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TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

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Tough to disagree with the OP. Our defence is brutal. Kronwall's still great, but there were times were he looked awful. He needs a much better year. Smith had a great end to the season and I hope he keeps it up. Obviously big E big is a plus. Dekeyser's got bags of potential, time to start seeing it. Not even going to discuss our D past this games.

And of course if any of our top 4 goes down, it gets really bad.

Howard needs to show he can be better. Not impressed whatsoever last year. If he repeats last years form, we are in big trouble. No guarantee Monster is going to be as reliable as he was last year.

When our offence struggles to score, we don't have the players to grind it out, that's part of the issue. Keep the kid line together, stick Goose with Weiss, and hope that Arizona will take Franzen and Kindl for Yandle.

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LA were the number 6 seed in the west this year. 2 years before that they were the number 8 seed.

The point I'm making is, if you're roster is good enough to make the playoffs right now, why blow it up, because as we've seen, anything can happen. If you looked at the Rangers roster before the season began, and even after they traded for St Louis, would you still have picked them to beat Pittsburgh?

This team is good enough to make the playoffs. And if anyone thinks that making the playoffs even if only to play 5 games is less valuable for the young kids experience than missing them completely, then you want your head testing.

Last season, there were a few mistakes early that were costing us, and then the injury bug hit like Ive never seen. You cannot lose key players for extended periods like that an expect to keep competing, yet somehow we did. All of that experience is frankly, invaluable, such that when Pavel and hank come back healthy they'll be able to lead the way, and our kids last year will be able to provide depth and secondary scoring that every team needs to win.

a few things. Bringing up LA's a tough one. First, it's the west. La would have been 2nd/3rd in the East. Second, LA started to get this good by being absolutely terrible for years. So did Chicago. So did Pittsburgh. Washington tried the same thing.

Obviously we're a better team right now then the Hawks,Pens,Kings,Caps were in their bad years, but at some point it's probably going to happen to us. And i'll take that, if we get a player like McDavid out of the deal.

I don't believe for a second we're going to tank this year, but I also don't believe we're going to be anywhere close to battling for the divison. We'll be in a race for 6th-10th like we were this year.

I think the big question is, at what point does Management make a BIG move? Defence has been getting worse for years now. Nothing's been done. Yes we may have tried to sign some free agents, and failed miserably, but hey, we are allowed to make trades too. Pull the trigger on something. It's not going to magically improve here.

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I think the big question is, at what point does Management make a BIG move? Defence has been getting worse for years now. Nothing's been done. Yes we may have tried to sign some free agents, and failed miserably, but hey, we are allowed to make trades too. Pull the trigger on something. It's not going to magically improve here.

I believe that we should promote from within. Everyone wants to give the kids a shot. We have legitimate defensemen in the system that could play in the NHL. If we don't give them a chance, then someone else will. The "big" move may very well be promoting the kids, which is a change over what we have seen in the past. Everyone wants to see Holland play the kids and stop keeping them in the farm system to over-ripen. Yet, when he puts the kids in a position to take a spot, people get all pissy at Holland. I suppose its a no win situation.

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Maybe a non-star UFA signing gives us a better chance at seeing Mantha in the Wheel this season. That's at least something.

I think the Babs/KH regime is on its last legs. Holland has been lame since Bowman left and Babs leaned so hard on Nick that he looks just average with an average roster. And don't bring up Team Canada and gold medals. That is an all-star team and coaches don't win those games. He is an average coach at best who got lucky with the Ducks and got his value overblown.

New coach and a new GM will give us new results. May miss the playoffs a couple times after Z and Dats leave, but our young core + Mantha looks very promising. Still need to get a righty on the D and get bigger overall, but we are not a 10th place team right now in the East. Plus, there is always the trade deadline where we may get to cut some obvious dead weight (Q, probably Cleary, Franzen, etc).

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I believe that we should promote from within. Everyone wants to give the kids a shot. We have legitimate defensemen in the system that could play in the NHL. If we don't give them a chance, then someone else will. The "big" move may very well be promoting the kids, which is a change over what we have seen in the past. Everyone wants to see Holland play the kids and stop keeping them in the farm system to over-ripen. Yet, when he puts the kids in a position to take a spot, people get all pissy at Holland. I suppose its a no win situation.

^I agree with this point of view mostly. I am fine with the over-ripening strategy for the most part but, sometimes there is an exception to the rules. I am most certainly in the camp that want to see us make the playoffs. Yes, even if we fall in the 1st round. Tanking is at best a gamble with low odds of success and also just is an unclassy thing to do.

