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#21 Internet.Unknown

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:49 AM

The blind head in the sand defense in here is astounding.

Fine guys, so you're all pretty much saying if we make the playoffs and lose the same way as this season, you will be happy.

Nice to see how easily satisfied you are.

 

I want a Red Wings rebuild. That being said, "head in the sand" is thinking that the Wings will tank. Say it all you want, shout it on every message board, but the management and ownership want to keep the streak alive. Ignore this fact all you want; that won't make it less true.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:51 AM

The blind head in the sand defense in here is astounding.

Fine guys, so you're all pretty much saying if we make the playoffs and lose the same way as this season, you will be happy.

Nice to see how easily satisfied you are.

 

We aren't Cup contenders right now. Signing Niskanen or Boyle wouldn't have changed that at all. They would've helped, but they wouldn't have put us over the top. So yes, I would love to still see us make the playoffs even if we do lose in the 1st round, but give me Pav on two legs...not just one, a healthy Z, and healthy Big E in that series and things might've been a little different. We might not have won but I don't think we would've lost 4-1. Not to mention our kids are getting valuable playoff experience. Sure as hell beats missing the playoffs all together. So what if we get a pick 3-4 picks lower than what we would've had? We aren't tanking. It's not going to happen.  Pardon me if I have realistic expectations.  :confused:



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:53 AM

 
I want a Red Wings rebuild. That being said, "head in the sand" is thinking that the Wings will tank. Say it all you want, shout it on every message board, but the management and ownership want to keep the streak alive. Ignore this fact all you want; that won't make it less true.


Oh I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying I (and hopefully others) will go through next season wanting as many losses as possible to get a high pick and influence management changes.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:59 AM

What is wrong with you people?
 
You cannot and will not be in a position to compete for the Stanley Cup every year in a hard capped system.  If you are lucky enough to make the playoffs every year in between then that's what you have to be excited about.
 
Plus the emergence of a very young core of players, who (even if only one) can turn into a superstar this season. You also have Mantha, Pulkinen, and 2-3 AHL Defenseman who look very promising already. If Kenny HAD to sign Boyle or Niskanen because we had no OTHER alternatives he would have jacked the offers, but he probably knows a bit more than we do about who we have coming up and wants to atleast give them a try


You don't sign Kyle Quincey then if you are willing to give the prospects on defense a try. Holland keeps contradicting himself in that regard. His words always claim he believes in the kids and they are ready, yet every move he makes says otherwise.
 
 
"To whom much is given, much is expected."
 
 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 11:59 AM

 

We aren't Cup contenders right now. Signing Niskanen or Boyle wouldn't have changed that at all. They would've helped, but they wouldn't have put us over the top. So yes, I would love to still see us make the playoffs even if we do lose in the 1st round, but give me Pav on two legs...not just one, a healthy Z, and healthy Big E in that series and things might've been a little different. We might not have won but I don't think we would've lost 4-1. Not to mention our kids are getting valuable playoff experience. Sure as hell beats missing the playoffs all together. So what if we get a pick 3-4 picks lower than what we would've had? We aren't tanking. It's not going to happen.  Pardon me if I have realistic expectations.  :confused:

 

Getting bounced in 5 games isn't playoff experience per se. Also the lack of forward depth, the kids disappearing, Howard being Manny Legace 2.0, there really wasn't much hope even if Z and D were both healthy.


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#26 ShanahanMan

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:00 PM

 

We aren't Cup contenders right now. Signing Niskanen or Boyle wouldn't have changed that at all. They would've helped, but they wouldn't have put us over the top. So yes, I would love to still see us make the playoffs even if we do lose in the 1st round, but give me Pav on two legs...not just one, a healthy Z, and healthy Big E in that series and things might've been a little different. We might not have won but I don't think we would've lost 4-1. Not to mention our kids are getting valuable playoff experience. Sure as hell beats missing the playoffs all together. So what if we get a pick 3-4 picks lower than what we would've had? We aren't tanking. It's not going to happen.  Pardon me if I have realistic expectations.  :confused:

 

I couldn't disagree with that statement more and as long as a significant amount of fans think that way, nothing will change. Let's all look forward to another playoffs where we are embarrassed in the 1st round just so we can say, "24 years baby!" 




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#27 Internet.Unknown

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:03 PM

Oh I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying I (and hopefully others) will go through next season wanting as many losses as possible to get a high pick and influence management changes.

 

When the team takes the ice, I root for them to win. In July I want them to tear the whole damn thing apart and build it from scratch.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:05 PM

 

When the team takes the ice, I root for them to win. In July I want them to tear the whole damn thing apart and build it from scratch.

 

And if we make the playoffs yet get touched in the 1st round (or even finish 9th or 10th), all you'll see is the same status-quo approach from Holland and head into the following season with the same roster, just a year older. 

 

Rinse and repeat. 




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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:18 PM

LOL As someone who was expecting big things this off-season and is HIGHLY disappointed... it's a SHAME to think some of you are so blinded by your hatred for KH that you don't think this team can compete.

 

NOBODY thought the Rangers would come out of the East- not with the Bruins, Penguins, Canadiens, or Red Wings in the playoffs.

 

But they did.  Because they made a good move at the deadline, were healthy, and believed in themselves.

 

 

Do you all think that Nyquist, Sheahan, Jurco, Smith, Tatar, and DeKeyser are ALL going to play WORSE than they did last year??  Let's say Nyquist regresses to a norm of 25-goals... with Zetterberg and Datsyuk back, that should be enough!  If Weiss puts up even just 40 assists, this team is going to be better.  The strides made between years one and two are usually very noticeable (ie. Brendan Smith, anyone?).  And if you think all of the rookies are going to regress, why not have some faith that Kindl improves to his average after an awful season last year?

 

This isn't a bad team.  This team should finish anywhere from 4th-10th in the conference.  You don't initiate a firesale before the season's began if you know you have a fighting shot.



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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:22 PM

LOL As someone who was expecting big things this off-season and is HIGHLY disappointed... it's a SHAME to think some of you are so blinded by your hatred for KH that you don't think this team can compete.
 
NOBODY thought the Rangers would come out of the East- not with the Bruins, Penguins, Canadiens, or Red Wings in the playoffs.
 
But they did.  Because they made a good move at the deadline, were healthy, and believed in themselves.
 
 
Do you all think that Nyquist, Sheahan, Jurco, Smith, Tatar, and DeKeyser are ALL going to play WORSE than they did last year??  Let's say Nyquist regresses to a norm of 25-goals... with Zetterberg and Datsyuk back, that should be enough!  If Weiss puts up even just 40 assists, this team is going to be better.  The strides made between years one and two are usually very noticeable (ie. Brendan Smith, anyone?).  And if you think all of the rookies are going to regress, why not have some faith that Kindl improves to his average after an awful season last year?
 
This isn't a bad team.  This team should finish anywhere from 4th-10th in the conference.  You don't initiate a firesale before the season's began if you know you have a fighting shot.


But, but, but we're the Red Wings and if we're not going to win the cup we should be last because Connor McDavid.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:27 PM

 

I'm officially calling for a 2015 TANK job. I think we can all agree, there is absolutely NOTHING to amp us up and get excited about in the upcoming season. Literally, NOTHING. 
 
Instead of praying for another 8th seed finishing of limping into the playoffs and getting decimated in the 1st round, I would much rather hope for an absolute tank and hopefully get a top 3 draft pick. Not only will this give us all something to get excited for, but it might also spark some much needed change in the organization's management. 
 
Who's with me?  #Tankit2014

You sir, are a grade A clown. Tank the season?? GTFO and go root for the Canucks or Flyers or someone.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:29 PM

You sir, are a grade A clown. Tank the season?? GTFO and go root for the Canucks or Flyers or someone.

 

^ This. 

 

We're not the Oilers, in fact we have something that's rare in this league and elsewhere anymore. Integrity. (and Datsyuk)


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:35 PM

You sir, are a grade A clown. Tank the season?? GTFO and go root for the Canucks or Flyers or someone.


How about you go buy Quincey and Cleary jerseys? Prove you're a true fan.

Edited by ShanahanMan, 02 July 2014 - 12:36 PM.



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#34 Shaman

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:37 PM

 

^ This. 

 

We're not the Oilers, in fact we have something that's rare in this league and elsewhere anymore. Integrity. (and Datsyuk)

 

The Oilers have a better core of forwards than the Wings, so they should be able to compete, right?


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:38 PM

 

I'm officially calling for a 2015 TANK job. I think we can all agree, there is absolutely NOTHING to amp us up and get excited about in the upcoming season. Literally, NOTHING. 
 
