Datsyuk27 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Hello Redwings Fans, as I am as sad about the disastrous free agent period, I wanted to ask what you think about the upcoming contract talks for Holland. As I read a few weeks ago in an article about Babcocks contract talks, he answered that first Holland must re-sign. So, could this failure at this free agent period influence this? With whom does he negotiate, the Illitches? And, further hopeful thinking, what are the chances bringing Yzerman back? Such thing must probably be planned in advance, or has there been a case when a GM violated his contract? (Sorry for the punctuation lapse, although Holland resigning would be favorable) Edited July 4, 2014 by Datsyuk27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 Consider what you just wrote. Resign and re-sign mean very different things. If you meant resign, then Babcock will only re-sign if Holland is fired. If you meant re-sign, it means Babcock will only re-sign if Holland returns. Punctuation is important. 3 Hockeymom1960, themcityblues and uk_redwing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LAWings 160 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 We blew it with Yzerman, turns out he's becoming a pretty good GM. Look at the wheeling and dealing he's done this past week, very impressive. Although I think the St Louis fiasco could have been avoided, he managed to get a good deal out of it. I doubt he will come back to Detroit with the 4 year contract he has with Tampa. Jim Nill in 2 seasons has turned Dallas around. Meanwhile, Babs and Kenny are still looking for that mythical free agent tree, unable to make a trade while droning on about how these are different times as every serious cup contender made some kind of move to better their team. Any wonder no one wants to come to Detroit? 2 aflac9262 and dirtydangles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 Needs: New GM New Coach - Blashill Fancy New Arena (although the Joe rules) I think that is the way to go. Its time to stop looking to the past to justify the present. Our past success doesn't mean as much the further and further we get from it. We are 6 years removed from our last cup and only moving away from the finals every year. I don't want to be the guy who is still bragging to his friends years from now that "we haven't won the cup in 15 years but you have to admit our playoff streak is pretty ******* amazing." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) We blew it with Yzerman, turns out he's becoming a pretty good GM. Look at the wheeling and dealing he's done this past week, very impressive. Although I think the St Louis fiasco could have been avoided, he managed to get a good deal out of it. I doubt he will come back to Detroit with the 4 year contract he has with Tampa. Jim Nill in 2 seasons has turned Dallas around. Meanwhile, Babs and Kenny are still looking for that mythical free agent tree, unable to make a trade while droning on about how these are different times as every serious cup contender made some kind of move to better their team. Any wonder no one wants to come to Detroit? And both teams saw first round exits last year, same as us. In fact, Tampa Bay made the playoffs in Yzerman's first season as GM, and then missed the playoffs the next two seasons. Yea, we really "blew it with Yzerman". If anything Yzerman is a good GM, but I wouldn't say he was a guy we missed on. Holland and Yzerman are probably close to being the same than we think. The point is that neither of these teams with the moves they made have resulted in success beyond making the playoffs like us. Edited July 3, 2014 by Nightfall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbowhistle86 155 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 Holland is the no-brainer, not the contract. 2 evilmrt and joshy207 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 I still want to see what Babcock can do when given a team not made up of misfit toys...or factory reject dildos. I do think there's something to be said for coaches losing effectiveness over time, but I think Babcock's done a good job of overachieving given the lousy, unbalanced teams he's been given and the injuries piling up on top of that. I don't think it's time to give up on him. Holland should be "promoted" out of the GM spot. Keep him in the organization if you can because a) he's done well with drafting and b) I think he could still be very effective on another team, and it'd be great to avoid having to compete against. I don't doubt the guy's competency as a GM so much as I doubt his ability to be emotionally distant enough here to do the job well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 I would be surprised if Holland is given an extension. No matter who you are, you don't get to sit on your hands for 5 years, do nothing and expect to keep your job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 Original 6 franchise, formerly known as the destination for UFAs and now the reality...so yeah this is really a no brainer. He has an eye for talent so let him move up become the VP and guide the new GM. We really blew it with Stevie and Jim. As for Babcock easiest decision ever, the guy will have half the league looking for him and he has the chance to coach Crosby and Malkin during their prime years, sadly for us this is also a no-brainer. Guy will be gone as soon as his contract is up and I don't blame him one bit, Holland hasn't given him the tools to succeed. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulwoodsfan 52 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 It's easy to like (or hate) the moves a GM makes in July. I will reserve judgment on whether Yzerman or Nill is better than Holland until we see how their teams do in the coming season(s). At this point neither looks to be close to a Stanley Cup. Neither do we, but at least under Holland we have won Cups, and I don't think even the Holland haters would argue that we have failed to draft and develop good prospects in the past five years. I am not convinced that Spezza and Hemsky are going to magically become playoff points producers for Dallas. Yzerman's moves this week look OK on paper but again, until he achieves some tangible results better than a first-round loss and a few more regular-season points than Detroit, I think it's early to be saying he would be a better GM than the one we have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LidstromIsASuperhero 29 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 I would have to agree that perhaps it would be time to 'promote' holland out of the position at this point... had we not lost Nill and Yzerman. But isn't Develanno still president, old as hell? And doesn't Ken Holland prefer to be a GM? Let's be real, Holland does some dumb stuff, like that roster logjam to start last season... except we didn't lose anyone on waivers and wound up with impressive forward depth throughout the season, so I think he's doing pretty well. I wish he'd make a trade though every once Iin awhile.I think the main reason we can't get defenseman anymore is because Lidstrom is gone and 'top pairing' defenseman can't just come here, relax, and pad their stats like they used to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loutswings 47 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 I like Babs but I really think it's just time to refresh things up. I like to see what Blashill brings to the table and Kenny needs to be moved out of the GM spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonyn66 89 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 I'd like Babcock to stay and Holland to leave Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Secret 304 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 Needs: New GM New Coach - Blashill Fancy New Arena (although the Joe rules) New fans - Lets go with Torontos fans here New rosey red coloured goggles New drugs New things to ***** and complain about New reason to jump to conclusions New team scapegoat New thing to throw on the ice - Dirty s***filled diapers for sure ...why stop there? 1 marcaractac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 Fire holland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 I would have to agree that perhaps it would be time to 'promote' holland out of the position at this point... had we not lost Nill and Yzerman. But isn't Develanno still president, old as hell? And doesn't Ken Holland prefer to be a GM? Let's be real, Holland does some dumb stuff, like that roster logjam to start last season... except we didn't lose anyone on waivers and wound up with impressive forward depth throughout the season, so I think he's doing pretty well. I wish he'd make a trade though every once Iin awhile.I think the main reason we can't get defenseman anymore is because Lidstrom is gone and 'top pairing' defenseman can't just come here, relax, and pad their stats like they used to. So Holland constructing a team out of old injury prone forwards and replacing them when injured with youth was good GMing? He fixed his own mistake with players that initially would have been the solution. Lets be real - Holland fixed a problem that he made himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martinezsvsu 240 Report post Posted July 3, 2014 nill and stevie have built good teams on the rise, they should probably just stay where they are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheelchairwing 11 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 I bet Holland will get a three year extension. So will Babcock. If we start being horrible (i.e. not making playoffs for consecutive years, only winning 30 games, etc.) then a change may come. I could be wrong. Oh well. Sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 Babs should stay... Kenny on the other side... he's way more active for Grand Rapids Roster than Red Wings. Maybe he should be a GR GM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 Don't worry Kenny will get a raise and 5 years and NTC for s***s and giggles. Then his first move will be to resign babs with a NMC then sign cleary again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) Babs should stay... Kenny on the other side... he's way more active for Grand Rapids Roster than Red Wings. Maybe he should be a GR GM In terms of Babcock I honestly believe this has already been decided. There is a reason why he didn't reup yet and with Pittsburgh only offering a 1 year job facts are pointing into a certain direction. If Holland doesn't move up he will ruin whatever of his legacy is left Edited July 4, 2014 by frankgrimes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
