also slightly less effective) version of Wideman.

No, I'm not suggesting a straight up Kindl for Wideman trade. That's silly. It would definitely have to include a pick and prospect.

...and yes, I know, he has a no-trade. They can be waived.

Yeah there is no way burns gets traded unless the sharks are cleaning house, but even then I think he'd be someone they keep for his versatility alone.

And wideman would work, but I have the asking price has to be stupid because his names been in trade rumors a lot and nothings been done yet, same thing with Greene.

[e_prime 1,936]

Price on Wideman is probably reasonable now, but will definitely go up as the season progresses. The Flames will be smart to hold on to him and get as much as they can... any team that covets him should make the move sooner than later.

The same goes for Green.

Other names to consider:

Brian Campbell (FLA) - Name that gets tossed around a lot. Unsure why we would touch his cap hit and the fact that he has yet another year remaining on his HUGE cap hit. Also, he's a lefty. Also, HIS HUGE GINORMOUS CAP HIT.

Any of the Jets D-men that are still remnants of the Atlanta Thrashers days are intriguing to me: Zach Bogosian, Toby Enstrom, M. Stuart, maybe Byfuglien -- although he seemingly plays forward now. Can you imagine that big boy in front of the net ala Holmstrom on the PP.

I mean, something has to give in the 'Peg, no? Especially if Cheveldayoff wants to keep his job. ...but that probably won't happen.

They'll just *sigh* fire Maurice and hire someone like Bylsma or Carlyle (when he's fired)

Petry. I know it's up on the front page, but...

Trade Kindl and Lash to Edmonton for Petry.

Oil get two defensemen for the price of one. Kindl is signed for a few years so and they can use him.

Lash probably gets a chance at being a regular roster player and if he sticks, can sign for more money than he'd make in Detroit.

Petry isn't going to re-sign there. If he doesn't re-sign here, no big whoop.

We alleviate a log jam at D. Bring up some prospects and see what you've got.

Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekesyer, Smith, Quincey, Petry, prospects rotate in. Not shabby at all.

Win for us. Win for EDM. Winners all around. #winning

Edited October 20, 2014 by e_prime

[derblaueClaus 1,668]

I don't think Yandle is "exactly" what we need. Exactly what we need would be a right handed Yandle. To me, the closest thing to that is John Carlson in Washington or Kris Letang in Pittsburgh. Are either of these guys available / affordable? I doubt it. But maybe Carlson's teammate Mike Green is. Green is playing on their third pairing, making over 6M and is a UFA after this season. I'm not sure exactly what it would cost us but being a UFA would bring down his price a little. He has 5 (2-3) points in 4 games so far this season. Another option could be Brent Burns in San Jose, who is making a little less, just under 6M, but is signed for the next 3 seasons. He has 7 (1-6) points in 6 games so far this season. I think Burns would cost a little more than Green so maybe Green is the better option. Or maybe our best option is to call up one of the kids. Either way, I do think we need to replace Kindl, but I don't think Myers should be our guy.

Jep, Greene would be the best solution. If he gets going here, resign him, if not no problem as he's an UFA. Our only problem is the cap. According to capgeek we'd have 5,120,802 $ cap space if we trade Kindl away. Greene takes 6,083,333 $. Kenny needs to find around 1 Mil capspace somewhere in our roster or let Washington eat it if he wants to make this trade.

[T.Low 1,011]

Remember Wideman bad mouthing the Wings...or wait, was that Wizneuski?

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Remember Wideman bad mouthing the Wings...or wait, was that Wizneuski?

I'm not sure about Wideman, but Wisniewski did for sure. I recall him going on about how Detroit doesn't pay players market value.

Also, just an update to the Myers situation, TFP is reporting that the Ducks are potentially offering Palmieri, Vatanen and Rakell as part of the deal for Myers. If that's the case, phew. Too rich for my blood, personally - draft picks included or not.

[e_prime 1,936]

It was James "fair value" Wisniewski.

[number9 3,297]

To Wisniewski's defense, I believe he's living up to that contract. He's among the best playing at the point.

[e_prime 1,936]

To Wisniewski's defense, I believe he's living up to that contract. He's among the best playing at the point.

