signed Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

[Richdg 267]

Some thoughts.

1. LOL!

2. I can handle not landing any UFA's. That is always a crap shoot. You can wine and dine those guys, throw lots of years and money at them, and they still may go somewhere else.

3. BUT resigning Qunicey? Terrible.

4. Holland needs to make a major move by August 1 to flip this around.

5. Those expecting us to be better because "we are healthy", please wake up and join the real world. We haven't been healthy in 3 seasons now. Most of the same old and injury prone players are coming back. Man games lost will not change much.

6. The last 3 years have produced worse winning % each year. 11/12 we won 43 games, just over 50%. in 12/13 we won 24-50%, this last season we won 39 just under 50%. That is trending the wrong way.

[b.shanafan14 733]

This is a nightmare on so many levels...not only to we not upgrade, but bringing back Quincey ON THE FIRST DAY OF FA is the single worst knee-jerk panic signing I've seen, even for post-2009 Holland. At a raise under the lower salary cap (compared to his last deal) this is another head-scratcher, and reeks of desperation.

Compared to every other defenseman signing yesterday, this is far and away the worst with regard to player and cap-hit. I know it was early in the day and we were still waiting to hear from Niskanen (despite reports that the Wings were told he wasn't interest), but we literally said "no thanks" to Tom Gilbert and his 28pts -5 playing with Florida at half the price of Quincey's 13pts -5. Its like the twilight zone in here...

The cap-hit is ridiculous when you look at nearly every other signing, D G or F signed yesterday, but the 2 year term also means we'll have Sproul and Oullet climbing over worthless bodies to find a roster spot, just like Tatar and Nyquist. After we missed out on Boyle, Ehrhoff, Niskanen, Gilbert, Stralman, even I was saying stand pat, our team will be better with health and further development of the kids up front, and I find it hard to believe Sproul/Oullet could be worse on their entry-level contract than Quincey or other Plan C options at any price. This is exactly the deal that Holland pulls every summer and it NEVER pans out. Signing something, anything is not a solution.

[kipwinger 8,520]

Some thoughts.

1. LOL!

2. I can handle not landing any UFA's. That is always a crap shoot. You can wine and dine those guys, throw lots of years and money at them, and they still may go somewhere else.

3. BUT resigning Qunicey? Terrible.

4. Holland needs to make a major move by August 1 to flip this around.

5. Those expecting us to be better because "we are healthy", please wake up and join the real world. We haven't been healthy in 3 seasons now. Most of the same old and injury prone players are coming back. Man games lost will not change much.

6. The last 3 years have produced worse winning % each year. 11/12 we won 43 games, just over 50%. in 12/13 we won 24-50%, this last season we won 39 just under 50%. That is trending the wrong way.

We consistently become less and less competitive, and yet, pundits like Malik are blaming the state of Joe Louis Arena. Unbelievable.

As I've said a thousand times. Please, Ken Holland, don't do something stupid to make this worse. You're already a huge embarrassing failure. Losing Tatar or Jurco in a lopsided panic move is only going to make it worse.

Don't bring anyone else in, don't over think things, don't kick tires or pick up the phone. Just give the remaining spots to Ryan Sproul and Mantha, and in a couple years (despite your best efforts) we should be respectable again (under head coach Jeff Blashill).

[Ekmanc 586]

This really makes Holland seem like a panicking idiot with no plan.

I would looooooove to hear Babcock's thoughts on this situation.

[WorkingOvertime 536]

This is a nightmare on so many levels...not only to we not upgrade, but bringing back Quincey ON THE FIRST DAY OF FA is the single worst knee-jerk panic signing I've seen, even for post-2009 Holland. At a raise under the lower salary cap (compared to his last deal) this is another head-scratcher, and reeks of desperation.

Compared to every other defenseman signing yesterday, this is far and away the worst with regard to player and cap-hit. I know it was early in the day and we were still waiting to hear from Niskanen (despite reports that the Wings were told he wasn't interest), but we literally said "no thanks" to Tom Gilbert and his 28pts -5 playing with Florida at half the price of Quincey's 13pts -5. Its like the twilight zone in here...

The cap-hit is ridiculous when you look at nearly every other signing, D G or F signed yesterday, but the 2 year term also means we'll have Sproul and Oullet climbing over worthless bodies to find a roster spot, just like Tatar and Nyquist. After we missed out on Boyle, Ehrhoff, Niskanen, Gilbert, Stralman, even I was saying stand pat, our team will be better with health and further development of the kids up front, and I find it hard to believe Sproul/Oullet could be worse on their entry-level contract than Quincey or other Plan C options at any price. This is exactly the deal that Holland pulls every summer and it NEVER pans out. Signing something, anything is not a solution.

While I don't agree with re-signing Q- I wanted to promote from within when the Wings missed out on the best UFAs- Engelland at 3yrs/2.9m and Orpik at 5yrs/5.5m are much worse.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

This really makes Holland seem like a panicking idiot with no plan.

I would looooooove to hear Babcock's thoughts on this situation.

