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#81 reverb80

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:20 PM

 

I believe that we should promote from within.  Everyone wants to give the kids a shot. We have legitimate defensemen in the system that could play in the NHL.  If we don't give them a chance, then someone else will.  The "big" move may very well be promoting the kids, which is a change over what we have seen in the past.  Everyone wants to see Holland play the kids and stop keeping them in the farm system to over-ripen.  Yet, when he puts the kids in a position to take a spot, people get all pissy at Holland.  I suppose its a no win situation.

 

^I agree with this point of view mostly. I am fine with the over-ripening strategy for the most part but, sometimes there is an exception to the rules. I am most certainly in the camp that want to see us make the playoffs. Yes, even if we fall in the 1st round. Tanking is at best a gamble with low odds of success and also just is an unclassy thing to do.

 

If Weiss can turn it around (yes an IF), Z's back is finally healed (yes Another IF, but I think this one is a better bet), and we move Kindl (my choice) or Lashoff  to make some room  for Ouellet or Marchenko. Then we could very well again be one of the darkhorse teams heading into the playoffs next year. It'd be nice if Smith either gets moved too or learns how to think for himself :-/ but, I'd put much lower odds of either of those things happening then the above..

 

Yes, I wish we could of landed that 1 year deal for Ehrhoff and cut Q out, but we didn't. s*** Happens, deal with it instead of whinning about it like some Penguins or OSU fan..



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:21 PM

Young guys had to step up HUGE at the end of last year. Nyquist isn't going to score every game when teams start keying in on him because Hank & Pavs are out with injury. The kids are gamers. They will infuse drive in the rest of the team and we should be much better with them all starting on the same page together at camp.
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#83 matt198913

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

I think there is plenty to be excited
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#84 Z Winged Dangler

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:40 PM

Don't re-sign Alfie, don't re-sign Cleary, bring up Mantha, keep Jurco up and find a way to insert Athaniesou into the line up to play on a line with Helm, and label this guy excited.  July 1st made me want to hurl all over Kenny especially after signing Q again, but there's a lot to be excited about in the future for Wings fans.  Not necessarily next season, but the future still looks bright.  And we actually have a better opening night lineup than last season as of now, so there's a plus.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 06:43 PM

I think Mantha should be given every opportunity to make this team in the top 6. He needs looks early on. Jurco should start the season where he ended it - kid line. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 07:35 PM

I think Mantha should be given every opportunity to make this team in the top 6. He needs looks early on. Jurco should start the season where he ended it - kid line. 

 

Mantha needs to learn how to play in the pros first. It would be great if he comes into camp and preseason and sets the world on fire. But he is going from playing against teenagers younger than him to playing against men. He will need to adjust to that. 



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:13 PM

Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings?  Damn right I would.

 

"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything.  The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second. 

 

Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams.  Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule.  Talent doesn't always translate into wins.  There is much more to it than that.

 

No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time. 



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings?  Damn right I would.
 
"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything.  The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second. 
 
Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams.  Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule.  Talent doesn't always translate into wins.  There is much more to it than that.
 
No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time. 


Pretty much, however that's too down to earth for this forum so: WRONG, HOLLAND SUCKS

#89 Euro_Twins

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:24 AM

Would I rather be the Red Wings and make the playoffs every year, but not win the Cup every single year or be Edmonton, Buffalo, NYI, Florida, Carolina, Toronto, etc. who have "tanked it" for years now and are still no closer to a Stanley Cup than the Red Wings?  Damn right I would.
 
"Tanking it" is no guarantee of anything.  The Wings already re-tooled "on the fly" once and made it back to win one cup and almost a second. 
 
Edmonton, Carolina, Tampa, amongst other teams, all had Stanley Cups on their resume and quickly became non playoff teams.  Chicago and LA are more the exception than the rule.  Talent doesn't always translate into wins.  There is much more to it than that.
 
