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#81 WorkingOvertime

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 06:42 AM

You don't draft a guy as high as Larkin and then turn around and trade him without seeing what he can do, especially for a mediocre defenseman, when we already have plenty of talent down in GR. Sure, Larkin could be a bust, but he could also be a big time player. Larkin could turn out to be the next Reggie Savage (drafted 15th overall in 1988) or he could turn out to be the next Joe Sakic (drafted 15th overall in 1987). I think he will be more like a Ryan O'Reilly in Colorado. Would I trade away O'Reilly, Kindl, plus a first for an average skill, massive size defenseman? Hell no! There is a very good reason Holland is not willing to let this kid go, his upside is just too high for the return he would be getting.

 

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I think it depends on if you believe Myers is mediocre. IMO the Wings shouldn't have any interest if they believe he is mediocre- they have enough mediocre defensemen on the roster. If they believe he is a top-2 defenseman, then I don't see them paying a lower price elsewhere in the league.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 07:21 AM

But that's the thing. He definitely is not a top 2 defenseman. No way...



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 12:31 PM

Right now I think Myers is a bit better than Smith and Dekeyser.  I think that's going to change fairly soon though.  Given Myers' contract, I don't want him unless they're willing to take a ridiculously craptacular package in return, which they won't.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 03:00 PM

Just a random thought. I know Adam Almquist went overseas, but if I recall correctly, the Wings still hold his rights. Is that a piece we could throw in to a package to help keep Larkin and Mantha off the table? He was good in the AHL but a bit undersized. He might fit with a team like the Sabres, though on the surface he's likely not much, if any, value now.
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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:04 PM

Right now I think Myers is a bit better than Smith and Dekeyser.  I think that's going to change fairly soon though.  Given Myers' contract, I don't want him unless they're willing to take a ridiculously craptacular package in return, which they won't.

Did you know that Myers is younger than Smith and the same age as Dekeyser? If they have room to improve, why doesn't Myers?

Just a random thought. I know Adam Almquist went overseas, but if I recall correctly, the Wings still hold his rights. Is that a piece we could throw in to a package to help keep Larkin and Mantha off the table? He was good in the AHL but a bit undersized. He might fit with a team like the Sabres, though on the surface he's likely not much, if any, value now.

Better throw in Emmerton just to be sure...

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:13 PM

Myers for Larkin and Kindl? I call shenanigans. 

For one, Buffalo has a glut of talented centermen in the pipeline - Reinhart, Girgensons, Grigs, etc. Not that guys can't be shifted to the wing, but I assume they'd be looking for talented wingers at this point.

Second, just sending Kindl over wouldn't be enough to clear the space for Myers' 5.5 price tag. Unless I'm missing something, there would have to be another piece coming from Detroit. 



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:29 PM

Right now I think Myers is a bit better than Smith and Dekeyser.  I think that's going to change fairly soon though.  Given Myers' contract, I don't want him unless they're willing to take a ridiculously craptacular package in return, which they won't.
Did you know that Myers is younger than Smith and the same age as Dekeyser? If they have room to improve, why doesn't Myers?
Just a random thought. I know Adam Almquist went overseas, but if I recall correctly, the Wings still hold his rights. Is that a piece we could throw in to a package to help keep Larkin and Mantha off the table? He was good in the AHL but a bit undersized. He might fit with a team like the Sabres, though on the surface he's likely not much, if any, value now.
Better throw in Emmerton just to be sure...


Smith is also improving, I'm not sure Myers is.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:46 PM

Myers has more points in his career than Smith, DeKeyser, Kindl, and Lashoff COMBINED. In about half the number of games, too.

He had a down year during the lockout, but last year he scored .35 ppg, .21ppg, .42ppg, .46ppg, and .59ppg the years before. Thats pretty good, especially considering that he's spent his entire career on the undisputed worst team in the league.

Im not saying that he's the next Lidstrom, but to say that he is completely worthless is wrong.

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:56 PM

I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless... I'll speak for myself and say that he definitely is not worth that deal in my books.



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 05:11 PM

I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless... I'll speak for myself and say that he definitely is not worth that deal in my books.

This. In terms of objective value, it's probably not that far off, but with respect to the Red Wings' talent pool they need to keep all of the promising young centers they can. Outside of Datsyuk and Z, you hope that Sheahan has 2C upside, but after the it's kind of grim looking. Hopefully, one of Janmark, Athanasiou or Nosek can pan out, but I wouldn't want to ride on that. At wing we have Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Jurco, Pulkinen - on defense Ouellet, Sproul, Backman and Marchenko. Those all seem like more surefire bets to me than the aforementioned centers. I just don't think the team should deal from an area of weakness.


