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#41 krsmith17

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

I'd be ok with giving up Backman or Jensen and Ferraro and a 3rd for a year of Green. Possibly resign him if he really impresses.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

 

A decent prospect or two and a 2nd or 3rd round pick will likely get this done if two prospects and a first got Iginla as a rental.  Pulkkinen (or Backman) and either A) a 2nd round pick, or B) a 3rd plus Callahan or Ferraro, would get this deal done. 

 

Those would be fair. I could also see Pulkkinen + Jensen + 2nd/3rd.

 

I just wouldn't be that surprised to see Tatar traded either.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:11 PM

I'd be ok with giving up Backman or Jensen and Ferraro and a 3rd for a year of Green. Possibly resign him if he really impresses.


Well he would have to waive his NTC to come here so if we did make the trade he would, at least on some level, want to be a wing. I think it would be very likely he would re-sign with us after one year. Detroit may not be the top destination for UFA's any more but we def don't have problems keeping guys here once they play here.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:13 PM

Hell, sweeten the pot and give them Glendening or Andersson for the trouble and you might bring the price down a little more. 

 

Fact is, they'd be helping us out by trading us Green.  But we'll be helping them too.  He's expensive, his cost/benefit ratio is probably not better than their other top four defensemen, and they need forwards that they don't have money for.  If they can get a decent prospect or two and a pick OR a low end (cheap) roster player and a decent prospect, they'll be making out.  If they expect to get an up and coming roster player (Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco) or a top end prospect (Mantha, Sproul, Ouellet) they'ref****** nuts. 


 

Those would be fair. I could also see Pulkkinen + Jensen + 2nd/3rd.

 

I just wouldn't be that surprised to see Tatar traded either.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded either.  But if he was traded for Mike Green on an expiring contract then Ken Holland should be drawn, quartered, burned, buried, exhumed, drawn, quartered, and burned again for being af****** toolbox. 


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:17 PM

i dont give a f*** what kind of points he can put up when he cant play defense. 

 

we have enough guys that play too much defense already, we need someone to get the puck out, and what difference does it make that he isn't great defensively if he is rarely in his own end anyway? Rafalski was terrible defensively, yet we all loved him, and we need another guy like that. Green is a notch above rafalski IMO



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:27 PM

No way Pulk is involved. Give up the ONLY heavy shooting righty in the system for Mike Green???


"I think a tough team, a team that sticks together, is a lot better than leaving the onus on one guy to take care of business." - Brendan Shanahan

 

It still would be nice to have that one guy.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:42 PM

No way Pulk is involved. Give up the ONLY heavy shooting righty in the system for Mike Green???

 

Then who? No team is going to accept any combination of our bottom-tier (Kindl, Andersson, Glendening, Ferraro, Callahan, Jensen) no matter how many of them people want to throw in.


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:46 PM

 

Then who? No team is going to accept any combination of our bottom-tier (Kindl, Andersson, Glendening, Ferraro, Callahan, Jensen) no matter how many of them people want to throw in.

 

cleary... if only we still had emdog.. lol seriously though, I would be ok with trading tatar, it would be fair and make both teams better



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:48 PM

I am going to say it again. I would much rather include Tatar over Pulkkinen in any trade. Tatar has much more value in a trade right now and I think Pulkkinen, if he reaches his potential, would have more value to us in the future.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:50 PM

Kindl, Lashoff, and Andersson should get it done. Other teams love our spare parts. We're the freakin red wings after all.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:54 PM

 

cleary... if only we still had emdog.. lol seriously though, I would be ok with trading tatar, it would be fair and make both teams better

 

You'd move Tatar for a rental player who'll give you less than 50 pts.?  Would you have moved him for Legwand last year?  At least that rental gives your over 50 pts. 

 

How is moving a guy who scored 19 goals and 39 pts. as a rookie for a rental with injury problems a fair value? 


I am going to say it again. I would much rather include Tatar over Pulkkinen in any trade. Tatar has much more value in a trade right now and I think Pulkkinen, if he reaches his potential, would have more value to us in the future.

 

That's fine, but given that Tatar has "more value" don't you think you should ask for something worth that value? 

 

As I said before, if Iginla went for a 1st and two guys who never played regularly in the NHL, what do you think a guy who just had a better rookie season that Datsyuk would bring in return?  If your best answer is Mike Green you have incredibly low standards. 

