krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 It's been very clear for quite some time now that we are "retooling". We're definitely not going to rebuild and dump our three captains, nor are we going to trade away all of our promising prospects for a quick fix. I'm more than okay with the retooling that is in progress. Our team will be stronger because of it, knowing that this team does not accept losing (tanking). 1 Son of a Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) (Not saying we don't need a solid 2C. We just need, and have needed, That Top-Four Defenseman who shoots right, who can move the puck, who can drive our attack, who can generate offense, who can run an effective power play.) Edited July 9, 2014 by Dabura Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Dabura, how many times does it need to be said that Green could very well be a rental?... Why would you give up any promising assets for a guy that could bolt after this season? No way, any of our top prospects should be involved in a trade to get Green. 2 Shinzaki and LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,961 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 I agree Son of a Wing... Nobody wants our bottoms 6'ers for high end players in a rebuild, that is the only reason trading Datsyuk and or Zetterberg was brought up, IF Holland decided to go for a total rebuild, the only was we could trade for #1 picks or high end younger players would be to dump salary and all stars. I am not for this, I said it when I mentioned it before, I would rather win WITH Datsyuk, but even with our retooling, unless we can get some UFA luck next summer, we may not win another Cup with Pav. But, said unnamed user just reads "Trade Pav, Trade Z..." and resorts to bashing and attacking. No big deal, I've been bashed through the years...I can take it. Anyhow retooling is fine with me...if Green comes in, does what we need him to do, then re-signs, then losing Ferraro and a pick (if that is the deal, we don't even know yet) wouldn't hurt too much. And having Green here and re-signing could very well show some UFA's out there that Holland is serious about getting back to the top and maybe our UFA luck will change...I am hoping, because I am tired of being snubbed for whatever reason. Still makes me mad about #kfq though. Morris is out there, waiting, RH'd and better than #kfq and would have cost the same if not less...even if he cost a bit more, he is more of what we need. But if Holland is able to land Green for a good return, I can move a bit more towards the forgiveness isle... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 He's a rental with some injury issues..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 But...but the streak man....the streak! To me "the streak" is a lot like kissing your sister. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Ummm... okay...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Ummm... okay...? I take it you've not heard that saying before? You should google it rather than have me try to explain idioms on a hockey forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 But...but the streak man....the streak! 1 Jesusberg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) To me "the streak" is a lot like kissing your sister. Agreed. Real Wings fans would gladly give up "the streak" to be actual contenders in a couple years. Edited July 9, 2014 by Datsyukian-Deke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Son of a Wing 1,644 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Agreed. Real Wings fans would gladly give up "the streak" to be actual contenders in a couple years. I love when people start differentiating between us real and us fake fans... I'd never be able to tell us apart.... 2 PumpkinEscobar and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) To me "the streak" is a lot like kissing your sister. You couldn't have gone with, "is a lot like taking your cousin to prom" instead? EDIT: If the Red Wings' starter offer actually does involve Ferraro, then I'm optimistic the two could meet somewhere around Andersson, Frk + 2nd. I'd be really happy with that, but I fear that Frk could be "upgraded" to Pulkkinen. Regardless, bringing in a top 4 guy who's going to quarterback the PP without giving up Mantha, Nyquist, Jurco or Tatar would be a huge win in my eyes. Edited July 9, 2014 by Jesusberg 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingedWheel91 271 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Don't know if I missed a link here but why does anyone with a pulse believe Landon Ferraro and a "pick" is going to get us Mike Green? That wouldn't even get us Red Green. Did you miss the Legwand trade? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Don't know if I missed a link here but why does anyone with a pulse believe Landon Ferraro and a "pick" is going to get us Mike Green? That wouldn't even get us Red Green. Did you miss the Legwand trade? As Kip mentioned, it's part of negotiating. They likely ask for Mantha, Detroit replies with Ferraro. And for the record, I'd take Red Green for comedic relief on the 4th line. The Legwand trade was made out of desperation. Poile had Holland over a barrel there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Thanks a lot dude. I've just spent the last 30 minutes reading about my favorite WWE matches on Wikipedia, such is my devotion to the greatest league in all of professional sports lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Thanks a lot dude. I've just spent the last 30 minutes reading about my favorite WWE matches on Wikipedia, such is my devotion to the greatest league in all of professional sports lol. No, my post was a veiled attempt to suggest that we should sign Lesnar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 I guess Lebron has narrowed his list down to 3 teams...the Heat, the Cavs...and the Red Wings. He has top four defenseman written all over him. 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 No, my post was a veiled attempt to suggest that we should sign Lesnar. Doesn't matter. I see wrestlers and I go into a tailspin. I'm currently watching this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 At this point the thought of Holland out there trying to swing trade deals makes me queasy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 As Kip mentioned, it's part of negotiating. They likely ask for Mantha, Detroit replies with Ferraro. And for the record, I'd take Red Green for comedic relief on the 4th line. The Legwand trade was made out of desperation. Poile had Holland over a barrel there. But then where does Cleary fit in if he re-signs? 1 Jesusberg reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 But then where does Cleary fit in if he re-signs? Ba-Dum Tss! 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinzaki 72 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Cleary fits in Grand Rapids 2 ogreslayer and redwings15 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 Agreed. Real Wings fans would gladly give up "the streak" to be actual contenders in a couple years. ownership won't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 As far as picks go, I could see Holland offering a conditional 4th round pick that would turn into a 2nd round pick if Green re-signs with us. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,524 Report post Posted July 9, 2014 What did Garrison go for? I'd start with a package that was just a little better than that and work my way up. 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites