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These are our last 10 first round picks:

05 - Kindl

06 - Emmerton (traded down)

07 - Smith

08 - McCollum

09 - Ferraro (traded down)

10 - Sheahan

11 - Jurco (traded down)

12 - None (traded away)

13 - Mantha

14 - Larkin

In the last 10 years, the Wings have had exactly ONE first round pick that has made it (Smith), two that had good first years but still have a lot to prove (Sheahan, Jurco), one that looks like the real deal but hasn't played a single professional game (Mantha), three that straight up have no shot (Emmerton, McCollum, Ferraro), one that straight up sucks (Kindl), and one that might get a sniff of first line duty around the turn of the decade (Larkin, if he even develops).

So yea, based on our recent history of choosing and developing first round talent, I'd trade two guys who MIGHT play in the NHL 5-10 years from now for a young, giant, right hand bomb dropping, Calder winning, bona-fide NHL player and de facto number one defenceman who fills the single greatest need that our team currently faces.

Kindl, Smith, McCollum, Sheahan, Mantha, and Larkin are our ACTUAL recent first round picks. All of them can still turn around or flop.

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I would make this trade....we can only assume what Larkin MAY do. He could be the next Peter senji, Nickolas Zheredev, Patrick Stepan, Alex Daigle, Thomas Hickey, Pat Falloon..... potential is just potential at this point. It's not like Jurco where you can see that the kid has ALL the skills to okay at this level. We need to address the D issue now. Kindl has to go....it's not for a lack of effort but he cannot and will not go into corners. He would take a hit to make a play which leads to turnovers.

Myers would stabilize the Defense and most Kindl along his path to becoming an all star defenseman in the Bosnian Elite league.

Pull the Trigger Holland

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So if we get Myers or lineup should like like:

Kronwall Myers

Smith dekeyser

E Quincey

But instead Babcock will do something stupid like

E dekeyser

Smith quincey(cause it's a proven act it doesn't work so he will keep doing it).

I don't know much about Larkin other then he has size and potential. But if holland doesn't want to give him up offer someone like Tatar marchenko or idk

Hell we should get buffalo to add stewart.

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You don't draft a guy as high as Larkin and then turn around and trade him without seeing what he can do, especially for a mediocre defenseman, when we already have plenty of talent down in GR. Sure, Larkin could be a bust, but he could also be a big time player. Larkin could turn out to be the next Reggie Savage (drafted 15th overall in 1988) or he could turn out to be the next Joe Sakic (drafted 15th overall in 1987). I think he will be more like a Ryan O'Reilly in Colorado. Would I trade away O'Reilly, Kindl, plus a first for an average skill, massive size defenseman? Hell no! There is a very good reason Holland is not willing to let this kid go, his upside is just too high for the return he would be getting.

DON'T DO IT KENNY!

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You don't draft a guy as high as Larkin and then turn around and trade him without seeing what he can do, especially for a mediocre defenseman, when we already have plenty of talent down in GR. Sure, Larkin could be a bust, but he could also be a big time player. Larkin could turn out to be the next Reggie Savage (drafted 15th overall in 1988) or he could turn out to be the next Joe Sakic (drafted 15th overall in 1987). I think he will be more like a Ryan O'Reilly in Colorado. Would I trade away O'Reilly, Kindl, plus a first for an average skill, massive size defenseman? Hell no! There is a very good reason Holland is not willing to let this kid go, his upside is just too high for the return he would be getting.

DON'T DO IT KENNY!

I think it depends on if you believe Myers is mediocre. IMO the Wings shouldn't have any interest if they believe he is mediocre- they have enough mediocre defensemen on the roster. If they believe he is a top-2 defenseman, then I don't see them paying a lower price elsewhere in the league.

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Just a random thought. I know Adam Almquist went overseas, but if I recall correctly, the Wings still hold his rights. Is that a piece we could throw in to a package to help keep Larkin and Mantha off the table? He was good in the AHL but a bit undersized. He might fit with a team like the Sabres, though on the surface he's likely not much, if any, value now.

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Right now I think Myers is a bit better than Smith and Dekeyser. I think that's going to change fairly soon though. Given Myers' contract, I don't want him unless they're willing to take a ridiculously craptacular package in return, which they won't.

Did you know that Myers is younger than Smith and the same age as Dekeyser? If they have room to improve, why doesn't Myers?

Just a random thought. I know Adam Almquist went overseas, but if I recall correctly, the Wings still hold his rights. Is that a piece we could throw in to a package to help keep Larkin and Mantha off the table? He was good in the AHL but a bit undersized. He might fit with a team like the Sabres, though on the surface he's likely not much, if any, value now.

Better throw in Emmerton just to be sure...

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Myers for Larkin and Kindl? I call shenanigans.

For one, Buffalo has a glut of talented centermen in the pipeline - Reinhart, Girgensons, Grigs, etc. Not that guys can't be shifted to the wing, but I assume they'd be looking for talented wingers at this point.

Second, just sending Kindl over wouldn't be enough to clear the space for Myers' 5.5 price tag. Unless I'm missing something, there would have to be another piece coming from Detroit.

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Right now I think Myers is a bit better than Smith and Dekeyser. I think that's going to change fairly soon though. Given Myers' contract, I don't want him unless they're willing to take a ridiculously craptacular package in return, which they won't.

