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#21 poel

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 12:50 PM

poel, this whole rant is a joke right? You can't be serious... Those are some teerrrrible trades and that roster isf****** awful...

 

You want to trade away our best shut down defenseman for a draft pick, only to flip that pick along with our two top young wingers for a project defenseman.... Wow... I wouldn't even trade Ericsson for Myers straight up at this point... Unreal...

 

Ericsson is pretty much overrated. He might be solid, but he's not producing. Furthermore, he's not fast and not hard enough for a top pair defender. I know that Babs likes him, but he shouldn't really play so many important minutes with Kronwall. Myers is already better than him. His problem is that he's playing for the sabres. He'd bring in exactly what we need and he has the potential to be a franchise player like Kronwall is. If Holland would pick up the phone and offer Murray Ericsson for Myers, that call wouldn't even reach the one minute mark. I'm sure they have absolute no intention to acquire Ericsson, at least not in a trade including Tyler Myers.

 

In trades, you won't get anyone for free. That roster would maybe not make the playoffs, but it would the year after and the years to come. Brouwer would fit our needs and Myers and Kane are potential franchise players. We need to add some toughness, goal scoring and size anyway. Our team isnt't scoring goals and is getting bumped arround like nobody else...because nobody makes our opponents pay for dirty fouls or hard checks. Abdelkader and Kronwall are the only players remaining our opponents are not laughing at...


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 12:26 PM

So... this is popping back up again.

 

 

 

Many teams interested in Myers and BUF would do it, but the price will be high. DET one of many calling BUF. #thnlive

 

I really don't want to see this trade, especially since the rumored asking price is Mantha, a 1st, and something else. No thank-you.



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 12:48 PM

Where have you heard that Mantha, plus our first, plus... would be involved in a trade for Myers? It seems like every trade that we're "linked to", Mantha is the guy that other teams want. The problem is, there is no way they're getting him. Mantha is as untouchable a prospect we've had in a long time. He's not going anywhere unless it gets us an already elite player in the NHL still in his prime, which isn't going to happen either. I don't think Myers is a terrible player by any means but I don't think he is what this team needs right now, especially with all the other kids knocking on the door...


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 01:12 PM

Where have you heard that Mantha, plus our first, plus... would be involved in a trade for Myers? It seems like every trade that we're "linked to", Mantha is the guy that other teams want. The problem is, there is no way they're getting him. Mantha is as untouchable a prospect we've had in a long time. He's not going anywhere unless it gets us an already elite player in the NHL still in his prime, which isn't going to happen either. I don't think Myers is a terrible player by any means but I don't think he is what this team needs right now, especially with all the other kids knocking on the door...

 

Per Elliotte Friedman, a few days back:

 

http://www.fantasysp...abres-requested

 

 

 

According to Elliotte Friedman, the Sabres requested Anthony Mantha back from the Red Wings in a trade for Tyler Myers.

Impacts: "The Red Wings stopped there," Friedman said. Perhaps the Red Wings wouldve considered if they were acquiring the Myers from a few years ago. As is, Mantha, the 20th pick in the 2013 draft, is loaded with potential, scoring 57 times and notching 120 points in the QMJHL last season. While Myers, 24, has been a shadow of the player he was his rookie season when he recorded 48 points.

 

Not sure if anything has changed since, or if McKenzie is just discussing information from a few days back.



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:44 PM

I would love to solidify our defense but trading Mantha is too risky. Would you rather trade Nyquist/Tatar? I don't know. Tough decision

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 07:19 PM

As a Buffalo resident I would say the Wings shouldn't be interested in any Sabres not named Zemgus Girgensons.



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Posted 14 October 2014 - 08:57 PM

Tatar kindl, and a pick?

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 11:22 PM

I’d have no problem with trading Mantha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

For Stamkos, Tavares, Pietrangelo, or Doughty.  :ninja:


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 05:07 AM

Id have no problem with trading Mantha.
 
 
 
 
 
 
For Stamkos, Tavares, Pietrangelo, or Doughty.  :ninja:


All 4 for mantha, and they have to share him

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:04 AM

Personally, I wouldn't move any forwards named Mantha, Tatar, Nyquist or Sheahan in a deal for Myers. I feel like he's a bit of a project, and I wouldn't want this team to gamble assets up front to see if Myers can turn it around. If it were a package of say, Pulkkinen, Backman/Jensen, Weiss/Quincey/Kindl (for cap relief) and a 1st, I might be more receptive to it, but I think Buffalo believes they can get a much better return for him.

 

I just don't see the risk-reward working out on this deal for Detroit.