Imagine the sound of his voice when he ripped the team another one during one 24/7 special and than multiply it 2 times and add some glass shattering...that might come close to what he is really thinking right now.

Edited July 2, 2014 by frankgrimes

[Shaman 713]

Well as I said before, he would panic and sign KFQ and I would call him Ken Doll for the rest of time.

In related news a leaked picture from Ken Doll's last physical:

[kylee 727]

Quincey and Ericsson have the same cap hit. Ok....

[Shinzaki 72]

Quincey was NOT the "worst player on last year's blueline". Far from it...he was actually very solid the 2nd half of the year defensively. Lashoff and Kindl were worse...much much worse. Kindl took a giant step backward last year.

[sjr2012 439]

something big has to be coming I feel like the worst case has been done so now all we can do is get something big in return either a power score or a trade for a number 1 d

[RyanBarnes! 293]

This is right on.

Ken Holland took a giant dump yesterday, and when everyone rejected what he's done to the Wings... He goes and throws an insane amount of money at the worst player on last year's blue line.

That's right, instead of letting the absolutely worst defenceman on the team go, he gave him a huge raise in hopes that the extra cash would magically make him a better player.

Genius move by KH.

Kindl was the worst defenseman on the team last year.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Have we gotten to the point where keeping Kyle Quincey is justified by comparing him to a first round bust and 7th d-man? The only reason Quincey gets credit for having a stronger second half of the season is because his first half was such an absolute disaster, anything was going to look like an improvement. I remember a couple games alone early in the season where Quincey turnovers led directly to the Wings losing games. So maybe Quincey cut down on those in the second half, but he still provided nothing offensively and took 88 minutes worth of penalties because he isn't good defensively either and/or he's not very smart on the ice.

On top of this, Kyle Quincey got a raise. Just because he showed up every night and was less of a catastrophe for part of a season. Nor does Quincey address any of the Wings issues defensively, being he's not right-handed and doesn't move the puck well (unless you count to the other team.) In addition, to no other team having a serious interest in Quincey through the first six hours of free agency being open.

Complete panic move for the sake of Holland saying he tried and this was his solution for "something" when "nothing" was actually the best course of action.

[evilmrt 636]

Have we gotten to the point where keeping Kyle Quincey is justified by comparing him to a first round bust and 7th d-man? The only reason Quincey gets credit for having a stronger second half of the season is because his first half was such an absolute disaster, anything was going to look like an improvement. I remember a couple games alone early in the season where Quincey turnovers led directly to the Wings losing games. So maybe Quincey cut down on those in the second half, but he still provided nothing offensively and took 88 minutes worth of penalties because he isn't good defensively either and/or he's not very smart on the ice.

On top of this, Kyle Quincey got a raise. Just because he showed up every night and was less of a catastrophe for part of a season. Nor does Quincey address any of the Wings issues defensively, being he's not right-handed and doesn't move the puck well (unless you count to the other team.) In addition, to no other team having a serious interest in Quincey through the first six hours of free agency being open.

Complete panic move for the sake of Holland saying he tried and this was his solution for "something" when "nothing" was actually the best course of action.

But but but... Kindl was even worse!

[ben_usmc 253]

Anyone else find it funny that the Quincey signing has yet to be posted on FB or twitter? Ken Holland = Joe D

This really makes Holland seem like a panicking idiot with no plan.

I would looooooove to hear Babcock's thoughts on this situation.

Babcock is probably pissed that Q took so much money, because it then will cut into Clearys 5 year $9 million dollar offer Babcock is fighting to get his little pet.

[kipwinger 8,520]

Anyone else find it funny that the Quincey signing has yet to be posted on FB or twitter? Ken Holland = Joe D

Speaking of which, is #KenHollandisaf*ckup trending on Twitter yet?

[b.shanafan14 733]

I'll say this: Holland did as well as he could with his offers to other FA that chose to go elsewhere - besides maybe Gilbert which could have been a cheap improvement and still left room for the top-2 or -4 defenseman we were seeking. Despite his compounded failure to "nut-up" in previous off-seasons, I honestly believe he did all within his power to get the players we needed this off-season (given the current sad state of the team, which is his doing). If they don't want to come here, you can't force them and shouldn't grossly overpay them.

However, there is absolutely ZERO excuse for the Quincey signing. That is disappointment turning into full-blown, unavoidable, mature, objective, and justified RAGE. Holland did what he always does when he misses out on his target: slaps some tape and shoe-polish on trash and tries to pass it off as a "bargain" or a "consolation prize". We aren't getting the sirloin because they ran out of prime rib; we've been fed a steady diet of cold spam. For that, Holland should be replaced.

[LeftWinger 4,951]

I don't think it is going to happen, as a matter of fact I am 99% sure it won't, but if we couldn't get anyone for free yesterday, he could still trade Kindl for a pick (7th or futures) and promote one of the kids full time. I know he has made Detroit the LAST place anyone wants to come to, but even with that being known now, I would have been a bit ok with going with the straight up kids and not re-signing #KFQ.

BTW, if #KFQ is worth (in #firekenholland mind) $4.25M what the heck is Diesel going to get? He could become the highest paid defenseman on the team...he is leaps better than #KFQ.