Instead of praying for another 8th seed finishing of limping into the playoffs and getting decimated in the 1st round, I would much rather hope for an absolute tank and hopefully get a top 3 draft pick. Not only will this give us all something to get excited for, but it might also spark some much needed change in the organization's management. 
 
Who's with me?  #Tankit2014

 

 

Well, I've read some ridiculous hyberbole on here lately, but this one takes the biscuit.

 

Last year, with no Datsyuk, no Zetterberg and an out of form Howard we still made the playoffs.  What do you think we could achieve with our 2 star players and our goalie back to 2013 form?

 

As for nothing to be excited about?  Pavel Datsyuk excites me every time he steps onto the ice.  Nyquist.  Jurco.  Tatar.  Hanks beard excites me.  MANTHA.

 

Go ask Oilers fans how Operation Tank is working for them, and how much they are looking forward to another season of it.


Edited by Nev, 02 July 2014 - 12:39 PM.

"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:40 PM

 
^ This. 
 
We're not the Oilers, in fact we have something that's rare in this league and elsewhere anymore. Integrity. (and Datsyuk)


Give me a break. The only reason we even squeezed into the playoffs is because we were in a weak eastern conference. If we had been in the west, we would have been right down there with the Oilers (who are a much funner team to watch).


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#37 Nev

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:40 PM

Oh, and as for who's with you - when Fat Guy In A Maltby Jersey is the only poster who agrees with you, then you are badly, badly in the wrong.


"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:40 PM

Why the hell wouldn't you want to make the playoffs? This isn't pre-lockout days where unless you had the hottest goalie in the history of the game did you even have a hope of causing an upset. 

 

LA were the number 6 seed in the west this year. 2 years before that they were the number 8 seed. The Devils were the 6 seed that year vs the kings. In 09-10 the Flyers were the number 7 seed in the East and they made the Finals. 

 

The point I'm making is, if you're roster is good enough to make the playoffs right now, why blow it up, because as we've seen, anything can happen. If you looked at the Rangers roster before the season began, and even after they traded for St Louis, would you still have picked them to beat Pittsburgh? 

 

This team is good enough to make the playoffs. And if anyone thinks that making the playoffs even if only to play 5 games is less valuable for the young kids experience than missing them completely, then you want your head testing. 

 

Last season, there were a few mistakes early that were costing us, and then the injury bug hit like Ive never seen. You cannot lose key players for extended periods like that an expect to keep competing, yet somehow we did. All of that experience is frankly, invaluable, such that when Pavel and hank come back healthy they'll be able to lead the way, and our kids last year will be able to provide depth and secondary scoring that every team needs to win. 

 

There will be ups and downs, but this team is trending up. The fact that we didn't sign a big name free agent on 1 day of the year doesn't mean otherwise.  


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:41 PM

Give me a break. The only reason we even squeezed into the playoffs is because we were in a weak eastern conference. If we had been in the west, we would have been right down there with the Oilers (who are a much funner team to watch).


Funner is not a word. And I'll take making the playoffs over being more fun to watch any day.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 12:42 PM

Why the hell wouldn't you want to make the playoffs? This isn't pre-lockout days where unless you had the hottest goalie in the history of the game did you even have a hope of causing an upset. 

 

LA were the number 6 seed in the west this year. 2 years before that they were the number 8 seed. The Devils were the 6 seed that year vs the kings. In 09-10 the Flyers were the number 7 seed in the East and they made the Finals. 

 

The point I'm making is, if you're roster is good enough to make the playoffs right now, why blow it up, because as we've seen, anything can happen. If you looked at the Rangers roster before the season began, and even after they traded for St Louis, would you still have picked them to beat Pittsburgh? 

 

This team is good enough to make the playoffs. And if anyone thinks that making the playoffs even if only to play 5 games is less valuable for the young kids experience than missing them completely, then you want your head testing. 

 

Last season, there were a few mistakes early that were costing us, and then the injury bug hit like Ive never seen. You cannot lose key players for extended periods like that an expect to keep competing, yet somehow we did. All of that experience is frankly, invaluable, such that when Pavel and hank come back healthy they'll be able to lead the way, and our kids last year will be able to provide depth and secondary scoring that every team needs to win. 

 

There will be ups and downs, but this team is trending up. The fact that we didn't sign a big name free agent on 1 day of the year doesn't mean otherwise.  

 

This is bunk. Detroit is nothing like LA. LA is built to grind teams out over 7 games. Detroit is built to keep the DMC in business the next few years.


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