Did you know that Myers is younger than Smith and the same age as Dekeyser? If they have room to improve, why doesn't Myers?

Just a random thought. I know Adam Almquist went overseas, but if I recall correctly, the Wings still hold his rights. Is that a piece we could throw in to a package to help keep Larkin and Mantha off the table? He was good in the AHL but a bit undersized. He might fit with a team like the Sabres, though on the surface he's likely not much, if any, value now.

Better throw in Emmerton just to be sure...

Smith is also improving, I'm not sure Myers is.

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Myers has more points in his career than Smith, DeKeyser, Kindl, and Lashoff COMBINED. In about half the number of games, too.

He had a down year during the lockout, but last year he scored .35 ppg, .21ppg, .42ppg, .46ppg, and .59ppg the years before. Thats pretty good, especially considering that he's spent his entire career on the undisputed worst team in the league.

Im not saying that he's the next Lidstrom, but to say that he is completely worthless is wrong.

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I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless... I'll speak for myself and say that he definitely is not worth that deal in my books.

This. In terms of objective value, it's probably not that far off, but with respect to the Red Wings' talent pool they need to keep all of the promising young centers they can. Outside of Datsyuk and Z, you hope that Sheahan has 2C upside, but after the it's kind of grim looking. Hopefully, one of Janmark, Athanasiou or Nosek can pan out, but I wouldn't want to ride on that. At wing we have Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Jurco, Pulkinen - on defense Ouellet, Sproul, Backman and Marchenko. Those all seem like more surefire bets to me than the aforementioned centers. I just don't think the team should deal from an area of weakness.

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I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless... I'll speak for myself and say that he definitely is not worth that deal in my books.

Dickie said that he didn't want him unless Buffalo was willing to take out our garbage. That's severely undervaluing him.

This. In terms of objective value, it's probably not that far off, but with respect to the Red Wings' talent pool they need to keep all of the promising young centers they can. Outside of Datsyuk and Z, you hope that Sheahan has 2C upside, but after the it's kind of grim looking. Hopefully, one of Janmark, Athanasiou or Nosek can pan out, but I wouldn't want to ride on that. At wing we have Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Jurco, Pulkinen - on defense Ouellet, Sproul, Backman and Marchenko. Those all seem like more surefire bets to me than the aforementioned centers. I just don't think the team should deal from an area of weakness.

Regarding the center prospects, yea its a problem. But right now we have NHL centermen. We don't have a single right shooting offensive defenceman, a fact that Babcock has bemoaned for years. We do have an overabundance of dman prospects that look like they will for sure be NHL players someday, but not right now. We will have to trade at least one of them in the next two years or so because there simply isn't enough roster space for all of them. Why don't we trade our highly promising center prospect to address an urgent need now, and then use our highly promising defenceman prospects to address a POTENTIAL need later?

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Regarding the center prospects, yea its a problem. But right now we have NHL centermen. We don't have a single right shooting offensive defenceman, a fact that Babcock has bemoaned for years. We do have an overabundance of dman prospects that look like they will for sure be NHL players someday, but not right now. We will have to trade at least one of them in the next two years or so because there simply isn't enough roster space for all of them. Why don't we trade our highly promising center prospect to address an urgent need now, and then use our highly promising defenceman prospects to address a POTENTIAL need later?

From my perspective, I don't see Myers putting Detroit over the top in the next two years - maybe that's just me. Around that time, Sproul and Jensen should be on this team. I'm not sure the ceiling between Sproul and Myers is that far apart.

I agree that this team is going to have too many NHL caliber defenders (hopefully), and I think one or more should be packaged, but with a winger - not a center. Again, in terms of relative value, I feel as if Larkin is worth more to this team. I don't think you move two of Ouellet, Sproul, Backman, Marchenko and/or Jensen and get someone like Larkin back.

IMO, it would be poor asset management if Holland moved Larkin today, hoping that he can move one or more of those guys down the road for another center. Perhaps if this team was in a better position to win a cup, and Myers was a for-sure impact defender, I'd make the move. At this point, I think Larkin's perceived value to this team is greater than Myers' immediate value. Just my take on it.

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If he didn't have that contract I'd be more interested. I don't care if he has a bunch of points, I don't see him that good in his own end, and I don't like d who are weak defensively. I also don't like that he's missed so much time the last 3 years. He's just too much of a gamble to trade a lot for him with all the young D the Wings have already.

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Kindl is totally gone this year or this offseason.

I think Ericsson and Quincey will have to go soon as well.

Ouellet can't stay in GR next year it just can't happen and Marchenko/Backman/Sproul/Jensen will all be pushing next season too.

I wonder if upgrading Kindl to Ericsson and downgrading Larkin to Pulkkinen would be enough in addition to a 2nd.

Myers for Ericsson, Pulkkinen, 2nd.

Then we waive Kindl and bring up Ouellet.

Kronwall Myers

Smith DD

Ouellet Quincey

This offseason we dump Quincey and Lashoff to make room for 2 of Sproul/Jensen/Marchenko/Backman.

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Weiss-30%salary retained+

Kindl+

Pulkkinnen

For myers.

If they don't want pulks, Dominic turgeon, add a third/conditional second.

They're gonna have to come down on price once they realize noones giving up their top prospect for him.

Weiss isnt going anywhere. He has a NMC and with that cap hit he would be impossible to move even without his no movement clause, you think he would accept a trade to buffalo?

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