Very true. Belive that Holland was very much still of the "we don't need to pay people to come here, we're a destination team" mindset.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I don't think Yandle is "exactly" what we need. Exactly what we need would be a right handed Yandle. To me, the closest thing to that is John Carlson in Washington or Kris Letang in Pittsburgh. Are either of these guys available / affordable? I doubt it. But maybe Carlson's teammate Mike Green is. Green is playing on their third pairing, making over 6M and is a UFA after this season. I'm not sure exactly what it would cost us but being a UFA would bring down his price a little. He has 5 (2-3) points in 4 games so far this season. Another option could be Brent Burns in San Jose, who is making a little less, just under 6M, but is signed for the next 3 seasons. He has 7 (1-6) points in 6 games so far this season. I think Burns would cost a little more than Green so maybe Green is the better option. Or maybe our best option is to call up one of the kids. Either way, I do think we need to replace Kindl, but I don't think Myers should be our guy.

Lmao I thought Yandle was right handed. I do that a lot. I wanted Edler badly at the deadline the whole time thinking he was right handed

[joesuffP 1,746]

Holland should pull the trigger on this one. playing with Kronwall and some world class coaching he'll have every opportunity to succeed. I'd be more than ok parting with Ericsson/Kindl/Quincey + picks and prospect. These are decent top 4 options to stabilize their d for their rebuil

[WingsallTheway 383]

Read on hfb that buffalo asked for larkin+kindl+1st for Myers and holland turned it down.

Not sure how credible the source is, but dreger was mentioned

[Bannedforlife 403]

Read on hfb that buffalo asked for larkin+kindl+1st for Myers and holland turned it down.

Not sure how credible the source is, but dreger was mentioned

I'd do that deal as long as its a 2016 1st

[joesuffP 1,746]

I'm sick of watching this team trying to circumvent the massive hole on defense. Make the trade, lets get better and start addressing other needs. Been looking for a top 4 puck mover for four years now. Our defense is beyond inept offensively and the power play is costing us wins. The hole on our team is glaring and even more obvious as we continue to grow and iron out the other issues we had

[krsmith17 7,191]

Larkin is one of the few prospects that we have that should be absolutely off limits in my opinion. He is a smart two-way center that has speed to burn. He's 3-5 years away from the NHL but by then we'll be in desperate need for a replacement for one or both of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. He is our only center that projects to be a number one. As much as I love Sheahan, he tops out at a number 2, Helm tops out at a number 3 and Glendening tops out at a number 4. I love Athanasiou, but I don't see him becoming a number 1, number 2 maybe, and same goes for Janmark and Nosek. We're definitely going to need a number one center in a few years and Larkin could be that guy. And people want to trade him away for a project defenseman?... when we have as many promising prospects clawing at the door, not to mention our defense has been a strong point for our team so far this season...

Why would you trade away our highest pick since Martin Lapointe, before seeing what he can do over the next few seasons? It makes no sense at all... And in what world is Tyler Myers worth 3 first rounders? No, Kindl didn't pan out quite as well as we would have liked but he is still a former first round pick. And like previously mentioned, Larkin was our highest pick since 1991 and you want to trade him away, not even 4 months later? Plus add in another 1st round pick to sweeten the pot? C'mon, Myers is not worth that trade, and I'm glade we have a GM that is as smart as Ken Holland and not as impatient as most fans. He knows he has a special player in Larkin and he isn't willing to throw him away after just a few months...

[Dominator2005 558]

It seems like Buffalo contacted Detroit, their offer was : Myers for Larkin and Kindl, Kenny said NO.

This is coming from DD Twitter account and I can't copy/paste at this moment.

I don't see 1st involved.

Discuss

Edited October 22, 2014 by Dominator2005

[Bannedforlife 403]

Larkin is one of the few prospects that we have that should be absolutely off limits in my opinion. He is a smart two-way center that has speed to burn. He's 3-5 years away from the NHL but by then we'll be in desperate need for a replacement for one or both of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. He is our only center that projects to be a number one. As much as I love Sheahan, he tops out at a number 2, Helm tops out at a number 3 and Glendening tops out at a number 4. I love Athanasiou, but I don't see him becoming a number 1, number 2 maybe, and same goes for Janmark and Nosek. We're definitely going to need a number one center in a few years and Larkin could be that guy. And people want to trade him away for a project defenseman?... when we have as many promising prospects clawing at the door, not to mention our defense has been a strong point for our team so far this season...