[kipwinger 8,520]

Kudos to Quincey's agent by the way. Seriously. How he managed to get his client a raise is beyond me.

You know who I feel bad for? Kyle Quincey. I know he's not that good, and I know that he should be playing for someone else, and I know that he's now getting drastically overpaid. But you can't blame him for signing the contract. He just wants to play hockey. But because Holland was such a massive failure yesterday, Quincey is back, and now any little mistake he makes will be magnified 2000% because people are (justifiably) pissed off.

Final thought: How funny is it that the story prior to free agency was "The Wings would like to re-sign Kyle Quincey but it's believed he'll seek a raise on the open market". The irony is killing me.

[derblaueClaus 1,668]

This is how I see it: This 1st July is a big clusterf*** for us. There have to be serious problems within the Organisation if a team like the Caps got choosen over us. These Problems have to be analysed and adressed by Kenny and/or the Ownership. However I don't think these problems can be solved this Offseason.

Because of this I think the signing of Quincy is not ideal but reasonable. We were simply in need of a D-Man not named Kindl or Lashoff. Can anybody imagine how atricious a second (!) paring of DeKeyser/Lashoff would be? And to think that the Kids in GR would step up and fill the gap is very optimistic. It does work with exceptional gifted guys like DeKeyser, others need their time to get used to the NHL. Playing constantly on the second pair is asking to much of the guys.

Quincy is a stopgap for these 2 years to get these Kids ready, nothing more. Holland knows that, he knows that. There is no other reason why his contract is how it is.To assume Holland signed him as the solution for our problems is an insult to his intelligence. Holland signed him because he had no choice and Quincy was willing to play the patch for the next two years.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Even if Holland would have managed to sign a free agent defenseman like Niskanen or Boyle, I'm not entirely convinced he would not have re-signed Quincey.

[sjr2012 439]

right and with guys like morris and del zotto still out there maybe his looking to move kindl and lashoff to solidify some better depth id be ok with this

Kronwall Big E

Smith DD

Q Del Zotto

Sproul

than you have at least a good backup in Sproul and possibly can move him up to Qs spot if he is the worst one to go with every night

[Internet.Unknown 422]

From Puck Daddy article on Yahoo. Full read at http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/puck-daddy-power-rankings--free-agent-winners-and-losers-edition-154852827.html

5. The lure of playing for the legendary Detroit Red Wings

There was a time when all you heard about was the mystique of Detroit. What an organization and so on. They could just get free agents by snapping their fingers and casually mentioning that they might like to sign them.

Oh, how times have changed. Here's the sum total of Detroit's signings on Day 1, as of about 7:30 p.m. on the East Coast: Kevin Porter and Kyle Quincey. (And they had to give Quincey $4.25 million a year because the bartender turned on all the lights and told everyone to go home.)

As they did in the Ryan Suter/Zach Parise sweepstakes, it was a big ol' swing and a miss from Ken Holland as every available free agent you'd actually be excited to sign said thanks but no thanks to wearing the Winged Wheel and being the guy holding the wheel when the team finally missed the playoffs for the first time in a century.

Matt Niskanen, Dan Boyle, Anton Stralman. All of em passed. They couldn't even lock down Stephane Robidas, and that guy's 37 and just broke his leg.

The sun's going down on the days of the Red Wings being a model franchise, and with Datsyuk and Zetterberg starting to wind down a bit, you can't imagine darkness is going to take too much longer to fall unless this team realizes its actual shortcomings.

People don't want to play for teams because they're good organizations. They want to play for teams that will either pay them way more than they're worth or give them a chance to win (or both). Detroit simply doesn't provide the latter now that Nicklas Lidstrom is gone.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

I don't disagree with the premise of that article, but Ryan Lambert has bashed the Wings at every opportunity for years. He's a Blackhawks slappy that somehow got a job pretending to be an objective writer for Yahoo. I knew who had written that article just by reading the part posted without even opening the link.

Lambert is a clown. Helene St. James never finds anything wrong with the Red Wings and Lambert never sees anything right. Both are hacks.

[Shaman 713]

I don't disagree with the premise of that article, but Ryan Lambert has bashed the Wings at every opportunity for years. He's a Blackhawks slappy that somehow got a job pretending to be an objective writer for Yahoo. I knew who had written that article just by reading the part posted without even opening the link.

Lambert is a clown. Helene St. James never finds anything wrong with the Red Wings and Lambert never sees anything right. Both are hacks.

Problem is that this article hit a bit too close to home for my tastes...

[Internet.Unknown 422]

I don't disagree with the premise of that article, but Ryan Lambert has bashed the Wings at every opportunity for years. He's a Blackhawks slappy that somehow got a job pretending to be an objective writer for Yahoo. I knew who had written that article just by reading the part posted without even opening the link.

Lambert is a clown. Helene St. James never finds anything wrong with the Red Wings and Lambert never sees anything right. Both are hacks.

When your (in this case, the Wings) biggest critics are right about you, it's time to reevaluate what you're doing.