If Weiss can turn it around (yes an IF), Z's back is finally healed (yes Another IF, but I think this one is a better bet), and we move Kindl (my choice) or Lashoff to make some room for Ouellet or Marchenko. Then we could very well again be one of the darkhorse teams heading into the playoffs next year. It'd be nice if Smith either gets moved too or learns how to think for himself :-/ but, I'd put much lower odds of either of those things happening then the above..

Yes, I wish we could of landed that 1 year deal for Ehrhoff and cut Q out, but we didn't. s*** Happens, deal with it instead of whinning about it like some Penguins or OSU fan..

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Young guys had to step up HUGE at the end of last year. Nyquist isn't going to score every game when teams start keying in on him because Hank & Pavs are out with injury. The kids are gamers. They will infuse drive in the rest of the team and we should be much better with them all starting on the same page together at camp.

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Don't re-sign Alfie, don't re-sign Cleary, bring up Mantha, keep Jurco up and find a way to insert Athaniesou into the line up to play on a line with Helm, and label this guy excited. July 1st made me want to hurl all over Kenny especially after signing Q again, but there's a lot to be excited about in the future for Wings fans. Not necessarily next season, but the future still looks bright. And we actually have a better opening night lineup than last season as of now, so there's a plus.

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I think Mantha should be given every opportunity to make this team in the top 6. He needs looks early on. Jurco should start the season where he ended it - kid line.

Mantha needs to learn how to play in the pros first. It would be great if he comes into camp and preseason and sets the world on fire. But he is going from playing against teenagers younger than him to playing against men. He will need to adjust to that.

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Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings? Damn right I would.

"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything. The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second.

Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams. Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule. Talent doesn't always translate into wins. There is much more to it than that.

No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time.

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Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings? Damn right I would.

"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything. The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second.

Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams. Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule. Talent doesn't always translate into wins. There is much more to it than that.

No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time.

Pretty much, however that's too down to earth for this forum so: WRONG, HOLLAND SUCKS

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Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings? Damn right I would.

"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything. The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second.

Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams. Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule. Talent doesn't always translate into wins. There is much more to it than that.

No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time.

We have 23 straight playoffs appearances and 4 cups in that time.

The Bruins made the playoffs 29 straight times and won 2 cups in that time

Blackhawks had 28 straight playoffs appearances and 0 cups in that time

The blues 25 straight. 0 cups

Canadiens 24 straight. 8 cups

Every other one is below us in playoffs streaks. So aside from Montreal and their unreal streak I would say our playoff streak and cup wins in that time is right up there and better than anyone but Montreal. So Ya we've stumbled a bit recently but we've done well for ourselves.

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We have 23 straight playoffs appearances and 4 cups in that time.

The Bruins made the playoffs 29 straight times and won 2 cups in that time

Blackhawks had 28 straight playoffs appearances and 0 cups in that time

The blues 25 straight. 0 cups

Canadiens 24 straight. 8 cups

Every other one is below us in playoffs streaks. So aside from Montreal and their unreal streak I would say our playoff streak and cup wins in that time is right up there and better than anyone but Montreal. So Ya we've stumbled a bit recently but we've done well for ourselves.

Can u even see ur keyboard through those rose colored spectacles?

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No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.

The Oates trade was definitely worse.

Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.

Don't forget Adam Graves, Klima and Sharples for Jimmy Carson.

The Wings don't have a great track record when it comes to trading guys named Adam.

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A real fan never encourages tanking. Your plan is to having the team tank, so you can check out, not follow the team for a 5-10 year period, and then when they have rebuilt, you can casually come walking back in and claim you predicted this, and this is YOUR team, and you're the biggest Wings fan of all time.

I call BS. Go follow the NBA if you want to be a fan of a team that Tanks. In the NHL, people respect hard work and history.

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A real fan never encourages tanking. Your plan is to having the team tank, so you can check out, not follow the team for a 5-10 year period, and then when they have rebuilt, you can casually come walking back in and claim you predicted this, and this is YOUR team, and you're the biggest Wings fan of all time.

I call BS. Go follow the NBA if you want to be a fan of a team that Tanks. In the NHL, people respect hard work and history.

I'm not really advocating tanking, but it worked pretty well for Pittsburgh and Chicago. The structure of the league just lends better to a compete rebuild than getting stuck in mediocrity. The Calgary Flames are the perfect example.

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I'm not really advocating tanking, but it worked pretty well for Pittsburgh and Chicago. The structure of the league just lends better to a compete rebuild than getting stuck in mediocrity. The Calgary Flames are the perfect example.

It also worked terribly for Edmonton and Columbus. Tanking is a last resort that too many ppl are overly eager to see. It's the big fish/name mentality. Either get a big name through trade draft or FA or they will be unhappy. Wings r smarter than that.

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