Why would you trade away our highest pick since Martin Lapointe, before seeing what he can do over the next few seasons? It makes no sense at all... And in what world is Tyler Myers worth 3 first rounders? No, Kindl didn't pan out quite as well as we would have liked but he is still a former first round pick. And like previously mentioned, Larkin was our highest pick since 1991 and you want to trade him away, not even 4 months later? Plus add in another 1st round pick to sweeten the pot? C'mon, Myers is not worth that trade, and I'm glade we have a GM that is as smart as Ken Holland and not as impatient as most fans. He knows he has a special player in Larkin and he isn't willing to throw him away after just a few months...

You know who our last 'highest pick since Lapointe' was? Jakub Kindl. We decided to wait and see what we had in him, 10 years later he has become a waste of space that we can't give away.

Im sorry, but waiting to see what you have with all of your prospects is dumb. You either a) find out that they're good and you want to keep them, or b) find out they suck and then no one will want them. Either way, it never allows you to make a trade to address needs and improve your team now.

We need a top 4, right shooting bomb dropper. Do you really want to wait 2-3 years for Sproul to become that?

Edited October 22, 2014 by Bannedforlife

[Bannedforlife 403]

If we had traded kindl in his draft year, maybe we couldve gotten ourselves something nice and shiny. Hell, maybe we couldve packaged kindl and smith and helm and a first and landed burns. Wouldnt that be nice right now?

Edited October 22, 2014 by Bannedforlife

[krsmith17 7,191]

You're only looking at one side of it. Yeah, it sucks when a pick doesn't work out as planned, especially when it's a first rounder but to not even wait and see what he will become is what is dumb in my opinion. I think every player should stay in the system for at least a year after they've been drafted. I'm just happy that the GM of the Detroit Red Wings doesn't have the quick trigger finger that most fans do.

You said you have to find out if they're good, but how do you find out if he's good after just 3 games of college hockey?

Yeah, you're right, and what if we decided to trade Mantha after his draft year?...

These guys are just kids, you never know if they're going to be studs or duds until they play in your system for a year or so. Why chance that unless you are getting a sure thing in return. And Myers is definitely not a sure thing...

[WorkingOvertime 536]

It seems like Buffalo contacted Detroit, their offer was : Myers for Larkin and Kindl, Kenny said NO.

This is coming from DD Twitter account and I can't copy/paste at this moment.

I don't see 1st involved.

Discuss

If the Wings are interested in Myers, this seems like a fair deal IMO. I'm not sure that package could get the Wings anyone better than Myers.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I don't want to move Larkin, certainly not for Myers. And most of the Wings d are offensive minded, the transition is off.

[Bannedforlife 403]

You're only looking at one side of it. Yeah, it sucks when a pick doesn't work out as planned, especially when it's a first rounder but to not even wait and see what he will become is what is dumb in my opinion. I think every player should stay in the system for at least a year after they've been drafted. I'm just happy that the GM of the Detroit Red Wings doesn't have the quick trigger finger that most fans do.

You said you have to find out if they're good, but how do you find out if he's good after just 3 games of college hockey?

Yeah, you're right, and what if we decided to trade Mantha after his draft year?...

These guys are just kids, you never know if they're going to be studs or duds until they play in your system for a year or so. Why chance that unless you are getting a sure thing in return. And Myers is definitely not a sure thing...

These are our last 10 first round picks:

05 - Kindl

06 - Emmerton (traded down)

07 - Smith

08 - McCollum

09 - Ferraro (traded down)

10 - Sheahan

11 - Jurco (traded down)

12 - None (traded away)

13 - Mantha

14 - Larkin

In the last 10 years, the Wings have had exactly ONE first round pick that has made it (Smith), two that had good first years but still have a lot to prove (Sheahan, Jurco), one that looks like the real deal but hasn't played a single professional game (Mantha), three that straight up have no shot (Emmerton, McCollum, Ferraro), one that straight up sucks (Kindl), and one that might get a sniff of first line duty around the turn of the decade (Larkin, if he even develops).

So yea, based on our recent history of choosing and developing first round talent, I'd trade two guys who MIGHT play in the NHL 5-10 years from now for a young, giant, right hand bomb dropping, Calder winning, bona-fide NHL player and de facto number one defenceman who fills the single greatest need that our team currently faces.

Edited October 23, 2014 by Bannedforlife