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:21 AM

Personally, I wouldn't move any forwards named Mantha, Tatar, Nyquist or Sheahan in a deal for Myers. I feel like he's a bit of a project, and I wouldn't want this team to gamble assets up front to see if Myers can turn it around. If it were a package of say, Pulkkinen, Backman/Jensen, Weiss/Quincey/Kindl (for cap relief) and a 1st, I might be more receptive to it, but I think Buffalo believes they can get a much better return for him.
 
I just don't see the risk-reward working out on this deal for Detroit.


I like Tatar and all. But realistically he will be maybe a 50-60 point player, which is pretty good. But if you could get a giant dman for Tatar that could possibly put up similar numbers why wouldn't you?

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Posted 15 October 2014 - 11:36 AM

I wrote something similar this morning but it didn't post for whatever reason and I was too lazy to retype everything... But I agree, none of Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco or Mantha should be involved in a trade for any defenseman in my opinion. None of the elite defense are going to be available to make losing any of those guys worth it and besides, we already have a bit of a logjam on the back end. Why add to that? If we're trading for any of the players reportedly available (Yandle, Bogosian, Byfuglien, Myers, Brewer, Gardiner, Methot...), I think a defenseman or two should go the other way. The players I'd have available would be Kindl, Ouellet, Backman and Marchenko, I'd rather keep Sproul and Jensen if possible...



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 12:44 PM

I like Tatar and all. But realistically he will be maybe a 50-60 point player, which is pretty good. But if you could get a giant dman for Tatar that could possibly put up similar numbers why wouldn't you?

 

First off, the whole basis of me not wanting to move a forward is more about their value relative to the team compared to defenders. Right now, we're sitting pretty with Datsyuk, Z and to a lesser extent Mule. When those guys are done, there's a big drop-off in talent. In my eyes, Detroit needs to hang onto their potential top 6 guys for now. On the other hand, they've got guys like DeKeyser and Smith on the team now, with Ouellet, Marchenko, Sproul, Backman and Jensen on the way.

Regardless of that, my opinion of these two players is that one guy is on the upswing, while one is on a downswing. Myers had a fantastic rookie season, but aside from that every thing has pretty much gone downhill from there. I get that he's on the Sabres, but there hasn't been much positive to say about Myers in a long while. Anytime you read Sabres fans discussing Myers (outside of when they want a king's ransom in a trade) they mention his mobility issues and poor decisions with the puck. There's a big IF involved in Myers turning his game around in Detroit.

When I look at Tatar, I do see a guy who tops out at that 50-60 point mark, but I also see a feisty player willing to go to the hard parts of the ice. He plays bigger than he is, and the guy exudes passion. When I think of Tatar and his potential, it's not a matter of "if" but when. I'd rather keep the commodity I know about over the one I'm not sure is going to return to form. 



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 04:17 PM

I like Tatar and all. But realistically he will be maybe a 50-60 point player, which is pretty good. But if you could get a giant dman for Tatar that could possibly put up similar numbers why wouldn't you?

 

 

When I look at Tatar, I do see a guy who tops out at that 50-60 point mark, but I also see a feisty player willing to go to the hard parts of the ice. He plays bigger than he is, and the guy exudes passion. When I think of Tatar and his potential, it's not a matter of "if" but when. I'd rather keep the commodity I know about over the one I'm not sure is going to return to form. 

 

First off I would like to say that I am in no way starting a fight or crapping on your opinions, but I would sincerely like to know how you assess Tatar to "top out" at a 50-60 point scorer.  Was it from his one full season in the NHL?

 

To put it in perspective:

 

Datsyuk' stats from his first season were 70GP 11-24-35

 

Tatar's stats were 73GP 19-20-39

 

Those stats are pretty similar, and I'm pretty sure no one thought Datsyuk would turn out to be our franchise center and arguably one of the most talented/innovative payers in the game.  I am not comparing the two in skill, but my point remains.  I know it feels like we've been talking about Tats forever, but last season was the first time he suited up for over 20 games and, honestly, he was pretty impressive IMO.  I'd say give it another full season (or two) before we cap him off as a second line winger.   

 

I'm not saying that its not a realistic assessment or that it won't turn out that way, but I don't feel like there's really been enough time to accurately gauge the player he will become.

 

My personal opinion?  I am on the same boat with some others on this forum who would consider him an "untouchable" (barring some crazy deal, of course) and a valuable asset to this team and its future.  

 

Honestly, as far as Myers goes, if it's gonna cost us the likes of Tatar, Jurco, or Sheahan plus a pick and a high level prospect, I hope Holland just walks away.  Would I love him and his desperately needed right-handed shot on this team?  Hell yes.  But at the cost rumors are claiming it would take to get him?  No way.  I would rather have Sproul/ Marchenko/Jenson on this team, before trading one of them for Myers.