No team, in any sport, competes for a championship every single year for decades at a time. 


We have 23 straight playoffs appearances and 4 cups in that time.

The Bruins made the playoffs 29 straight times and won 2 cups in that time

Blackhawks had 28 straight playoffs appearances and 0 cups in that time

The blues 25 straight. 0 cups

Canadiens 24 straight. 8 cups

Every other one is below us in playoffs streaks. So aside from Montreal and their unreal streak I would say our playoff streak and cup wins in that time is right up there and better than anyone but Montreal. So Ya we've stumbled a bit recently but we've done well for ourselves.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 07:32 AM

We have 23 straight playoffs appearances and 4 cups in that time.

The Bruins made the playoffs 29 straight times and won 2 cups in that time

Blackhawks had 28 straight playoffs appearances and 0 cups in that time

The blues 25 straight. 0 cups

Canadiens 24 straight. 8 cups

Every other one is below us in playoffs streaks. So aside from Montreal and their unreal streak I would say our playoff streak and cup wins in that time is right up there and better than anyone but Montreal. So Ya we've stumbled a bit recently but we've done well for ourselves.


Can u even see ur keyboard through those rose colored spectacles?

#91 Euro_Twins

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:11 AM

Can u even see ur keyboard through those rose colored spectacles?


Lol. I want Holland gone, but there is no denying the success this team has had with him

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 08:44 AM

Lol. I want Holland gone, but there is no denying the success this team has had with him


100% his success is bc of Devellano! I refuse to be at all rational or give Holland any credit.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:47 PM

100% his success is bc of Devellano! I refuse to be at all rational or give Holland any credit.

 

Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:55 PM

 
Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.


I think Cross, Calder, and Legwand were worse.


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 01:04 PM

I think Cross, Calder, and Legwand were worse.

 

You think Jarnkrok is already more valuable than Adam Oates? Not sure if serious.



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Posted 06 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

 
You think Jarnkrok is already more valuable than Adam Oates? Not sure if serious.




No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 01:28 PM

No you're right, Oates was the probably the all time worst.

I was only 3 at the time, so the other ones just pissed me off more :P.

 

The Oates trade was definitely worse. 

 

 

 

Devellano pulled off the craptastic Adam Oates trade. I haven't forgotten.

 

Don't forget Adam Graves, Klima and Sharples for Jimmy Carson. 

 

The Wings don't have a great track record when it comes to trading guys named Adam. 



#98 Epheisey

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 05:47 PM

A real fan never encourages tanking. Your plan is to having the team tank, so you can check out, not follow the team for a 5-10 year period, and then when they have rebuilt, you can casually come walking back in and claim you predicted this, and this is YOUR team, and you're the biggest Wings fan of all time.

 

I call BS. Go follow the NBA if you want to be a fan of a team that Tanks. In the NHL, people respect hard work and history.



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 05:50 PM

A real fan never encourages tanking. Your plan is to having the team tank, so you can check out, not follow the team for a 5-10 year period, and then when they have rebuilt, you can casually come walking back in and claim you predicted this, and this is YOUR team, and you're the biggest Wings fan of all time.
 
I call BS. Go follow the NBA if you want to be a fan of a team that Tanks. In the NHL, people respect hard work and history.


I'm not really advocating tanking, but it worked pretty well for Pittsburgh and Chicago. The structure of the league just lends better to a compete rebuild than getting stuck in mediocrity. The Calgary Flames are the perfect example.
 
 
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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:08 PM

I'm not really advocating tanking, but it worked pretty well for Pittsburgh and Chicago. The structure of the league just lends better to a compete rebuild than getting stuck in mediocrity. The Calgary Flames are the perfect example.


It also worked terribly for Edmonton and Columbus. Tanking is a last resort that too many ppl are overly eager to see. It's the big fish/name mentality. Either get a big name through trade draft or FA or they will be unhappy. Wings r smarter than that.





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