• Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

Andy Pred 48

UFA day looking up

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

Well - that article isn't factual - it's St.James opinion.

Holland IMHO is still in the hunt for Niskanen, and paying that much for Boyle leaves me scratching my head (although it is a short term deal).

Ofcourse it makes sense. He's in the twilight of his career, ie perfect Holland bait.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Weiss and Alfie were good signings. Cleary was a fustercluck, but I can understand why due to his playoffs the year before, even if I disliked it. The Bert, Sammy, and Tootoo signings were from the year before and aren't considered in my eval of last seasons FA period.

If Cleary played like he did in the playoff run, Weiss was healthy and put up 50-60 points, and Alfie's back didn't flare up we'd all likely be singing his praises. Up front, it was a decent effort.

Agreed. I don't put much stock in st. James. she gets it wrong a lot.

Not a fan of St. James at all. I'm hoping the front office is using her as a smokescreen to disguise their real intentions. Either that, or she's being her usual hack self.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If someone told Helen St. James that the Wings were going to sign Ted Lindsay, she'd run the story without a second thought. She'd regale us with theories about how "in the right role...", or "on Datsyuk's wing...", or "age doesn't affect hockey sense...".

It's like her entire identity is at stake should Ken Holland's player acquisition strategy be thought unsuccessful. Apparently, once Red Wings fans ever decide that loading up the team with declining veterans is a bad idea, the house of cards will tumble.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wouldn't mind having Niskanen in Detroit, but he'll want $6-7 mil per year and he's just not worth that kind of money. He's worth maybe $5 mil tops. His offensive numbers were a little up this year, but remember he's passing the puck to Crosby and Malkin all season, he should have at least 30 assists. Before that, his numbers were nothing special. This has Brian Campbell Part II written all over it. Someone will pay him $7 mil per year and his play won't be worth that much and next summer or the year after that, they'll be trading him to some bottom feeder looking to make the cap floor.

I don't like Holland's inactivity as much as the next person, but Niskanen is going to want more than he's worth and Holland is smart not to pay it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wouldn't mind having Niskanen in Detroit, but he'll want $6-7 mil per year and he's just not worth that kind of money. He's worth maybe $5 mil tops. His offensive numbers were a little up this year, but remember he's passing the puck to Crosby and Malkin all season, he should have at least 30 assists. Before that, his numbers were nothing special. This has Brian Campbell Part II written all over it. Someone will pay him $7 mil per year and his play won't be worth that much and next summer or the year after that, they'll be trading him to some bottom feeder looking to make the cap floor.

I don't like Holland's inactivity as much as the next person, but Niskanen is going to want more than he's worth and Holland is smart not to pay it.

That's definitely a possibility. The other possibility is that he's a really good defenseman who's numbers are increasing because he's just entering his prime.

Either way it beats signing a 38 year old declining veteran. One who scored 36 pts. on a top six offensive team. And who was -8 (the only defenseman on their team with a minus) on a top five defense. Normally I don't put a lot of stock in plus/minus. But the only people on that team with a worse plus/minus were fourth liners playing less than 13:00 a game. Not a single other defender was a minus.

36 pts. and -8 is not that great, and it's only going to get worse considering Detroit is worse than San Jose offensively AND defensively.

And we'll play 5.5 million dollars a year to get it.

I cannot stress how stupid signing Boyle is.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think right now he's worth about $5.5, but if the cap continues to rise, even at $6.75-7.25 million, if he produces, he'll be overpaid early in the term but a bargain by the end, in some ways like the Kronwall and/or Ericsson contracts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

...again, Boyle would be fine as long as there is another key signed or traded for...Niskanen and Boyle, Myers and Boyle, Erhoff and Boyle...pricey, but that would be a good day for the Wings. If they could squeeze an Iginla in there with it, that's cool too. Of course, today I really don't know what is gonna happen, might even get better than what I said! Who knows??!!? Could be Quincey... then I am over it, Holland will be deemed brain dead, because using the kids is far better than re-signing Quincey.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Look, even if you sign Boyle and Volchenkov/Strahlman you've improved and padded the defense. Boyle is incredibly smart and might be able to teach Brendan Smith the RIGHT time to jump into a play as he does it so well. Add any two of those guys to Kronner and The Big E and Smith, Dekeyser and Kindl and that's not bad at all.

With as young as the Wings have become the last couple years I'd be happy to add Iginla on a wing and Boyle on the back end for a 1 or 2 year deal.

IMHO

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

may I stress IMO, the better day would be TWO defensemen, not ONE and ONE forward. Address the pressing need at D..and then if money is left on the table, get a FWD...not named Alfie...

I would still LOVE to see Chicago buy out Hossa (if that is still an option) and have Holland re-sign him. Meh, one can dream...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I still don't get why people are so nervous about Niskanen. Sure he played with Crosby and Malkin. But here he'd be feeding Datsyuk, Franzen and Zetterberg (who may have a career year now that he is healthy). And maybe playing with Kronwall, one of the better offensive d-men in the league.

If there's any player you take a risk on, its a steadily improving guy entering his prime years. Not a guy who was discarded by a good team for being half the player he once was (Boyle).

Boyle reminds me of a depth signing, like Colaiacovo. Only it sounds like we want to pay him way more.