 
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Posted 15 October 2014 - 07:36 PM

 

 

 

First off I would like to say that I am in no way starting a fight or crapping on your opinions, but I would sincerely like to know how you assess Tatar to "top out" at a 50-60 point scorer.  Was it from his one full season in the NHL?

 

To put it in perspective:

 

Datsyuk' stats from his first season were 70GP 11-24-35

 

Tatar's stats were 73GP 19-20-39

 

Those stats are pretty similar, and I'm pretty sure no one thought Datsyuk would turn out to be our franchise center and arguably one of the most talented/innovative payers in the game.  I am not comparing the two in skill, but my point remains.  I know it feels like we've been talking about Tats forever, but last season was the first time he suited up for over 20 games and, honestly, he was pretty impressive IMO.  I'd say give it another full season (or two) before we cap him off as a second line winger.   

 

I'm not saying that its not a realistic assessment or that it won't turn out that way, but I don't feel like there's really been enough time to accurately gauge the player he will become.

 

My personal opinion?  I am on the same boat with some others on this forum who would consider him an "untouchable" (barring some crazy deal, of course) and a valuable asset to this team and its future.  

 

Honestly, as far as Myers goes, if it's gonna cost us the likes of Tatar, Jurco, or Sheahan plus a pick and a high level prospect, I hope Holland just walks away.  Would I love him and his desperately needed right-handed shot on this team?  Hell yes.  But at the cost rumors are claiming it would take to get him?  No way.  I would rather have Sproul/ Marchenko/Jenson on this team, before trading one of them for Myers.

 

First, the whole point was that I wouldn't move him for Myers - I do see him as a piece this team needs (ie: value relative to defenders on the team). I understand his value to the team.

I see Tatar as more of a "catch and release" type player, rather than someone who is going to drive the play. If he can put up 60 points, he's still within the top 60 players in the league in terms of point production. I don't think that's insulting, or cutting him short. I think he's going to make an excellent complimentary winger. He's got great hands in tight, and releases the puck as well as anyone on this team.

 

I do think, however, that he's going to wind up being a 2nd line player on this team. I see Nyquist, Mantha and Jurco as player who all have higher ceilings than he does. Perhaps I'm wrong, and that's fine... but I really do see him as a complimentary guy. I think he's in the same company as Ryan O'Reilly, Voracek and Oshie - all great players, but maybe not ones regarded as superstars.

I do agree about the small sample to judge his potential. Considering there hasn't been enough time to accurately gauge his production in the future, I'd say there's no way to say he'd top out as a 1st line 70-80 point guy, either. Basically, I just feel that what I see from him hints at him being a complimentary winger, not a superstar. Either way, it's all conjecture at this point.



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 08:14 PM

I couldn't agree more with your assessment Jesusberg. :clap:



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Posted 15 October 2014 - 08:53 PM

 

First, the whole point was that I wouldn't move him for Myers - I do see him as a piece this team needs (ie: value relative to defenders on the team). I understand his value to the team.

I see Tatar as more of a "catch and release" type player, rather than someone who is going to drive the play. If he can put up 60 points, he's still within the top 60 players in the league in terms of point production. I don't think that's insulting, or cutting him short. I think he's going to make an excellent complimentary winger. He's got great hands in tight, and releases the puck as well as anyone on this team.

 

I do think, however, that he's going to wind up being a 2nd line player on this team. I see Nyquist, Mantha and Jurco as player who all have higher ceilings than he does. Perhaps I'm wrong, and that's fine... but I really do see him as a complimentary guy. I think he's in the same company as Ryan O'Reilly, Voracek and Oshie - all great players, but maybe not ones regarded as superstars.

I do agree about the small sample to judge his potential. Considering there hasn't been enough time to accurately gauge his production in the future, I'd say there's no way to say he'd top out as a 1st line 70-80 point guy, either. Basically, I just feel that what I see from him hints at him being a complimentary winger, not a superstar. Either way, it's all conjecture at this point.

I agree that it's conjecture and I do not think yours was unfair or insulting, I hope I did not come off that way. I just wanted to see where you guys were coming from since you believe he'll top off as a 50-60 point scorer.  Honestly, I don't think you're far off; I think he will be in the 60-70 pt per year. I just wanted your perspective.

 

Either way, I wouldn't want him to be traded, especially for Myers.




 
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 11:23 AM

Kindl a D prospect and a pick.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 02:53 PM

'Give them Jurco and a second and be done with it. If Buffalo asks for more well look for another defender.


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Posted 16 October 2014 - 02:59 PM

Nick Kypreos reported that Florida is trying to trade Campbell.


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