 

You don't have to keep Tatar, but don't give thef****** guy away for a 2nd pairing d-man with injury problems. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 08 July 2014 - 04:58 PM

 

You'd move Tatar for a rental player who'll give you less than 50 pts.?  Would you have moved him for Legwand last year?  At least that rental gives your over 50 pts. 

 

How is moving a guy who scored 19 goals and 39 pts. as a rookie for a rental with injury problems a fair value? 


 

That's fine, but given that Tatar has "more value" don't you think you should ask for something worth that value? 

 

As I said before, if Iginla went for a 1st and two guys who never played regularly in the NHL, what do you think a guy who just had a better rookie season that Datsyuk would bring in return?  If your best answer is Mike Green you have incredibly low standards. 

 

You don't have to keep Tatar, but don't give thef****** guy away for a 2nd pairing d-man with injury problems. 

 

a 56 point season followed by two 70+ point seasons, one which he scored 31 goals, and yes he has had some injury issues since, but from everything i've seen/read he is healthy now and probably wants to prove he is still elite. yes I would trade tatar, first off as you mentioned green will get you MORE points as a rh DEFENSEMAN than Tatar will as a forward. He IS what we need on the back end, and if thatis what it will take, then so be it. You cant expect to trade 4th liners for a top 2 dman. Sorry but that is ridiculous, and Green is worth the gamble.



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:00 PM

How about Helm and Kindl straight up?  Sign Morris, have two RH d-men, waive Lashoff, #kfq is your 7th guy...

 

 

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:00 PM

 
a 56 point season followed by two 70+ point seasons, one which he scored 31 goals, and yes he has had some injury issues since, but from everything i've seen/read he is healthy now and probably wants to prove he is still elite. yes I would trade tatar, first off as you mentioned green will get you MORE points as a rh DEFENSEMAN than Tatar will as a forward. He IS what we need on the back end, and if thatis what it will take, then so be it. You cant expect to trade 4th liners for a top 2 dman. Sorry but that is ridiculous, and Green is worth the gamble.


Green is much more of a gamble than Tatar at this point. Is rather not move Tats and multiple other pieces for Green.

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:06 PM

also iginla was much older, and no longer in his prime... so that is not a good comparison at all, also a forward no dman. try comparing apples to apples, instead of apples to car parts


This team needs a shake up, it has become to complacent. Too many guys think they are "untouchable" and have been lackluster, for the most part. this is exactly the type of move we need to make, we can replace Tatars points, we have enough top 6 potential in GR that one or two guys easily could replicate what we lose in tatar, I love Tatar, but I like Nyquist more.



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:06 PM

Relax Kip, if you go back and re-read everything I've said about Green, I've said several times that I wouldn't part with any of our top players or prospects, including Tatar. There is no way Green on an expiring contract is worth that. I just stated to the people that would be offering up Pulkkinen, I would think twice about trading him away...



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:11 PM

Relax Kip, if you go back and re-read everything I've said about Green, I've said several times that I wouldn't part with any of our top players or prospects, including Tatar. There is no way Green on an expiring contract is worth that. I just stated to the people that would be offering up Pulkkinen, I would think twice about trading him away...

 

I think he was talking to me. I was the one saying I would be willing to move Tatar for Green


maybe not, he did quote you lol



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:17 PM

Yeah, I said I would rather include Tatar over Pulkkinen in "any" trade and I guess he took it as I would include Tatar in a trade for Green, which I wouldn't by the way, unless we already worked out an extension and it was significantly lower than his current $6+ million...



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:26 PM

fair point on our defense not knowing how to play defense, green would look at lot better if we didnt have quincey and kindl and 2 shutdown guys



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 05:39 PM

ugh mike green SUCKS

 

Hes injury prone and can't play a lick of defence for his life. Hes better than Kindl but for the cost of 6M and a Holland style trade it is just not worth it in the least. 

 

WAS has too many defenceman thats why green is on the market. They won't want Kindl or any of our other 5 fringe-NHL defenceman in return, they are going to go after our forward prospects.

 

Already frustrated at the fact that this will probably happen:

 

Tatar + 1st + Pulkinnen 

 

But knowing Holland I'm sure he could pull off something worse

 

 

Regarding his offence:

 

Whens the last time a player came to Detroit having previously put up solid offensive numbers and then continued that production? Hossa comes to mind, but before that? nobody.


Edited by WingsallTheway, 08 July 2014 - 05:43 PM.

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