Sure, short term is nice, but what if our young guys plateau below their potential and Niskanen continues to improve? We will have missed out on that chance and will go through the whole overpay thing in two or three years.

I'm not sold on the kids being prime level contributors in two years.

Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NJ Wing....Kindl is a must subtraction...we cannot move forward with K or Q on this team. Lashoff, for what he is getting paid, is a far better #7 guy. We could use Kindl's $2.4M cap hit as well.

Oh I know he's on the block as it were but for now he's on the roster and helping fill it out.

I've seen worse defensemen. Took Big E a while to mature as I recall.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think TB and Stevie might be the team to watch this off season. He seems to be making some moves that might result in a big signing.

The Red Wings need more then just a top 4 d man to be considered real contenders. Does this make KH's that much harder? I believe it does. We are not the sign with us and we will win you the cup team anymore. KH will have to pay full value or above value to land the big free agents he used to get for cents on the dollar. It will be interesting

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NJ Wing....Kindl is a must subtraction...we cannot move forward with K or Q on this team. Lashoff, for what he is getting paid, is a far better #7 guy. We could use Kindl's $2.4M cap hit as well.

I agree. Kindl is as good as gone, but I think I read from Khan the other day (sorry I don't have the quote or the link right now) that he won't be gone until the end of camp really, because there's no demand for him right now. Once we get to the pre-season and all the teams see what they have, then we might see him shipped out, or waived.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's just when Captain Cut-n-Paste copies a St. Lame article. 80% of a Malik post is him copying a legit reporter.

She's definitely a hack, there's not doubt about that.

However, I think Malik's most annoying habit is how he pretends to have some special rapport with the Red Wings organization, and then gets all huffy puffy when people call him out for being a dude sitting at a computer. He acts like he's a personal guest of the Holland family on all the high holidays.

Yeah, that and just plain making crap up. The last time I actually read his crap he said that Devellano said something and cut-n-pasted a Khan interview where Devellano said nothing remotely like that. When I blasted him for lying he said something to the effect of "you have to read between the lines, he meant what I said, not what he said."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Boyle hate is hilarious. Our blue line generates no offense, can't break out of its zone, can't run an effective power play - but yeah, there's absolutely no reason why we should be interested in Rafalski-esque Dan Boyle. At the very least, he'd give as an actual power play. You know what would've helped our cause against the Bruins? An actual power play. You know what would've helped our cause against the Bruins? Better puck management, a stronger possession game. Boyle would help on those fronts.

Niskanen - he's worth overpaying, because the need is that great, because our blue line is that bad. You may overpay by a couple million, but you're getting what you need, which is a right-shooting power play quarterback in his prime who weighs 200 lbs and isn't afraid to throw his weight around. And with the cap going up every year, there's a good chance that it looks like a great deal in a couple years. We can't be too picky here.

If we don't add a high-end top-four defenseman, we have absolutely no shot at competing for the Cup. None whatsoever. We have Kronwall, two pretty good defensive defensemen, and Brendan Smith (who's 50/50 in re: whether he's going to put it together before he becomes a reclamation project). That's it. We'll be incredibly fortunate if any one of the kids ever becomes as good as Niskanen is now or even as good as Boyle is now. Talk about risk - going with the kids would be the ultimate risk, if money alone could get us a big name who could really help (and that happens to be the case here).

Get Niskanen or Boyle and we'll be a much better team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Boyle hate is hilarious. Our blue line generates no offense, can't break out of its zone, can't run an effective power play - but yeah, there's absolutely no reason why we should be interested in Rafalski-esque Dan Boyle. At the very least, he'd give as an actual power play. You know what would've helped our cause against the Bruins? An actual power play. You know what would've helped our cause against the Bruins? Better puck management, a stronger possession game. Boyle would help on those fronts.

Niskanen - he's worth overpaying, because the need is that great, because our blue line is that bad. You may overpay by a couple million, but you're getting what you need, which is a right-shooting power play quarterback in his prime who weighs 200 lbs and isn't afraid to throw his weight around. And with the cap going up every year, there's a good chance that it looks like a great deal in a couple years. We can't be too picky here.

If we don't add a high-end top-four defenseman, we have absolutely no shot at competing for the Cup. None whatsoever. We have Kronwall, two pretty good defensive defensemen, and Brendan Smith (who's 50/50 in re: whether he's going to put it together before he becomes a reclamation project). That's it. We'll be incredibly fortunate if any one of the kids ever becomes as good as Niskanen is now or even as good as Boyle is now. Talk about risk - going with the kids would be the ultimate risk, if money alone could get us a big name who could really help (and that happens to be the case here).

Get Niskanen or Boyle and we'll be a much better team.

I have said many times before, some posters have self entitlement that they think they should get who they request and when they don't they whine about it for weeks. I won't mention any names because I wouldn't want to get another 'warning post' lol.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

perfect day would be wings sign D Dan Boyle Niskanen and F Iglina than we could move to contenders but ilike Boyle and I am not going to freak out if we don't get him or even niskanen or iglina would it be great of course but realsticly I believe in this team we showed we can do some damage at the right set up and getting a good top 4 would excel us to cup contention getting a goal scorer as well would make as a def contender but im not shelfish

Edited by sjr2012

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now