Edited by Jesusberg, 23 October 2014 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 05:39 PM

I don't think anyone is saying he's worthless... I'll speak for myself and say that he definitely is not worth that deal in my books.

Dickie said that he didn't want him unless Buffalo was willing to take out our garbage. That's severely undervaluing him.

 

 

This. In terms of objective value, it's probably not that far off, but with respect to the Red Wings' talent pool they need to keep all of the promising young centers they can. Outside of Datsyuk and Z, you hope that Sheahan has 2C upside, but after the it's kind of grim looking. Hopefully, one of Janmark, Athanasiou or Nosek can pan out, but I wouldn't want to ride on that. At wing we have Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Jurco, Pulkinen - on defense Ouellet, Sproul, Backman and Marchenko. Those all seem like more surefire bets to me than the aforementioned centers. I just don't think the team should deal from an area of weakness.

Regarding the center prospects, yea its a problem. But right now we have NHL centermen. We don't have a single right shooting offensive defenceman, a fact that Babcock has bemoaned for years. We do have an overabundance of dman prospects that look like they will for sure be NHL players someday, but not right now. We will have to trade at least one of them in the next two years or so because there simply isn't enough roster space for all of them. Why don't we trade our highly promising center prospect to address an urgent need now, and then use our highly promising defenceman prospects to address a POTENTIAL need later?



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 06:38 PM

Regarding the center prospects, yea its a problem. But right now we have NHL centermen. We don't have a single right shooting offensive defenceman, a fact that Babcock has bemoaned for years. We do have an overabundance of dman prospects that look like they will for sure be NHL players someday, but not right now. We will have to trade at least one of them in the next two years or so because there simply isn't enough roster space for all of them. Why don't we trade our highly promising center prospect to address an urgent need now, and then use our highly promising defenceman prospects to address a POTENTIAL need later?

 

From my perspective, I don't see Myers putting Detroit over the top in the next two years - maybe that's just me. Around that time, Sproul and Jensen should be on this team. I'm not sure the ceiling between Sproul and Myers is that far apart.

I agree that this team is going to have too many NHL caliber defenders (hopefully), and I think one or more should be packaged, but with a winger - not a center. Again, in terms of relative value, I feel as if Larkin is worth more to this team. I don't think you move two of Ouellet, Sproul, Backman, Marchenko and/or Jensen and get someone like Larkin back.

IMO, it would be poor asset management if Holland moved Larkin today, hoping that he can move one or more of those guys down the road for another center. Perhaps if this team was in a better position to win a cup, and Myers was a for-sure impact defender, I'd make the move. At this point, I think Larkin's perceived value to this team is greater than Myers' immediate value. Just my take on it.


Edited by Jesusberg, 23 October 2014 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 06:46 PM

If he didn't have that contract I'd be more interested. I don't care if he has a bunch of points, I don't see him that good in his own end, and I don't like d who are weak defensively. I also don't like that he's missed so much time the last 3 years. He's just too much of a gamble to trade a lot for him with all the young D the Wings have already.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 24 October 2014 - 12:51 PM

Kindl is totally gone this year or this offseason. 

 

I think Ericsson and Quincey will have to go soon as well.

 

Ouellet can't stay in GR next year it just can't happen and Marchenko/Backman/Sproul/Jensen will all be pushing next season too. 

 

I wonder if upgrading Kindl to Ericsson and downgrading Larkin to Pulkkinen would be enough in addition to a 2nd.

 

Myers for Ericsson, Pulkkinen, 2nd.

 

Then we waive Kindl and bring up Ouellet. 

 

Kronwall Myers

Smith DD

Ouellet Quincey

 

This offseason we dump Quincey and Lashoff to make room for 2 of Sproul/Jensen/Marchenko/Backman.


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 24 October 2014 - 03:21 PM

As already mentioned, with Smith and Nyquist up for new contracts, I'm not sure how we can fit Myers under the cap. Unless we can get rid of Kindl and Weiss's contracts, we've don't have room.


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Posted 24 October 2014 - 06:29 PM

It seems like Buffalo was initally asking for Mantha AND Nyquist.... 😃
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Posted 27 October 2014 - 03:22 AM

It seems like Buffalo was initally asking for Mantha AND Nyquist....

AHAHAHAHAH! f*** THEM


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 02:57 PM

It seems like Buffalo was initally asking for Mantha AND Nyquist.... 😃


Sounds like they had been into Jay and Silent Bob's stash in a big way.
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